I don't trust escrow here anymore.
Are you sure? What about OgNasty, Blazed? Was master-p on depth 1 defaut trust? Cause it seems nearly impossible to go here. I mean I don't really see how OgNasty could make a scam, there is so much potential by being one of the most trusted member of the forum. It means whenever he wants to create something, every one will invest/try it. I don't see how a scam could repay for such a trust. But maybe it was the same for master p :/ |
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Doesn't matter. You have to choose a team. There are only 2 and you can't have a different opinion.
Kinda like choosing Republican or Democrat.
That's not true, I could run my own implementation with 'bouncy' blocks that alternate between 512KB and 512MB. I would then be the equivalent of the Monster Raving Loony Party. Yeah but I could run for the presidential. Wouldn't do a big difference. |
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Wow! This thread really took off! According to the OP, "I lost complete faith in this forum now." It's a very sad event but it's nothing new. It's not the only scam found on this forum but faith shouldn't be lost in the forum on account of it. In fact, it's a small event compared to some of the others. (a few months ago 330 BTC and barely a complaint: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1158117.120) It is just one of the dangers inherent to bitcoin. I understand that the forums trust system was in play with this particular event; however, I think the community gave an honest evaluation of the service provider from the information they attained and that's how the system is designed to work. What that person did with the trust they'd gained as a result of that feedback should not be retroactively damaging to the system. Again, it's a complication inherent to bitcoin, not the forum or the community, and I think the problem has an easier fix than what is generally accepted. Whether we like it. or not, some sort of smart contract capability needs to be incorporated into the functionality of the platform. Good reference here, I didn't know about this scam. Don't send huge amount to people you don't know. That's a basic... I've filled a 3.5 btc lending, quite a huge amount, I asked for ID proof that's all. Easy to see if the person asking for lend is a scammer. A scammer never gives proofs of his identity, you want to send/invest huge amount of money? Ask for a photo and a scan of ID + a random official paper depending on the country. People are too greedy. |
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to me it is simple if you want loan and have bnt you come here and ask for loan if loans are open
if you do not need loan then this coin not for you
price high, sell at exchange price low, take loan buy more bnt at cheap price then sell higher price and repay loan and take profit like as if you shorted, only a smart person will understand it if you do not then you should not involve i think, leave us here who know it
... So you buy coins low price, take the loan (IF the man accept to grant the loan, which he doesn't have to) then buy more coins at still low price and sell them when price is high? Then repay the loan and do it again? You know what it is? It's just an elaborated ponzi scheme. The newcommer pay higher the bnt in order for you to repay the loan. Then price goes higher and higher. This coin IS a ponzi, a huge one. And you're all going in head first saying "no everything is normal, you're just too dumb to understand". DO NOT INVEST HERE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING IT'S A PONZI!Then if you understand it, that whenever op stops giving loan or dump his coins, price will crash as hell and the op will laugh with his btc, go on. No different from doublecoin.org, just more sophisticated. |
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The real question isn't even how you ban it or what would happen but more WHAT WOULD YOU BAN? You want to ban bitcoin? But what is bitcoin? Just exchange of rather neutral data... You can't create a law saying "ok buddies you no longer have the right to exchange data we believe is linked to bitcoin". Not possible in 99% countries cause not constitutional. You can't ban bitcoin not because we would go to darkweb or because it would be complicated, just because you don't know what to ban. Tomorrow btc is said banned, BTC-E, Yobit, coinbase will start to sell BTC2, exact same thing, same code, just the name which is not the same.  |
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OMG STOP THIS SCAMMY THREAD!!!!
Can anyone just give me ONE reason to create a new coin to be used as a collateral? There is absolutely NO reason to create that! It's not even a good idea!!!! not talking about the shady dev, it's just not a good idea to create a coin which sole purpose is collateral ><
It's like taking a normal currency and saying ok I gonna create the same thing but it will be used in les way. Same object, fewer options.
Just WHY?
you screaming STOP THIS SCAMMY! but some whales even begin accumulation , exactly wtf is goin on.... Not a whale, just the OP who's the only one mining this shit altcoin. Maybe I'm wrong, but then could just one people give me ONE reason to create/use this coin. Even DOGE and Litecoin are more innovative than this... |
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Guys, I am still trying to understand: who are climate deniers?
Well, a mistake in itself. Denier is a strong word, used essentially to talk about the Shoah deniers, people believing nazis never killed all those people and that extermination camps don't exist. So denier is not a good word for what we're talking about. Cause there is not such a huge and solid proof for climate change. But I still think, from what I know, that most people being "deniers" are still a bit mindlessly obstinate ^^ They are people saying the impact of mankind on environment is not that big because "you don't know maybe it would have happened anyway!"  (and most of them are American! xD ) |
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I choose Real master-p . Ahah, oh my god it would be actually funny if that was not a question of 12k$ robbed! But still, users got quite creativity, I'm pretty sure master-p is not the one creating all those accounts, some people are taking a fun time with all this story! Couldn't admi forbid the use of master p in nicknam of newbies for a time? ^^ |
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What's better to do with extra BTC than to ponzi it up?
Ponzi isnt the best way to spend your BTC... you know. You're better off gambling it on a *provably fair* site. I'm not against ponzi's. One have just to know the principle. the principle is: Last ones pay for first ones. I one knows this then I can not understand that people are against this system. It is just a "BET GAME" where you bet that you are not among the last ones... Ok if the ponzi runner is a scammer...then we are out off topic... Scammers can run every where... You have to take the bluff part... Same in poker (lol) If people encourage you to invest in a ponzi...perhaps they have invested before you or have referrer interest. It is why you have to overwiew all possibilities...or go away... Have fun...and know that often comments here are "no-sens" given by people who just want to write something to get sign camp reward (lol) Meh, you're right in itself. But the fact is that to play poker you need to know the rules. Whereas ponzi often forget to explain they are a ponzi, and what a ponzi is. But yes you're right, by itself a ponzi is not bad, it's just a bet! |
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So you will wait for him to send dust payments for 1 year and exit scam you after that? At that time if his dox gets public no one can file a case against him because no police will listen to a scam happened one year ago.  Tactics of scammers.  No. As I said it all depends if you believe he's the real on or not. If you do then you try to find a solution with him. If you don't you release dox and file a case. No use of insulting him, and asking this "piece of shit to repay what he owes". But seriously does anyone believe he's going to repay everything? Not a question of being hacked. Just that if he was not hacked, he scammed 10k$, he's not going to give it back. Especially when you know how difficult it is to accuse anyone with only digital proofs... If he was hacked he's not responsible. Unless he has signed a due contract with all of you explaining he'll assure the funds again any criminal act he doesn't have to repay it. And as "good" as he can be, there is no way he's going to spend 10k$ of his own money just because he doesn't want "to disappoint people". Nobody does that. That's not being honnest, that's being stupid. People knew they also took a small risk by sending the funds to one person. If he was genuinely hacked then he's maybe stupid, but not totally responsible. The escrow is responsible for the money you fucking simpleton. That's what keeps them from claiming they hot "hacked" and walking away scot-free. What do people not get about this concept? Again, thanks a lot for the free insult most charming gentleman. This community... And the "fucking simpleton" advises you to think a bit more about the LEGAL definition of escrow and what's needed for it. We're talking about filing a case, so the question is not what you BELIEVE an escrow is, but can master-p be legally considered as an escrow and what are his obligation as one. Under the law. Not for your useless opinion. Think more, insult less. Kiss. |
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So you will wait for him to send dust payments for 1 year and exit scam you after that? At that time if his dox gets public no one can file a case against him because no police will listen to a scam happened one year ago. Tactics of scammers. No. As I said it all depends if you believe he's the real on or not. If you do then you try to find a solution with him. If you don't you release dox and file a case. No use of insulting him, and asking this "piece of shit to repay what he owes". But seriously does anyone believe he's going to repay everything? Not a question of being hacked. Just that if he was not hacked, he scammed 10k$, he's not going to give it back. Especially when you know how difficult it is to accuse anyone with only digital proofs... If he was hacked he's not responsible. Unless he has signed a due contract with all of you explaining he'll assure the funds again any criminal act he doesn't have to repay it. And as "good" as he can be, there is no way he's going to spend 10k$ of his own money just because he doesn't want "to disappoint people". Nobody does that. That's not being honnest, that's being stupid. People knew they also took a small risk by sending the funds to one person. If he was genuinely hacked then he's maybe stupid, but not totally responsible. |
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Instead of going on with your usual bullshit, why dont you fucking hurry up with refunding all the people you owe?
I'm one of the people that he owes, so I am concerned by your question here. While I do urge him to refund me and everyone else, the negativity and comment abuse going on here is disgusting. Can we stop acting like animals for a second? He's going to refund the people here, sooner or later. If he doesn't, or shows that he somehow does not intend to do that, or is blatantly lying, then his personal data will be shown to the public, leading to lawsuit, or maybe, even worse. So for now, I beg the people here to stop blatantly going at him, it really won't lead anywhere at this point. I just came back to this daily entertainment, and I see all those people spitting on Master-p while it seems he's trying to recover the funds. If you believe he was hacked and he's saying the truth, then show some sympathy. He has no duty to repay all of you! Unless you sign a precise contract with him saying he'll ensure the security of the funds it is not something that he has legally the obligation to do. So he's saying he'll try to repay even if he can't access the funds and you're all "shut the fuck up bitch and repay what you owe you dump shit". Well just think a second. Do you think yelling like a sow will help anyone in any way? This community... Horrible group of abusive people... |
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OMG STOP THIS SCAMMY THREAD!!!!
Can anyone just give me ONE reason to create a new coin to be used as a collateral? There is absolutely NO reason to create that! It's not even a good idea!!!! not talking about the shady dev, it's just not a good idea to create a coin which sole purpose is collateral ><
It's like taking a normal currency and saying ok I gonna create the same thing but it will be used in les way. Same object, fewer options.
Just WHY?
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If climate change was about not being sure then no one would have been banned from reddit, To the contrary some are very sure, so sure they ban people with other theories. That is why most of the people who simply voice their professional opinion are shut down, called deniers, or worse.
So I agree that science is about telling the truth about reality, as we understand it until a new paradigm shift happens. Science is not about lying and ask the pope for help.
Ahah! That's right, I don't fucking understand why reddit banned those threads... I mean it's the worst possible way to settle the debate and see the truth emerge. But then maybe the thread was horrible, full of insults and things like that, can't know I never saw it. Every situation that needs a lot of people to agree on a compromise, or a new "truth" is never a peaceful moment, especially in science. Scientists may project an image of calm and logic, but they are still humans, with big ego and long career choices they have to defend, all the way to their death: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2716540/Japanese-scientist-stem-cell-research-retracted-proved-false-commits-suicide.htmlNow the internet is full of annoying anonymous infants. They love to pretend to be what they are not sometime. It is easy to pretend to belong to a party, then go to a meeting as a plant and scream how you love racism for example. Not saying that was exclusively case on that reddit sub, but it is something one cannot ignore as a possibility. An excuse to ban, created by the very people who wanted to silent non believers. Meh. I know that, for sure. I'm a scientist, well an engineer but you see what I mean. Doesn't matter, it's still no reason to lock it down. I can believe in creationism if I have good arguments. Anyway, this thread may have been banned from reddit, but it's quite interesting here ^^ |
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Ok, now the dev says that if I want to make early payment I need to pay extra 0.05 BTC, where was it mentioned before.
Dev,
you send my collateral BNT first to my account, so that I can dump at a reasonable rate now. By the time you unload your premine, this coin will become worthless. If I don't get my BNT within the next 2hrs, you can say good bye to your 0.2 BTC.
We are willing to accept all repayments, but based on agreed upon terms. If you wish to break the agreement by repaying early, you will be charged an early repayment fee of 0.005 BTC The Bantam Project reserves it's right to absorb all BNT pledged as collateral into the Bantam Reserve should a borrower default. Which we are happy to do Just so that I wont have that guilty feeling, I have returned your 0.215 BTC to the address mention in your previous PM. Please return the collateral BNT ASAP so that I can dump them and be done with your project. Tx ID: 6ed115691ceb9016893b06c174689c400007d716686bd0eea0dd96583b96f465 You're crazy? You really went first and repaid them the 0.215 btc? Oo Man, I hope they'll send you your btn back, you're too good for them! |
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Thanks for your idea mate, but paying BTC for getting positive feedback is illegal here  Really? Didn't know that. Some users already farm positive feedback in more cunny ways. But doesn't matter, my point was that his rating doesn't matter and your attitude is legitimate, so just go |
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Ok, now the dev says that if I want to make early payment I need to pay extra 0.05 BTC, where was it mentioned before.
Dev,
you send my collateral BNT first to my account, so that I can dump at a reasonable rate now. By the time you unload your premine, this coin will become worthless. If I don't get my BNT within the next 2hrs, you can say good bye to your 0.2 BTC.
Why do you even care? Keep the 0.2 btc, you made a small profit and it's cool for you! This coin shouldn't exist. It's just the equivalent of btc. If you can get a 0.2 btc loan with 1000 btn then everyone will settle the price of 1000 btn to 0.2 btc, otherwise you just have to default a loan. Dumbest idea I ever saw! It's just that, I don't want to get negative rating for a puny 0.2BTC  . Otherwise 2000BNT is worth much less than .2BTC, I know. Dude, 0.2 btc is nearly 100$, that's not bad at all ^^ you won't have a negative trust, he's a Jr Member most certainly leading a huge scam. He's just a shill account, any ratings he gives is as useless as mine (and I got a useless feedback for most members xD) Wanna do something? You give me 0.02 btc and I give you a positive feedback for scamming scammers to counterbalance his neg rating xD |
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Ok, now the dev says that if I want to make early payment I need to pay extra 0.05 BTC, where was it mentioned before.
Dev,
you send my collateral BNT first to my account, so that I can dump at a reasonable rate now. By the time you unload your premine, this coin will become worthless. If I don't get my BNT within the next 2hrs, you can say good bye to your 0.2 BTC.
Why do you even care? Keep the 0.2 btc, you made a small profit and it's cool for you! This coin shouldn't exist. It's just the equivalent of btc. If you can get a 0.2 btc loan with 1000 btn then everyone will settle the price of 1000 btn to 0.2 btc, otherwise you just have to default a loan. Dumbest idea I ever saw! |
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Dudes, this project smells like shit from the very beginning...
How could a currency be used as a collateral? That's SO STUPID!!!
If you got 1000 btn you can have 1btc loan that you can default (then you have exchanged 1000 btn for one btc). So 1000 btn worth 1 btc END OF STORY. So no use of this currency.
There is nothing added by your coin, nothing new, nothing innovative or whatever.
It's a big whole scam that's all.
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This is very encouraging, hopefully people will get their coins back and master-p can clear his name . well good luck with that last part an escrow who disappears for weeks and doesn't keep wallet backups... no thank you and until everyone is made 100% it's premature to claim anything. Remember we have two conflicting messages now signed by to two "real" master-p users Yeah I agree. Problem being even if master-p was really hacked, I don't see why he would repay everything from his own pocket. I see no point here but to prove his honesty. It would be just a question of honor. Well, I don't know a lot of people that would pay 10k$ from their own pocket for a question of honor! Though I hope it's the case of course. |
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