nice one! thx (but i still think all this glamour of being in worldwide news will be tempting for bahara. but this will take a while. he killed an elephant and gets the trophy. he will want that again. but not directly after the first one. once it got boring again, once the first trophy isn´t shining that golden anymore - then he will want to hit another one. 1 or 2 years from now.) |
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(i did post this in another thread, but it applies:)
i fear the LR bust will have bad consequences mid term. the guys that took LR down will make some big career improvments now. they are getting all this media coverage worldwide. they are heros. their self esteem will skyrocket. they are on the trip of their lives. soon the LR guys will be locked up forever. but the feds want more. they don´t want to sober up, they want more of this. they will look out for more prey. yep bitcoin. they don´t care if it´s decentralized. they will go for the exchanges instead. feds always get what they want. always. (always!) the merit will only be greater when they take down bitcoin, since anyone told them it´s impossible. never underestimete over-eager feds.
i think karpeles surely didn´t like the LR bust. he will contact kim dotcom soon...
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American govt is crossing their limits, They just want to control whole world.
For those who are comparing bitcoin with American dollar (cash) and saying it's a p2p and US govt won't do anything are fool.
If Libertyreserve was hub of criminal payments, Bitcoin is heaven. It was also designed for high anonymity like LR.
they DO control the whole world. or at least most of it. i agree with your statement, though. |
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Yeh we're going up  I personally think this LR news is good and will definitely have an affect i fear the LR bust will have bad consequences mid term. the guys that took LR down will make some big career improvemnts now. they are getting all this media coverage worldwide. they are heros. their self esteem will skyrocket. they are on the trip of their lives. soon the LR guys will be locked up forever. but the feds want more. they don´t want to sober up, they want more of this. they will look out for more prey. yep bitcoin. they don´t care if it´s decentralized. they will go for the exchanges instead. feds always get what they want. always. (always!) the merit will only be greater when they take down bitcoin, since anyone told them it´s impossible. never underestimete over-eager feds. i think karpeles surely didn´t like the LR bust. he will contact kim dotcom soon... |
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Die Zahlungsmethoden in der Szene waren größtenteils LR, ukash und bei größeren Sachen WU.
-LR: ist weg.
-ukash: führt immer mehr Methoden gegen Geldwäsche ein.
-WU hat eher nen anderen Anwender Kreis (größere Summen).
Finde ich eher beunruhigend. Ist keine gute Entwicklung. Hilft langfristig absolut nicht. Gox und Co sollten mehr tun, um solche Leute von ihren Diensten fern zu halten, sonst ergeht es ihnen irgendwann wie LR. Ich meine, Bitcoin ist viel mehr als LR und andere digitalen Pseudowährungen. Ich sehe damit Geschäftsprozesse, die weit außerhalb krimineller Machenschaften liegen. Es wäre tragisch, wenn das Projekt dadurch zurück geworfen würde. Bitcoin selbst ist transparent, aber über Gox und Co. hat man mittels gefakter Accounts diverse Möglichkeiten der Verschleierung. Ich wünsche mir auch, dass uns Gox erhalten bleibt. Zum jetzigen Zeitpunkt ist der Dienst unverzichtbar. Wenn man bedenkt, dass LR einen Umsatz von 6 Milliarden Dollar hatte ist das schon eine schöne Summe. Ukash und WU haben von LR profitiert, weil bei den Exchangern beide als Zahlungsmethode angenommen wurden. Somit muss auch WU langfristig mit einem Einbruch rechnen, obwohl die auf eher größere Summen spezialisiert sind, doch Geldsendungen ab 100 EUR werden dort auch oft ausgeführt. Deswegen denkt auch Western Union an eine Einführung des Bitcoins als Zahlungsmethode. Beunruhigend ist die Sache auf den ersten Blick, wenn man mehr nachdenkt nicht. Bei LR hat der Besitzer extrem von der zentralen virtuellen Währung profitiert, er konnte die Geldmenge steuern. Bei Bitcoin profitieren eigentlich alle Besitzer mehr oder weniger, keiner kann die Geldmenge regulieren. Das seh ich als Pluspunkt, dass das Goverment der USA Bitcoin nicht generell verbieten wird. Börsen können geschlossen werden, aber nur weil diese sich nicht an die Finanzregulationsbestimmungen halten. Bitcoin unterliegt den gleichen Regeln wie der Dollar, ist somit als Devise eingestuft. Liberty Reserve hat diesen Status NIE erreicht, trotzdem hat diese Währung mehr als 6,5 Jahre existiert. Ein weiterer Punkt ist, dass der Bitcoin-Kurs sehr volatil ist, für Nutzer von LR eher kontraproduktiv, der Wert des LR blieb nahezu gleich, kam halt auf den Exchanger drauf an. ich finde der LR bust ist schon ein problem. irgendwelche hohen us-beamten haben gerade den karriere jackpot ihre lebens gezogen. beförderung, lobhudelei in der presse, schulterklopfen der kollegen. DAS MACHT HUNGER AUF MEHR. sobald die LR guys abgeurteilt sind, werden diese leute ihr nächstes ziel anvisieren. "ja aber bitcoin lässt sich ja garnicht verbieten, ist doch dezentral" na klar, dann schliessen sie einfach alle börsen. wenn die feds was wollen, kriegen sie es IMMER. wenn sie bitcoin pulverisieren dann sind die meriten sogar noch größer, denn alle dachten, dass sei nicht möglich. |
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Yes more the demand.. But you have to use the currency to buy stuff for it to be sustainable in the long run.. frankly people are expecting a huge rally somewhere in the future so that they can cash out. fiat.. i mean the whole idea of bitcoin was to get rid of banksters and their manipulated fiat.. kinda defeats the purpose of the whole thing when you convert coins back to fiat.. well its my personal opinion and most people tend to disagree with it..
well no, say price goes up to 10K a bitcoin. All of a sudden I can spend many fractions of a bitcoin to buy lots of stuff, while being able to hold other bitcoins. I posit the higher it goes the more spending you will see, because BTC will have more buying power. agreed. people like to spend way more than they like to safe. buying with bitcoins is even more fun (as long as you bought them cheaper) you keep telling yourself that you could actually not afford this, but... hell, it costs so much less because of the value gain of bitcoin. it´s like getting constant bargains. soon enough you start spending more coins that you have actually bought cheap. bitcoin is THE BEST excuse for shopping.. |
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all those little services guys like you are get going add up to whole new crypto-economy. one day it will be a big economy. every contribution towards that earns my respect.
i read in another thread about a guy who was comparing the early pc days with the current early bitcoin days. they will be comparable in volume and impact in just a few more years.
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thank you all for your advice. I think Smoothie summed it up quite nicely.
However, if you secure yourself and take the necessary precautions, I don't believe you should have any problems with storing online. Security isn't an issue to people who are smart about it.
so what is recommendable? |
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Good question but does not belong in speculation  OPs have the capability to move threads themselves. whether it would riskier ok to leave coins on an exchange for a stop loss order or not while speculating with them for a 12 month time frame trying to avoid loss from a crash does not belong here? |
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let´s say i have 1000 bitcoins and from investors that don´t want to bother with exchanges for 12 months. to keep them safe from theft, they should be stored offline. but if i want to keep a "sell" order about 20% below the current price to minimize the loss in case of crash, those coins need to be at the exchange.
which is the more rational choice ?
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Speaking as someone who is not rich I think there is a silver lining to this logic.
If the low price prevents the wealthy from buying in, then that keeps the price lower for me to buy in deeper until my money and the money of others like me has brought the value to a level where the rich can start buying in.
That works out just perfect.
lol, i like your thought: i decided to invest relatively big after the recent crash. but takes forever to get funds ready. i will finally have done it in about a week or so. THEN it can skyrocket. not before. no. |
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what options are missing?
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very well stated.
just imagine a bitcoin world with dozens of professional decent high volume exchanges. if the price goes up (and it will) we will get those. can´t wait.
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I don't understand people and their linear charts. That's not how Bitcoin works. As the more people adopt, the speed increases exponentially as well as the number of adopters. Bitcoin is a virus, its mechanics are based on it. Nobody's chart ever accounts for viral spread.
Exactly, these charts and lines are so pointless. i see it now! a lot of people think that looking at the rate of adoption it appears as looking at a stock chart. what is a buyer of stocks doing with them ? just waiting for the right moment to sell. but what is a buyer of bitcoins doing with them ? invest in an avalon group buy, play some poker, buy some weed, get the pair of alpacas that you always dreamed of, play some satoshi-d, show your friends, explain your grandma, etc. etc... one of them is just a share of a giant company. the other is real life AND a share of a giant social experiment fueled by a disruptive technology par excellence. |
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Lmao caste 240, kneel beneath me!
i will catch up. rather. |
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You only have 11 posts.
so we know what racism is and we know what sexism is. not very man people know what classism is. what you are doing is postism.... |
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ich kaufe auch gern beim low von 2$ nach der ersten blase nach, aber dann dort richtig!  ich glaube dir, aber es gehört schon eine gehörige portion mut dazu gross einzusteigen, wenn es den kurs so dermassen zerbröselt. ich hatte momente bei dem april-absturz, da befürchtete ich es sei game over und war drauf und dran bei 60 zu verkaufen. |
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