@Phildo; those companies were about $$$ that would've actually been "worth" it ;-)
What does this mean? This company isn't about money? they didn't accept money in the ICO? They don't get money selling stakers? They don't get money selling atoms? They didn't give themselves coins that they can turn into money at any point in time? They aren't staking coins themselves that can turn into money? |
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No one bothered to say that I sent Maidak almost 4k and it took him around 2-3weeks ish to deliver the BTC. But after I made a scam accusation he payed me back pretty quickly BUT one month before this topic was made, sometime in early may, I sent him 250$ and he was supposed to send me 1 BTC but he never did. I never bothered to say anything on the forum because I figured if he didnt run with 4k why would he with 250. But he did.
It looked like he filled up his debts by asking for debts from other users. Like sending coins or funds from "his partners". Though those partners then had the same problem. Running after their money. I really don't know how he could allow his financial problems intervene with his business. That is not acceptabled but his status let it run for some time. Because it appears that his business was scamtastic. When someone bought 4k worth of BTC from him, he didn't actually have 4k worth of BTC, he took the 4k, and held onto it until he could buy enough BTC to pay the original person, hopefully for less than 4k. Like the scammers who just borrowed from one person to pay back another loan, it works great until people stop lending you money and playing along, and then they just run away with whatever they are left holding at the end. |
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I'm on about the only reason that has been given for this coin to work is that somehow they are going to get a piece of the gaming market to make the coin work.
I'm really unsure how they think they are going to get money from casual gamers when they need to take all the steps necessary to use this coin.
How is it a good mid to long term investment? What is the plan for it to work? Why do you think the people that spend money on mobile games would jump through all the hoops necessary to raise the price of ION?
Personally, I think it's just yet another scam coin. Let's see here. What happened again, basically: A bunch of people got scammed by garza Those people saw how it easy it was to build a premined scam coin and do the same thing This is how they are recouping their losses, by creating their own scam coin Not a lot to really figure out there, the gaming thing is just bullshit, a smokescreen, just like half the other shit coins out there created to just make BTC out of thin air, they all "promise" something or another, but it's all just bullshit if it's another btc or peercoin or whatever clone. Coins that are different, like Monero, ETH etc etc - Now we are talking about real crypto investments, not just get-rich quick coins like this particularly stinky POS...  I sit around all the time and go well Fck, if only I didn't have a conscious, I would probably do the same thing - it's really pretty easy, it just takes some work. Or, for a few BTC, you can pay someone to build you a scamcoin too, complete with marketing, fake hero accounts etc etc, probably like Bitstone dev did... Not that I'm condoning that, just saying. I just have to laugh at all the deep thinking going on about this coin - Not putting anyone down, I just think it's funny, cuz I know it's just another stinky scam coin, and it's creators are even stinkier than most. I mean look at this ANN thread. It's basically a giant scam accusation thread now... That's fantastic!  You may be right, you may be wrong. It's a bit strange to run a (scam)project for months and let everybody gather your personal information and record all sort of stuff, snd then screw them. I know, it doesnt mean you cant be right, i just am confirming that you could not have any conscious.. while the helpfull and welcoming community (imho) suggests the opposite. You are right that your scenario is possible, but it is not the only one. Therefore the "deep thoughts" :-) Game vid and dev bounties should be any day now. First game release mid june. Let's go from there on making conclusions. Why do you think that's strange? Pirate did it, BFL did it, Garza did it, Cryptsy did it, Gox did it, Neo and Bee did it, many other people have started "projects" that ended up being scams. So assuming that it can't be a scam is silly, and you also need to factor in the times that it isn't intended to be a scam and just ends up being a failure, which has the same result for the investors, especially when there are so many coins that literally came from nothing floating around ready to be dumped. |
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Here is the English version:
Make a bunch of bets with a negative expected value and then, as expected, lose your money.
I found a pdf in English that explains it better, but it seems that you really need to download a program from that italian site to input how much you want to bet and how many bets you want to make to generate the chart that you make.
It spits out something that looks like a times table, and then you move one way on the chart when you lose the bet and move the other way on the chart. The chart seems especially useless because (at least in this roulette version I found in english) suggest skipping spins at certain times, as if that makes any difference in the world.
Plus side compared to martingale (on this particular version I found) you only lose 21 unit if you lose 10 in a row compared to martingale where you would lose a lot more (in this version I found, anyway.)
It looks like there are some apps (also in italian) on google play if you have a droid and want to play around/mess with italian, but my guess would be that it's not that great if there's been no english language translation explanation over these years.
Thanks for this description. But from what you said I am a bit reluctant to believe that this method has any practical application other than boosting ego of gullible payers. I guess it is another method which create fake sense of security that you are winning more than you are losing. Yes. The only strategy for winning at gambling is to make good bets. The only way to win via making bad bets is to be lucky, and there is no strategy for that. If you are playing dice, roulette, etc, don't worry about strategy, know that you are probably going to lose, and have fun. If you are playing blackjack, poker, sports betting, learn how to make good bets (or make decisions that can be as close to good as possible) know that you are probably going to lose, and have fun. |
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It is some kind of secret Italian method or something? I bet there is English version of this method somewhere? I tried to read it but unfortunately my Italian speaking skill is like... non-existent. I just want to add that all these strategies are only ways to manage your bets, bankroll and progress, they are not helping you achieve any more wins than you usually get. Here is the English version: Make a bunch of bets with a negative expected value and then, as expected, lose your money. I found a pdf in English that explains it better, but it seems that you really need to download a program from that italian site to input how much you want to bet and how many bets you want to make to generate the chart that you make. It spits out something that looks like a times table, and then you move one way on the chart when you lose the bet and move the other way on the chart. The chart seems especially useless because (at least in this roulette version I found in english) suggest skipping spins at certain times, as if that makes any difference in the world. Plus side compared to martingale (on this particular version I found) you only lose 21 unit if you lose 10 in a row compared to martingale where you would lose a lot more (in this version I found, anyway.) It looks like there are some apps (also in italian) on google play if you have a droid and want to play around/mess with italian, but my guess would be that it's not that great if there's been no english language translation explanation over these years. |
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I'm on about the only reason that has been given for this coin to work is that somehow they are going to get a piece of the gaming market to make the coin work.
I'm really unsure how they think they are going to get money from casual gamers when they need to take all the steps necessary to use this coin.
How is it a good mid to long term investment? What is the plan for it to work? Why do you think the people that spend money on mobile games would jump through all the hoops necessary to raise the price of ION?
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So instead of making 2 clicks to get extra lives on candy crush, people are going to sign up for amazon vps, run a wallet, buy ions, electrons, and atoms, and somehow make everyone rich?
This sounds like a good plan to you? how?
Why do you think the guys that can't get a wallet to run consistently on a common OS can make a successful game?
What happens a year from now when amazon starts charging you? What's another expense to get involved in this coin I guess when you already need to buy atoms and electrons on top of the actual coins to do anything.
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9. Discussions in the main boards must be in english. All other language discussions should be posted in the appropriate Local board. [e]
Bad boy
To be fair, I don't think there is a local board for Gibberish. Now to get back on topic, ION is firmly on its way to be listed on all major exchanges. The massive trade volume on Yobit must be making them totes jelly: https://yobit.net/en/trade/ION/BTC Its because the game isn't out yet.... once that happens... moon. Blasting aliens is about to make a come back.. it might be a fav of the 80s but this one innovation alone will make ion worth lots. If you don't believe me ask boki he knows where its at. Ion = win!!! Well. If the game is released, I think the price will rise, yes. This is one out of 3 scenario's. 1) It was fake 2) It failed 3) It succeeds Personally I do think this is with all crypto projects. You calculate that in when you set your buying price (if any). Multiply the probabillity with the expected price and make your conclusions. So hypothetical: 1) 25% 2) 50% 3) 25% When game IS released I'd expect price to go back to 0.25$ (though we have too little details about the game and business model etc): My buying price would be: 25% x $0.25 = $0.0625, so this includes a 25% scenario that it is a fake project. You need guts and to distinguish to make money in crypto  In your case I guess it would be 0% x 0.01$ = Why would you put the it succeeds at 25% and how much of that actually makes the price go up? Why would you assume that a working game makes the price go up? Have they figured out how to get around the issues with outside payments? How are they going to get this to the masses and cause them to want the coin? His do they convince people to invest in a coin that they have created thousands of and can crash the price at will? Remember how no one knew where all the extra xpy went and it turned out Garza had them and dumped them to pay for someone's coinstand goodies? Why are you not worried about a similar scenario? |
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I am sorry my friend, but your posts show me some different picture, especially the words you choose and all this lier lies that you sing out of your imagination. You still represent the same group with your opinions here, but it is not on me to decide who you are or not. I only warned you that this is not fun like you supposed.
When these authorities find me I'll be sure to show them the screenshot of you saying you never insulted me. Followed by the screenshot of you insulting me to prove that me calling a liar a liar is not part of some vast criminal conspiracy, but just a simple man telling the truth on the internet. I do hope you find that group who is apparently doing you harm, but I'm not sure you will because if you are looking this way you are not close to looking in the right direction. You are an hopeless case, now you are playing an lawyer too. You again spam by repeating the same that I already told you, it is not on me to decide if you are part of it or not. If they show up in front of you, I guess then you will be wrong. Just following your orders to screenshot everything. Still really unsure why calling a liar a liar means I stole your identity, but I guess i just have to wait for the internet police to come get me since you won't share anymore info. Do you spam this forum to get higher post count? If you are not an part of this, stop talking to me, you got it adviced from owlcatz too. You seem to state in your posts that you are kinda in an war with me and you seem to be very interested in spamming away some talk. Suchmoon is silent and does not reply, suchmoon voids question. I know you want to impress, but you are only an troll who does not understand its own actions. I am done with you, look for your friends or familiy for explanation. Please get some help, go to the doc, start with an pschologist. I'm trying to help you and defend myself. You appear to be saying that me calling you a liar because you lied makes me part of some conspiracy to steal your identity. If someone is stealing your identity I hope you catch them, but don't waste time looking towards me, because it's not me. I'm not going to let a liar have the last word to be calling me some sort of criminal, if that boosts my post count and makes me internet famous, so be it. If you don't want me to call you a liar or respond to you, stop lying and calling me a criminal, it's very simple. |
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I am sorry my friend, but your posts show me some different picture, especially the words you choose and all this lier lies that you sing out of your imagination. You still represent the same group with your opinions here, but it is not on me to decide who you are or not. I only warned you that this is not fun like you supposed.
When these authorities find me I'll be sure to show them the screenshot of you saying you never insulted me. Followed by the screenshot of you insulting me to prove that me calling a liar a liar is not part of some vast criminal conspiracy, but just a simple man telling the truth on the internet. I do hope you find that group who is apparently doing you harm, but I'm not sure you will because if you are looking this way you are not close to looking in the right direction. You are an hopeless case, now you are playing an lawyer too. You again spam by repeating the same that I already told you, it is not on me to decide if you are part of it or not. If they show up in front of you, I guess then you will be wrong. Just following your orders to screenshot everything. Still really unsure why calling a liar a liar means I stole your identity, but I guess i just have to wait for the internet police to come get me since you won't share anymore info. |
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I am sorry my friend, but your posts show me some different picture, especially the words you choose and all this lier lies that you sing out of your imagination. You still represent the same group with your opinions here, but it is not on me to decide who you are or not. I only warned you that this is not fun like you supposed.
When these authorities find me I'll be sure to show them the screenshot of you saying you never insulted me. Followed by the screenshot of you insulting me to prove that me calling a liar a liar is not part of some vast criminal conspiracy, but just a simple man telling the truth on the internet. I do hope you find that group who is apparently doing you harm, but I'm not sure you will because if you are looking this way you are not close to looking in the right direction. |
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You are wrong, bitcointalk is about bitcoin. This forum is not created for bullies and selfmade judges commiting cyber crime on internet. Nobody forbid it, there are just laws that some lawmaker made but you can ride without them if your such an macho.
That still doesn't explain how you can compare my posts on this forum to Ganza stealing money from Matlack and the rest of the merry GAW crew. I'm still not sure what crazy laws you are talking about, but are you breaking any by doing that? I mean if I'm breaking a law by calling someone who has lied a liar, surely you are breaking one by comparing me to a guy who stole 20 million dollars. No, I just compare you to everybody else who helped Ganza, lets say Joe. Joe was not aware of anything like you are not aware of anything. You support and commit crime with supporting identity theft (which you seem to be too blind to recognise happened), threats over email, intimidation of other user in using force, ..... there are several acts. I get it, you think I am troll you do not take serious, Ganza was this Joker too, he just scammed 20 Mio and you are still an puppetshill on bitcointalk I have nothing to do with any identity theft, and I am not responsible for anyone else's actions. I don't take you serious because you compared a guy who does nothing but call liars liars, idiots idiots, and thieves thieves to someone who stole 20 million dollars. If you are suffering from any sort of crime, you should go to the authorities and get it taken care of (like I told the people getting robbed by Adam and joe (not sure why you're bringing him up). If you think I am committing a crime by calling you a liar for lying, you should go to a doctor and get some medication. I am too blind to recognize any identity theft because they only mention of identity theft has been rambling by you that you refuse to clarify interspersed with other nonsense like me being the same as a guy who stole 20 million dollars. If you want to help me see, help me see, if you don't, shut the fuck up and go away and let us discuss ION. Who said that authorities are not aware? I am telling you all the time, maybe it is better if you think before you post some BS? I will explain it better to you, an group commits an crime, it is not about you, it is about you and couple of your friends with suchmoon as an friend and my friend as my identity thief. I am sorry, dig for more details, I want to know now from suchmoon why does suchmoon acuse me over email, over my friend with threats by stealing identity? the only puprose of it is crime. Last time, if you do not understand what it is about, do not reply to my posts. @suchmoon please answer, you ask so many people for answers in very rude way, I ask you nicely. It's hard to follow your gibberish, but are you accusing me of being in a group with suchmoon that stole your identity over email? I did not do that. |
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There are 2.5 million coins (plus whatever was leftover from the 5 million coins set aside for the ICO that weren't sold) set aside for development bounties. Not sure exactly what you have to do to get those (or where those coins are currently located) but I bet they'd toss some your way if you could build them a wallet that could run for more than 8 hours. Seems like an important step on the development timeline. |
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You are wrong, bitcointalk is about bitcoin. This forum is not created for bullies and selfmade judges commiting cyber crime on internet. Nobody forbid it, there are just laws that some lawmaker made but you can ride without them if your such an macho.
That still doesn't explain how you can compare my posts on this forum to Ganza stealing money from Matlack and the rest of the merry GAW crew. I'm still not sure what crazy laws you are talking about, but are you breaking any by doing that? I mean if I'm breaking a law by calling someone who has lied a liar, surely you are breaking one by comparing me to a guy who stole 20 million dollars. No, I just compare you to everybody else who helped Ganza, lets say Joe. Joe was not aware of anything like you are not aware of anything. You support and commit crime with supporting identity theft (which you seem to be too blind to recognise happened), threats over email, intimidation of other user in using force, ..... there are several acts. I get it, you think I am troll you do not take serious, Ganza was this Joker too, he just scammed 20 Mio and you are still an puppetshill on bitcointalk I have nothing to do with any identity theft, and I am not responsible for anyone else's actions. I don't take you serious because you compared a guy who does nothing but call liars liars, idiots idiots, and thieves thieves to someone who stole 20 million dollars. If you are suffering from any sort of crime, you should go to the authorities and get it taken care of (like I told the people getting robbed by Adam and joe (not sure why you're bringing him up). If you think I am committing a crime by calling you a liar for lying, you should go to a doctor and get some medication. I am too blind to recognize any identity theft because they only mention of identity theft has been rambling by you that you refuse to clarify interspersed with other nonsense like me being the same as a guy who stole 20 million dollars. If you want to help me see, help me see, if you don't, shut the fuck up and go away and let us discuss ION. |
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You are wrong, bitcointalk is about bitcoin. This forum is not created for bullies and selfmade judges commiting cyber crime on internet. Nobody forbid it, there are just laws that some lawmaker made but you can ride without them if your such an macho.
That still doesn't explain how you can compare my posts on this forum to Ganza stealing money from Matlack and the rest of the merry GAW crew. I'm still not sure what crazy laws you are talking about, but are you breaking any by doing that? I mean if I'm breaking a law by calling someone who has lied a liar, surely you are breaking one by comparing me to a guy who stole 20 million dollars. |
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you lack to understand, dont talk if you dont know what you talk about.
so many of you try to save something in name of bitcoin. All of you only contribute in destroying it with methods that you use. You do not understand that I got threats over email to stop dox on suchmoon?
Suchmoon, why do I get such mail from my named email on some X provider who is aware of what is going on since it happened, please explain in public?
What have we destroyed? Did us saying that the hashlets that Adam Matlack was stupid enough to believe existed didn't exist somehow make them disappear? Exactly such typical types of intimidation and cyber criminality brings bitcoin into dark light, its no openbazzar or anything similiar, these are people who judge over others without any right or knowledge. See that's where your mistaken. Scammers bring bitcoin into a dark light. The people calling out the scammers for their bullshit don't. aha, do you call me scammer ? again, I do not represent in any form law or law execution force and you should contact your local lawyer who will give you many answers to your questions. You are worse than an scammer in supporting theft, indtimidation of other users, cutting free speech, overspamming, ... this forum with all the BS that some continunue maybe for fun, mass mobbing is not funny. All of the questions that ION has to reply are questions that you ask them over their official way. You spam this thread with same questions which nobody answers. 5 people think this forum is for them, just read how your buddy suchmooon talks to others calling to many bitcointalk mambers shit and in general being abusive in many cases. Why is it approved, because suchmoon got doxxed before already? What is the difference now beetwen you guys and Ganza? There is no! Threads where you 5-9 people are, you are representing perfectly Hashtalk culture, nobody is allowed to have it is opinion and if, we commit some cyber crime on this user. Even if you did not take part on it, you currently do contribute in it in calling me lier. This thread got reported and it is printed as well as screeshoted, no questions are answered and it seems that some crime took place again on this forum. Maybe it is not clever at all to post now such aggresive words, what do you think? Please learn english better before you try to play forum police. I did not call you a scammer. I said what I do is call out scammers for their bullshit. You are a liar, so I call you a liar so other people don't believe your bullshit. The screenshots of your lying are posted in the GAW thread, if you need them posted here again, it can be done. This thread is to discuss ION. We will discuss ION whether or not anyone from team ION is here to discuss it. Lots of that gets done around here when you are off doing whatever it is you do besides spew bullshit on the forums. The difference between me and Ganza is that I didn't steal hundreds of thousands of dollars from the creator of this coin (and millions from others) in a Ponzi scheme. I tried to warn Adam Matlack and others that Ganza was robbing them, but they didn't listen, and now we are here. I'm not sure how my participation on the forums is in any way similar to someone who is currently in the middle of a trial with the SEC for running a Ponzi scheme. You thinking my posts on the forum are anything like that really boggles my mind. |
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you lack to understand, dont talk if you dont know what you talk about.
so many of you try to save something in name of bitcoin. All of you only contribute in destroying it with methods that you use. You do not understand that I got threats over email to stop dox on suchmoon?
Suchmoon, why do I get such mail from my named email on some X provider who is aware of what is going on since it happened, please explain in public?
What have we destroyed? Did us saying that the hashlets that Adam Matlack was stupid enough to believe existed didn't exist somehow make them disappear? Exactly such typical types of intimidation and cyber criminality brings bitcoin into dark light, its no openbazzar or anything similiar, these are people who judge over others without any right or knowledge. See that's where your mistaken. Scammers bring bitcoin into a dark light. The people calling out the scammers for their bullshit don't. |
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you lack to understand, dont talk if you dont know what you talk about.
so many of you try to save something in name of bitcoin. All of you only contribute in destroying it with methods that you use. You do not understand that I got threats over email to stop dox on suchmoon?
Suchmoon, why do I get such mail from my named email on some X provider who is aware of what is going on since it happened, please explain in public?
What have we destroyed? Did us saying that the hashlets that Adam Matlack was stupid enough to believe existed didn't exist somehow make them disappear? |
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You already contribute to the crime by calling me an liar. You could stop this by not talking to me, ignoring me or whatever. I dont care if you understand or not, you are from now on part of it.
Your claiming a group of people are committing identity here. Who are the accused? Who is the victim? (Phildo you've claimed already) Links to proof? Who is the victim? Who is the accuser? Maybe suchmoon could accuse me in public before my friend sends me threats over email? Got it. Back to ranting is it?Okay, I'll go back to digging up info on MrCoins while you play with everyone else. Please do this, I am not renting. suchmoon should create an thread if suchmoon accuses me in this dox instead of sending threats and stealing identity, sharing data,.... this is all done in group and you are an part of it. you like publishing information that is not public, I know your char. why do you all feel a need to answer for suchmoon, suchmoon is the one who seems to accuse me, let suchmoon answer. Your lack of english comprehension seems to be fucking up the thread again. No one accused you of doxxing such moon. Someone said that if you were really worried about possible crimes taking place, you would be concerned about such moon being doxxed because that is the closest thing to a crime that has taken place in this thread. Hopefully you understand that, stop lying, explain what crime we have committed, stop lying, and talk about the useless coin ion. Edit: while I'm making requests, please stop breaking rule 32. |
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 And no, calling some piece of shit ION (behold my skillful on-topic swing) puppetshilltroll a liar is not a crime, not even an imaginary intertubes one. Lets talk about crime. Someone doxed you? Liars don't get to decide what we talk about. This thread is about ION being useless. Please start a new thread for crime talk. Phildo, you are not suchmoon and nobody asked puppetshilltroll to answer for suchmoon. I am not answering for suchmoon, I am talking to you. You are a liar, and you did not start this thread, so you don't get to pick what we talk about. |
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