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641  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Tea Party explained: a religious movement on: July 17, 2014, 04:48:18 PM
This well written op-ed completely nails what liberals have been saying about the "grassroots" TP movement from the beginning.  It isn't political fervor; it's ham-fisted religious fundamentalist radicalism.




The Tea Party Isn’t a Political Movement, It’s a Religious One
Obama is the Antichrist, Republicans are heretics, and compromise is unholy. Politics can’t explain how the right acts.
Jack Schwartz
July 13, 2014


America has long been the incubator of many spiritual creeds going back to the Great Awakening and even earlier. Only one of them, Mormonism, has taken root and flourished as a true religion sprung from our own native ground. Today, however, we have a new faith growing from this nation’s soil: the Tea Party. Despite its secular trappings and “taxed enough already” motto, it is a religious movement, one grounded in the traditions of American spiritual revival. This religiosity explains the Tea Party’s political zealotry.

The mark of a national political party in a democracy is its pluralistic quality, i.e. the ability to be inclusive enough to appeal to the broadest number of voters who may have differing interests on a variety of issues. While it may stand for certain basic principles, a party is often flexible in applying them, as are its representatives in fulfilling them. Despite the heated rhetoric of elections and the bombast of elected representatives, they generally seek consensus with the minority in order to achieve their legislative goals.

But when religion is thrown into the mix, all that is lost. Religion here doesn’t mean theology but a distinct belief system which, in totality, provides basic answers regarding how to live one’s life, how society should function, how to deal with social and political issues, what is right and wrong, who should lead us, and who should not. It does so in ways that fulfill deep-seated emotional needs that, at their profoundest level, are devotional. Given the confusions of a secular world being rapidly transformed by technology, demography, and globalization, this movement has assumed a spiritual aspect whose adepts have undergone a religious experience which, if not in name, then in virtually every other aspect, can be considered a faith.

Seen in this light, the behavior of Tea Party adherents makes sense. Their zeal is not the mercurial enthusiasm of a traditional Republican or Democrat that waxes and wanes with the party’s fortunes, much less the average voter who may not exercise the franchise at every election. These people are true believers who turn out faithfully at the primaries, giving them political clout in great excess to their actual numbers.  Collectively, this can make it appear as if they are preponderant, enabling their tribunes to declare that they represent the will of the American people.

While a traditional political party may have a line that it won’t cross,the Tea Party has a stone-engraved set of principles, all of which are sacrosanct. This is not a political platform to be negotiated but a catechism with only a single answer. It is now a commonplace for Tea Party candidates to vow they won’t sacrifice an iota of their principles. In this light, shutting down the Government rather than bending on legislation becomes a moral imperative. While critics may decry such a tactic as “rule or ruin,” Tea Party brethren celebrate it, rather, as the act of a defiant Samson pulling down the pillars of the temple. For them, this is not demolition but reclamation, cleansing the sanctuary that has been profaned by liberals. They see themselves engaged in nothing less than a project of national salvation. The refusal to compromise is a watchword of their candidates who wear it as a badge of pride. This would seem disastrous in the give-and-take of politics but it is in keeping with sectarian religious doctrine. One doesn’t compromise on an article of faith.

This explains why the Tea Party faithful often appear to be so bellicose. You and I can have a reasonable disagreement about fiscal policy or foreign policy but if I attack your religious beliefs you will become understandably outraged. And if I challenge the credibility of your doctrine you will respond with righteous indignation. To question the validity of Moses parting the Red Sea or the Virgin Birth or Mohammed ascending to heaven on a flying horse is to confront the basis of a believer’s deepest values.

Consequently, on the issues of government, economics, race, and sex, the Tea Party promulgates a doctrine to which the faithful must subscribe. Democrats and independents who oppose their dogma are infidels. Republicans who don’t obey all the tenants are heretics, who are primaried rather than burned at the stake.

Like all revealed religions this one has its own Devil in the form of Barack Obama. This Antichrist in the White House is an illegitimate ruler who must be opposed at every turn, along with his lesser demons, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. They are responsible for everything that has gone wrong with the country in the last six years and indeed, they represent a liberal legacy that has betrayed America’s ideals for the better part of a century. Washington is seen in the same way Protestant fire-breathers once saw Rome: a seat of corruption that has betrayed the pillars of the faith. The only way to save America’s sanctity is to take control of Washington and undermine the federal government while affecting to repair it. Critical to this endeavor is the drumroll of hell-fire sermons from the tub-thumpers of talk radio and Fox News. This national revival tent not only exhorts the faithful but its radio preachers have ultimately become the arbiters of doctrinal legitimacy, determining which candidates are worthy of their anointment and which lack purity.

Having created a picture of Hell, the Tea Party priesthood must furnish the faithful with an image of Paradise. This Eden is not located in space but in time: the Republic in the decades after the Civil War when the plantocracy ruled in the South and plutocrats reigned in the North. Blacks knew their place in Dixie through the beneficence of states’ rights, and the robber barons of the North had a cozy relationship with the government prior to the advent of labor laws, unions, and the income tax. Immigrants were not yet at high tide. It was still a white, male, Christian country and proudly so. When Tea Party stalwarts cry  “Take back America!” we must ask from whom, and to what? They seek to take it back to the Gilded Age, and retrieve it from the lower orders: immigrants, minorities the “takers” of the “47 percent,” and their liberal enablers.

Most critical to any religious movement is a holy text, and the Right has appropriated nothing less than the Constitution to be its Bible. The Tea Party, its acolytes in Congress and its allies on the Supreme Court have allocated to themselves the sole interpretation of the Constitution with the ethos of “Originalism.” Legal minds look to the text to read the thoughts of the Framers as a high priest would study entrails at the Forum. The focus is on text rather than context and authors; the writing rather than the reality in which the words were written. This sort of thinking is a form of literalism that is kindred in spirit to the religious fundamentalism and literal, Biblical truth that rose as bulwarks against modernity.

One thing that Tea Partiers and liberals alike both recognize is that the Constitution forbids the establishment of religion. The prohibition was erected for good reason:  to prevent the religious wars that wracked Europe in the previous century. The Enlightenment was to transcend such sectarian violence inimical to the social order together with the concomitant religious oppression that burdened individual conscience. By investing a political faction with a religious dimension the Tea Party presents a challenge to both religion and democracy.

Jack Schwartz supervised Newsday's book pages and was a longtime editor at several New York dailies.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/13/the-tea-party-isn-t-a-political-movement-it-s-a-religious-one.html
Working to destroy our economy is not economic responsibity.  And that is exactly what the tea party is doing.  Grab your gun and spout hatred of liberals.  (All Americans that do not agree with them.)It is not economic responsibity to let your country  fall into disrepair.  While the tea party refuses to solve any problem unless it makes huge cuts to our children and will spent no money to bring us into the 21 century as they prefer yesterday.  Well Yesterday is gone forever and will not return.
642  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israel: Operation Protective Edge on: July 17, 2014, 04:43:14 PM
I would suggest most people in first world countries have a problem with the concept of collective punishment. I certainly do. Israel has no blame here. They have a right to exist, and be where they are at. The Palestinians choose war over peace.
This.

Gaza had fired over 150+ rockets into Israel for over the course of a month. Israel did something that surprised and disappointed me. They didn't shoot back.

I applaud them for trying to keep peaceful. But I do not like the idea of ignoring a bully. If someone keeps pushing you, you should stand up and push back. Yet Israel sat on their hands.

This conflict should have happen sooner. It could have been avoided, but it wasn't and so it should have happen sooner.
643  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border on: July 17, 2014, 04:24:30 PM
And I highly doubt it crashed, some Asshole with a surface to air missile probably thought it would be funny to shoot down a civilian aircraft. ...

No. Boeing 777 flying at 10,200 metres (35,000 feet) can't be shot down with MANPADS such as Igla or Strela. It requires either sophisticated SAM batteries or air-to-air missiles fired from fighter jets.
Russian fighter jets have been shooting down Ukrainean planes in that region... Maybe the same russian flying dip-shits got confused and shot down a plane from the wrong nation.
644  Other / Politics & Society / Mysterious Siberian Crater Found on: July 17, 2014, 03:38:07 PM
Since i didn't understand what 247crypto posted, i researched on google and here what i found :
A mysterious crater almost the size of a football field discovered in a remote part of Siberia's Yamal peninsula known as the end of the world may have profound implications about the stability of Arctic methane  and catastrophic climate change.

    The striking puncture in the earth is believed to be up to 80 metres wide but its depth is not estimated yet. A scientific team has been sent to investigate the hole and is due to arrive at the scene on Wednesday.

    The cause of its sudden appearance in Yamal - its name means the 'end of the world' in the far north of Siberia - is not yet known, though one scientific claim is that global warming may be to blame.

Russian experts have ruled out speculation that meteorite impact might have caused the crater. The crater was certainly not caused by a meteorite because it has no central crater but instead has a deep hole. Meteorite impacts have far too much energy to leave an open hole. (Note: I studied meteoritics for my first year of graduate school.)  Likewise any other extraterrestrial source would have far too much energy to leave an open hole. The impact site would be filled with ejecta.

It doesn't appear to be a sink hole because the hole is surrounded by a rim of ejected material. Genarally, sink holes don't have elevated rims because they are produced by collapse of surface material into a preexisting covered hole. The ejecta appears to have been produced by an explosion. This crater formed in one of Siberia's largest natural gas producing regions. Permafrost in this area is melting in response to the rapid warming of the Arctic. The most likely cause of this crater is a methane explosion.
    Anna Kurchatova from Sub-Arctic Scientific Research Centre thinks the crater was formed by a water, salt and gas mixture igniting an underground explosion, the result of global warming. She postulates that gas accumulated in ice mixed with sand beneath the surface, and that this was mixed with salt - some 10,000 years ago this area was a sea.

If Dr Kurchatova's explanation is correct, the consequences are profound. It means that There are vertical structures where salt accumulated as methane ices formed in permafrost. Layers of permafrost may have salty vertical zones of weakness in them that will allow sudden release of methane trapped below the permafrost layer as the climate warms. Vast quantities of methane trapped in river deltas in the Arctic ocean on the Siberian shelf may be unstable. This crater appears to be evidence that the methane is not protected by a very slowly melting solid layer of permafrost. Methane bubbles recently observed in the Laptev Sea, reported on by the National Science Foundation, could be the beginning of the release of an enormous amount of subsea methane.
Methane is escaping from shallow subsea sediments on the Siberian platform. This National Science Foundation diagram shows Siberian platform methane bubbles rising to the surface and entering the atmosphere.

The concerns of a methane catastrophe expressed by scientists who have discovered large amounts methane escaping from the Laptev Sea may reinforced by this land based observation of methane instability in Siberian sediments of marine origin. Extraordinarily high methane levels were observed over the Laptev sea in fall 2013.
Very high methane levels were observed over a 30 day period over the Laptev sea, November, 2013.

Harold Hansel who generated this graphic of methane levels over the Laptev sea expressed alarm:

    "I am fighting for the lives of my children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren who's lifespan will extend 30 to 40 years from now. I am also fighting for all children of the world, animals, whales, dolphins, flowers and all living things. They are all in peril and we are the ones that may have a chance of doing something about it now. The threat of what is coming must sink in."

I have been waiting for independent evidence of methane instability in Siberian sediments to validate the concerns that the Siberian platform could produce a rapid release of methane, a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2, that could destabilize the climate. I am afraid that it has just been found.
http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/large-crater-appears-at-the-end-of-the-world/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/16/1314501/-Mysterious-Siberian-Crater-Found-at-End-of-the-World-May-Portend-Methane-Climate-Catastrophe?detail=facebook#
645  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israel: Operation Protective Edge on: July 17, 2014, 03:30:43 PM
Zolace,Starscream,a lot of people think that. That's why its part of the Geneva Conventions. Our own society doesn't legally support it either. I, and generally speaking much of the Israeli army would assert that such responses to violence tend to be counter productive and instead promote further escalations and cycles of violence.
That's the key here. If anyone could come up with a way to end the cycles of violence, a lot of things could be solved.

You mentioned earlier that Israel is main obstacle to peace. I disagree. I do think they are an equal partner in obstructionism, though. I know, and the Israelis know that so long as children are taught to hate Israelis from day 1 at school, there is another generation coming that will hate Jews, and continue fighting over historical wrongs. That path leads to never-ending war. Anything the Israelis do at this point is going to be negated by the next generation of kids growing up with hatred.

Please bear in mind I am well aware that Israel has a vested interested in not allowing peace. Peace doesn't really work for them at this point. But the Palestinians are making it easy for them to make it look all defensive, and not giving the US any reason to force Israel to back down. War works against the Palestinians, and they are being dumb enough to keep going. Such is the stupidity in the area. I guess I would say it depends on what other people are using as definitions of counter productivity. Motive is key .
646  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Pope Francis: 'About 2%' of Catholic clergy paedophiles on: July 17, 2014, 03:13:31 PM
Even though I am an atheist I like this Pope and am really hoping he justifies my affection by rooting out the pedophiles and starting to turn them over to the police.
But, as it is with all of this pope's hippie talk about helping the poor and social justice, I worry about this pope's, uh, health. You just get the sense that if he pushes too far he might get suddenly very ill. Or he may become victim to a terrible "accident."
It will take a lot of effort to take one of the world's most corrupt institutions and turn it into a force for good.
The most corrupt organized religion on the face of this earth and in most cases they get away with and hide their hideous assaults against young men. But let us all pray...Yeah right.
647  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Microsoft tells users to stop using strong passwords everywhere on: July 17, 2014, 02:51:07 PM
There's a lot of sense in this: hackers aren't going to spend much effort hacking passwords into accounts that are of no value e.g. an account on a recruitment site unless they believe you're using the same one as you do for your banking or e-mail accounts, and if not, then they expend a lot of effort for nothing.
I set totally different password criteria for e-mail and banking/ecommerce websites than I do for less sensitive sites, which makes the few high security passwords I have easier to remember.
648  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Don't Mess with Messiahs on: July 17, 2014, 01:57:54 PM
It seems to me, however, that there a whole lot of people who want these children deported. Not just in the south either. However, when it is mostly the south that is being invaded by them, it would stand to reason that many southerners want them deported. People don't always care one way or another until it affect them, do they? Seems to me those folks in California want them gone too.

Why is it that some people just cannot understand that it is ILLEGAL to come into this country if you do not do it the correct and lawful way? Yet some people keep saying, "well, they are here, so let's take care of them".  It is exactly that attitude that makes them keep coming here.
649  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Lunamine legit ? on: July 17, 2014, 01:55:52 PM
They were getting crazy 10gh trials to people traffic, I just want a company give honest rates so at least both can make a profit.  Thats how it should be, not selling miners and hosting just for yourself.  I will def buy 2th soon to try out if Lumine is legit
650  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No president escapes the American sense of humor on: July 17, 2014, 01:44:57 PM
OK, let us become serious for a moment,  I actually do have a sense of humour, as cynical as it might be on occasional.  But what I do not have time for is any so-called humour that includes attacks of individuals on a personal basis.    Although we have some added latitude with regard to politicians and other public figures - particularly relating to SNL type satire - I draw a firm line in the sand with regard to the families of those figures, most particularly the  minor children and spouses that are not directly involved in political policy.   And in that regard,  the role of the First Lady of the US has become increasingly political over the years.  Consequently the issues relating to the FL do become a bit murky.  But what I do have a problem with are jokes that are offensive with regard to race, ethnicity, gender, religion.  Although I will confess that it is often times debatable if a joke actually crosses the line in one of these areas.  And no, I cannot provide simple clear cut definition of what is offensive.  It is a bit like the late Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's definition of Pornography -- "I don't know how to define it, I just recognize it when I see it".   So, is the joke in question offensive or not?  Actually, I find it offensive  primarily for a couple of reasons.  First the choice of the animals used in the punch line of the joke, secondly, and most particularly, the history that is associated with the attacks that have been directed at this president and first lady, attacks that all too often carry with them racial undercurrents - or even  are outwardly racist in nature.  To deny the existence of these racial issues is naïve at best -- dishonest and disingenuous at worst.   
Good post. And I do agree with you. First, children should be entirely off the targeting grid. Note that we are talking CHILDREN, not young adults who are either A) making themselves a part of the campaign of their parent, or B) deliberately placing themselves in a spotlight. Early on in the Bristol Palin discussions, I strongly opposed people bring her pregnancy into the discussion. It was wrong.  However, when she started to speak in support of her mother, and when she joined "Dancing With The Stars", as far as I was concerned, she shed the protection by choice.  Some of the things that were said about young Amy Carter, then Chelsea Clinton, and now Sasha and Malia Obama just never should be said. Not remotely.  As you said, the role of a First Lady really has become much more active than in the old days. And as regards policies or programs they champion, absolutely, they are on the table for discussion, and SHOULD be. But the verbal abuse of the First Lady by calling her things like "Chewbacca" or "Sasquatch", or "Moochelle", well, these kinds of things only show the limited intelligence and complete lack of class of the person using them. You're right - there are some of these attacks - like calling the First Lady a "Wookie" or "Sasquatch" or referring to her and her daughters as apes - or even calling her husband a "Brazil Nut" that are completely racist in nature and utterly unacceptable. Hell, I didn't even like the jokes that referred to Barbara Bush as looking like George Washington. In the grand scheme of things, especially with what has been piled on Michelle Obama, that may seem mild, but I still found it to be out of line. Small people have to be small. They can't help it. It's just a shame they have to flock to message boards, or blog, or get jobs on air at political propaganda stations on radio and TV masquerading as "news".
651  Other / Off-topic / Re: When the Aliens ultimately invade Earth on: July 17, 2014, 01:40:26 PM
If alien come here I'm sure they would have very powerful computer hashing power. Our most powerful computer would be like hashing power of a calculator to them. I'm sure the aliens would destroy most of humanity left a few for dissection and for their zoos.

And bitcoin will considered inferior to them, I'm sure they will already have more powerful bitcoin like money or they don't use money at all because maybe they function as one organism or only one is controlling them is the real alien and the rest is just drones.

Why would they need money, and advance not selfish race wouldnt need money there will be a system, based on levels just like ants.  everyone working together to make sure there civilization to survive
652  Economy / Digital goods / Re: Selling 2TH/s, 12 months contract. on: July 17, 2014, 01:37:43 PM
There is one offer on the table, 5.5 BTC.

Im almost 100% positive that this contract will return atleast 13-14btc during the next year.

No more want to offer?

Please help me guys, im in urgent need of help.

How do we know you wont cut the contract and disappear I heard this is the new kind of scam thats going on.
653  Economy / Services / Re: WE PAY FOR SIGNATURE EVEN MORE. UP TO 0.0016 BTCs PER POST. W on: July 17, 2014, 01:25:43 PM
regardless of rules whoever advertised for him deserves there payment, and I was promised payment but still I got nothing today as promised, he told me 8 to 10 hours, and is past that already.

i think just give him some time bro i got my payment right after i post my btc addy which is just because he is online and post all the necessasary things to validate my querries and he act fast i think you should talk to him when he is online

Look umair I do think you deserve payment, and he said he's pay you apparently and never did so this is starting to look bad again. Don't say "regardless of rules" though because I do think if you weren't confirmed he doesn't owe you. That's like I say ok umair I'll pay you to post xyz signature for me, then someone else adds xyz signature and demands I pay them. The law does not put a duty on me to tell that other person to take off xyz signature otherwise I have to pay them. That would be ludicrous. Plus updown even said you needed to be confirmed. Same with people who took off sig after less than 30 days...you did not fulfill contract terms. I hate that I'm siding with updown because he's been shady about a lot but this is the state of the law in all jurisdictions I'm aware of.

I left the sig campaign last week so what are you talking about I left early?   you can see I joined a new campaign last week.  I was here from around the 9ths, stood here extra days,  Plus yes I am confirmed, I have link to that page as well.

Umair and zolace, especially umair, why do you think I have something against you?  I keep saying you deserve payment!  I'm not talking about you, you were confirmed I even said!  I'm talking about others who are complaining. Are you two alt accounts or something?  Umair you seem to have a problem with reading English as I keep you sayin you deserve payment then you get defensive and lash out at me.
  according to what I read Umair didnt attack you, it was zolace.
654  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No president escapes the American sense of humor on: July 17, 2014, 12:10:56 PM
I draw a firm line in the sand with regard to the families of those figures, most particularly the  minor children and spouses that are not directly involved in political policy.
655  Other / Politics & Society / Re: No president escapes the American sense of humor on: July 17, 2014, 12:02:23 PM
So we can't tell the same political joke that has been told many times with other men/women/party substitutions, but straight up calling a conservative woman a pig is fine.
I saw that coming when the lefties defended maher for calling palin a cu*t because it was funny. Or when they attacked Bristol and trig while claiming the obama girls were off limits. And of course the house ni**er name used to describe so many black republicans male and female because the dem party knows that all blacks belong in the dem party. No nuance there.
656  Economy / Lending / Re: Loan for Dicebot on: July 17, 2014, 11:28:54 AM
Stop chatting with yourself dude, is making you look bad
657  Other / Off-topic / Re: When the Aliens ultimately invade Earth on: July 17, 2014, 06:26:40 AM
Why would aliens ever need money if they are far more advanced then us, Im sure a smarter civilization will laugh oof the greed we have instead of working together.
658  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Supervolcano in Yellowstone is going to Explode? on: July 16, 2014, 07:03:08 PM
I 'd like to work in the Yellowstone. park, Money comes there very easy, corrupted officials, corrupted scientists, telling fantastic stories about " big " volcano , fairy tales always attract tourists, just watch after this " dangerous" situation triple more tourists will rush there. Have you been to Transylvania to see Dracula?
659  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 06:09:57 PM
Sana is agreeing with non-natural personhood for corporations insofar as he agrees that corporations should be able to act as liability-shields for natural persons, but he doesn't agree with constitutional rights being given to corporations. You are wrong, completely wrong, to suggest that he agrees with the Hobby Lobby decision. We can fact-check you if you'd like, by simply asking Sana if he agrees with the Hobby Lobby decision
He(umair) is indeed wrong.

In his zeal to hype the RFRA as the totality of the Hobby Lobby case, he seems to neglect that the RFRA itself applies to only those with First Amendment rights......


I wonder if the RFRA would apply to corporations. Hmmmmmmmmm
I had actually beat him to that too, and he still either didn't understand the point or ignored it. He then responds to this post saying that 'person' is defined by The Dictionary Act, effectively (and seemingly completely unaware that he was) conceding.

He mentions in the beginning of that thread he had been a lawyer. It makes sense why he gave up on that. He seems to think the job description of a lawyer is to shit your pants and then do as much as you can to strengthen your opponent's argument.
660  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 16, 2014, 06:00:56 PM
Sana is agreeing with non-natural personhood for corporations insofar as he agrees that corporations should be able to act as liability-shields for natural persons, but he doesn't agree with constitutional rights being given to corporations. You are wrong, completely wrong, to suggest that he agrees with the Hobby Lobby decision. We can fact-check you if you'd like, by simply asking Sana if he agrees with the Hobby Lobby decision
You still have not read the decision have you?

Direct quote from the opinion:

"RFRA applies to “a person’s” exercise of religion, 42 U. S. C. §§2000bb–1(a), (b), and RFRA itself does not define the term “person.” We therefore look to the Dictionary Act, which we must consult “n determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, unless the context indicates otherwise.” 1 U. S. C. §1.

Under the Dictionary Act, “the wor[d] ‘person’ . . . include corporations, companies, associations, firms, partnerships, societies, and joint stock companies, as well as individuals.” Ibid."
Yes, I have. But you're in the wrong thread.Also that quote agrees with what I just said. Thanks for proving me right again.
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