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6981  Other / Meta / Re: Troll takeover? on: January 06, 2015, 05:28:02 AM
IMO the influx of trolling and infighting is due to the fact that STAFF NOW MODERATE TRUST.

Jesus Christ  Roll Eyes. Sigh. It's embarrassing watching you continually spout this nonsense. I cannot believe you actually think the trolls here are a byproduct of staff 'moderating' trust (which they are not). I'm done with you now. You are clearly not rational.

there are 3 types of posters in the speculation sub.
1. To The Moon!
2. Sky Is Falling!
3. Sideways forever!

none of them know what they are talking about.

I don't think anyone does when it comes to the price/valuation. I don't really go/post in the Speculation sub becsuse it seems to be just kids saying the same three things you mentioned day in day out thread after thread.

To be fair there are a few members trying to analyse the market using various tools and I found a (very) few threads in the speculation subforum interesting enough to watch. While the majority falls into the before mentioned three groups there are a few notable exceptions.

People can try make predictions based on charts or other such 'tools' but have any of them ever been even remotely right? I haven't seen any.

Since when do staff moderate trust? I never got that memo... Is it true? Sounds like you got burnt and are taking it out on... Anyone other then yourself. Just my totally unfounded opinion though.

It's a bingo (but now yet another thread derailed by Techshare).
6982  Other / Meta / Re: Redsn0w, negative/neutral/or no trust due to Escrow negligence? on: January 06, 2015, 05:08:41 AM
Why are staff members any different from 'regular' users? They can have valid opinions on this too, but I'm sensing you just don't like staff and the power you think it gives them. There are always two viewpoints to feedback and I'm on the fence on this situation. Is negative justified? Yes. Is it harsh? Possibly. Should it stay? Depends on what redsnow is planning. Many people have concerns about his ability to escrow and that has now been voiced after his error. Yes, the error was unfortunate and relatively small but one that still almost cost someone money and likely would have had a big, bad staff member not stepped in to sort it.

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If they try to also police the trust they also bring their baggage from dealing with scammers, trolls, and spammers all day and act callously with little regard for anyone involved, and with little thought, because by their own admission they don't have time to be doing this.

This can apply to regular members too. In fact isn't this pretty much exactly what happend in your case as you got annoyed by someone you thought was troling/harassing you?
6983  Other / Meta / Re: question about bitcointalk forum on: January 06, 2015, 05:02:21 AM
Hello every one

I want to ask that how many account can we create on this forum is there any limit.
Will we banned for creating multiple account.

Thanks

You can technically have as many accounts as you wish, but please take note of the following: if you post rubbish or make poor quality contributions from them you'll very likely risk getting them all banned.
6984  Other / Meta / Re: Replacing DefaultTrust on: January 06, 2015, 04:50:21 AM
It is really amazing to me that with all the ACTUAL ABUSE of the trust system by people like VOD and other "scambusters" going completely ignored, you feel as if my one use of trust that you didn't approve of personally was "blackmail" and and unforgivable attempt to "extort" another user to "shut up". You are taking quite a few liberties with your narrative, in addition to claiming the psychic abilities to know what happens in my mind.

Other instances of abuse doesn't validate yours or invalidate the decision against you. I think vod has over-stepped the mark a few times recently but he will usually do something to remedy it. You didn't. 

You aren't explaining anything, just making up some bullshit narrative to justify your overreaction, vitriol, and attempt to invalidate any of my valid complaints. It is very clear that you are unable to control your emotional state regarding this issue and this has become a personal mission for you.

The only person here with a bullshit narrative and who is 'unable to control their emotional state' is you and I don't have a personal mission (unlike you) but I'm just responding to your bullshit.  You just can't look at this from any other angle and attempt to pass the blame on to others who may or may not be abusing the system. Regardless of that, you still abused it. Is it unforgivable? No, but you could've sorted this out all by yourself but you acted stubbornly and immaturely and are continuing to do do. 

Furthermore you act as if there is no gap between "a noob with three posts" and the trust list level, this is another glaring misrepresentation.

You can add a 3-post newb to your trust list if you want, but I don't think that's the sort of behaviour people on the default trust list should have, especially when it is quite clear that person has only been trusted to boost their own feedback. Stop trying to distract from the point at hand. 

If you bothered to actually consider what I said in my posts between your hyperventilating[...]

jaded angry children

No, I've considered it. You're the only hyperventilating jaded, angry child here. One that by the looks of it is never going to stop throwing a temper tantrum all over the place until he gets his own way. 

you would see I am asking for people on the "default list" to have LESS POWER to completely destroy people, and along with that there should be a corresponding removal of any officially staff run trust moderation.

I don't see how this system would work. The current one works fine as long as we have rational people who can handle their position responsibly and when they can't they get rightfully removed, but of course people will either love or hate certain staff or people being in control when things do or don't go their way. Armis is probably quite thankful they stepped in for this instance. 

This lessens a single individuals ability to burn a user singlehandedly, and also removes the ability for random trolls to create infighting and extort trusted users simply trying to protect their HARD EARNED trust by making endless false complaints.

This is your biggest mistake. You think you earned the right to abuse your position and it's irrelevant because your trust and trade history has been left untouched only your ability to leave such trusted feedbacks has been revoked, but that was your own wrong doing. 

You claim you don't want the default trust used as a blackmailing tool, but you only want to stop the abuse from ONE DIRECTION, and it just to happens to be a form of abuse you will never personally suffer from because you have all kinds of fun moderator buttons at your fingertips. The REST OF US have to use the tools we have available. If the default trust can be used by more powerful members to negate a users trust ratings, and if trust is moderated IN ANY WAY, then the default trust can ACTUALLY be used to extort users into compliance by ANYONE making a complaint about a rating. Of course since you are staff that will never be a issue for you because you are in the boys club, so why should anyone else be protected from this form of extortion?  

What fun buttons are those? The ability to move threads? Whoop-de-doo. Moderators can't do much on this forum apart from that and if we abused our power in even the slightest infraction I'm sure we'd have to account for it.  And besides, I have - or you had - the same power as me as does anyone who is on defaultrust and if I abused it in the same fashion as you did I would likely be removed from the list and maybe even as a moderator, that is of course unless I would be willing to see the error of my ways and compromise, which you didn't do. The difference between me and you is I can likely handle the situation maturely without having to resort to feedback abuse in an attempt to get somecone to do what I want (which is what you did by your own admission). Someone wants to troll or harass or state I'm selling something overpriced? Go right ahead. I can rise above it or deal with it without resorting to the feedback system. 

Maybe we should just agree to disagree because this isn't going to ever go anywhere. You think you're right and hard done by and I think you over-reacted and used the system as blackmail and clearly neither of us are going to change our opinion on the subject but I'm getting bored of rephrasing the same old argument to your rehashed points especially over such a petty matter and I'm sure you feel the same. 
6985  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Marc Andreessen’s 26 Twitter Posts (Jan 5) on: January 06, 2015, 03:40:25 AM
Great words. Very well said and I think paints a fair picture of the scene.

The TL/DR version is:  HODL.

Haha. Agreed. I think bitcoin will benefit from being highly speculative in its early stages (which I believe we are still in), but it's likely it will - or at least I hope it will - stabilise at some point in the future to be seen as a valid currency/store of value. I just hope when it does it's worth much more than it is now  Cheesy.
6986  Other / Meta / Re: Troll takeover? on: January 06, 2015, 03:33:13 AM
there are 3 types of posters in the speculation sub.
1. To The Moon!
2. Sky Is Falling!
3. Sideways forever!

none of them know what they are talking about.

I don't think anyone does when it comes to the price/valuation. I don't really go/post in the Speculation sub becsuse it seems to be just kids saying the same three things you mentioned day in day out thread after thread.
6987  Economy / Services / Re: Silver Wallets Signature Campaign on: January 06, 2015, 03:02:58 AM
They do look pretty sweet and this campaign was a nice and unique addition to all the others. If I wasn't a loyal PrimeDice participant I would've been all over this campaign  Grin. Hope to see it return in the future at some point. Maybe you could consider longer term deals to get more exposure or something?
6988  Other / Meta / Re: Redsn0w, negative/neutral/or no trust due to Escrow negligence? on: January 06, 2015, 02:52:12 AM
Thanks guys for yours opinion , in this forum I've learned if you make a mistake you will receive a ~negative feedback ( also if the "mistake" has been "recovered). It is strange , but it is how it works here. If the account has not been recovered I will sure would paid him , because I didn't want to ruin my reputation for 0.80 bitcoin.  However , sorry for the "trouble" that I've generated here, and thanks again.

Mistakes can cost people a lot of money here and people are right to question your ability as an escrow. It's easy to say in retrospect that you would've paid but your previous comments make me not so certain. 0.8 isn't much and it's possible you would have just paid it to save your rep but what if a signature campaign or an ipo goes bad next time where there's a lot more money at stake?
6989  Other / Meta / Re: The Trader ratings system need's SOME sort of checks and Balances on: January 06, 2015, 02:43:27 AM
The people on default trust are expected to have a certain level of maturity and professionalize themselves for being in a position of "power". That's how they get themselves on the default trust list most of the time which is why issues are kept at a minimum.  

I think that's the plan and it would/does work well but when a few people on there have huge trust lists and they add everyone who has left them feedback it really dilutes the quality of the list and opens it up massively to issues and abuse. If you don't reasonably trust someone and aren't willing to partially stake your rep on the line in doing so you really shouldn't add someone to your trusted list.
6990  Other / Meta / Re: Troll takeover? on: January 06, 2015, 02:34:09 AM
Man, is it just me or has this whole forum been taken over by trolls shouting "the sky is falling" in the last few days?

What gives folks?



Have you not seen the price? That's why.

It is paid beartards trying to drive the price down by scaring people. Trust your own judgement.

Well, I dont think they are paid to spread FUD. But, I think, they are frustrated due to the recent price fall. These people never had the time to read the whitepaper and thought bitcoin is a get rich quick scheme. So, they bought some coins and as the price is low for a while, they are getting hyper.

It's probably a little of both, during these "down" times it seems like alot of people try to spread FUD to drive/keep prices down so they can buy more.

Yeah I agree. Some people just get excited by the activity, though some people have an agenda or just like to troll. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if some people are getting paid to troll/AstroTurf.


Many abuse signature campaigns. I see accounts writing 2-3 line comments that on superficial inspection seem to be fine but actually show the poster has not even read the thread and/or understands the subject.

This is one of the things I look for, but it can be hard to spot just from looking at a post history, usually requires reading or participating in the thread they post in. You should report it.

As BadBear said you can report people who are seemingly just posting the bare minimum but remember newbs are always going to newb and you don't need to write an essay for each individual post, but I agree with you if people are just putting next to no effort in but this can happen with or without signature campaigns and usually a warning or short temp ban will make them reconsider their contributions.
6991  Other / Meta / Re: Redsn0w, negative/neutral/or no trust due to Escrow negligence? on: January 06, 2015, 02:23:50 AM
Do you think your feedback is "right" ? Why don't change it to neutral as the other users done ?  I think I don't deserve the negative feedback , it is this the problem.

I'm not offering more new escrow service here , and it is obviously if one want deal with me he has to check my history profile ( as all the users make to the other users before start  a deal).

You're not offering them currently but have admitted you may in the future and I think it's very likely you will, and in that case the feedback is an apt warning. What he wrote seems accurate and fair:

Refused to take personal responsibility when he messed up an transaction he was handling escrow for. The situation resolved itself because of a policy exception by a forum administrator.

He may be a honest person however should not be trusted to hold funds for others nor to handle any kind of escrow.


I agree with what he said and think you're likely a decent person but you did refuse to answer certain questions which makes me question your suitability as an escrow and for that reason I wouldn't trust you as one and would advise using someone else and I think his feedback is a valuable warning to others in this case so they can take it into consideration.

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If it's justifiable and there is genuine concern, but if it isn't the feedback will very likely get brought up here and the reasoning questioned much like this thread now. If people abuse the feedback system over personal issues it usually comes back to bite them.

In this case his negative feedback is not right , as moreia told (he was involved in "first  row").

How so? Just because he wasn't involved and moreia has forgiven you doesn't invalidate your mistake or the concerns that arose from it.

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Yes I believe my feedback is right. You have asked me many times, and I was threatened with negative feedback to remove it. Trust me if there was a doubt that it was right I would have removed it a long time ago and admitted my mistake.

My trust rating for you is not going to stop anyone from trading with you. At the very most it would cause someone to want to use escrow while trading with you, however even the most reputable people are willing to accept escrow

edit: I personally think the people who have left neutral feedback is incorrect

I think the negative feedback was right if I went away from the run or "bad"  I've lost  forever the moreia's account , but this is not the case. I'm still here , and the account was recovered.

But we never got the chance to see what happened if the situation wasn't resolved by BadBear. You yourself admitted you don't know what you would have done so you could've 'run' had it not been resolved. What if you lose a 10btc deal next time? You may run then rather than have to pay it back out of your own pocket. Should the feedback be removed until this happens again to see how you will react? I don't think it should.
6992  Other / Meta / Re: Redsn0w, negative/neutral/or no trust due to Escrow negligence? on: January 06, 2015, 02:00:09 AM
If I don't trust you , should I leave you a negative feedback ? Is this how the trust system works now ?

If it's justifiable and there is genuine concern, but if it isn't the feedback will very likely get brought up here and the reasoning questioned much like this thread now. If people abuse the feedback system over personal issues it usually comes back to bite them.

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I said may start in the future and you're still currently offering services regardless. Do you plan to keep doing so after the terms expire of these current jobs or are you planning to restart your service in the future because this is the concern?

Obviously not, I'm trying to finish this two "escrow" services and  when the  campaign and findcoin project will finish  I will stop ( and maybe one day  I will restart , but not for deal involved forum accounts .. it is not secure and not fairness).

It's not obvious and it's still a concern that you are still considering the escrow once this all blows over. Just because you won't do accounts anymore isn't the problem. What happens if you screw up on something else and make an even costlier mistake? The issue here was your error not that accounts are insecure (they're pretty secure once handled right).
6993  Other / Meta / Re: Is the Service Announcements board too cluttered with new faucets? on: January 06, 2015, 01:44:53 AM
Haha agreed with biz. Though I agree places can get messy with this stuff creating their own subs also seems unnecesary and you'd likely notice how little of this stuff there actually is and wouldn't justify having their own sections if they were to actually be moved into newly created ones.
6994  Other / Meta / Re: How long does it take to become a Legendary Member? on: January 06, 2015, 01:39:15 AM
hm wait, but you probaly still need atleast 480 (hero) right?

You need a minimum of 775 posts/activity for Legendary, but even that is not guaranteed as the time is random when you achieve the level so could be much more than that.
6995  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: ★☆★777coin.com★☆★ ► Try your luck, go for that prize! ► Free mBTC! ► Play Now! on: January 06, 2015, 01:35:01 AM
hilariousandco

Thanks.
6996  Other / Meta / Re: How to gain reputation on: January 06, 2015, 01:28:35 AM
How to gain reputation? Easy. Become reputable. If you can use PayPal that also means you have the cash. People wont use PP because it's easily reversible. I've seen DannyHamilton offer to sell bitcoins for cash in the post before so I'm sure you could find someone to do the deal on here that way. Make a thread in the Currency Exchange with how you can pay and see what happens (but obviously don't send your money to untrusted newbs or use a reputable escrow if needed).

And don't stay a Newbie!

I second this, very good advice.
...and actually, OP, don't even post looking for reputation. Vod is going to come find you and leave you negative trust! Roll Eyes

Trust system is changing.  That won't be my job anymore soon! 

It was a proposal I think. Not sure it's definitely changing yet.
6997  Other / Meta / Re: Redsn0w, negative/neutral/or no trust due to Escrow negligence? on: January 06, 2015, 01:23:49 AM
I have not start nothing , I'm continue to manage  the sig. campaigna as before and I've aske them if they want me as "manager" and they said : yes.

I said may start in the future and you're still currently offering services regardless. Do you plan to keep doing so after the terms expire of these current jobs or are you planning to restart your service in the future because this is the concern?
6998  Other / Meta / Re: Redsn0w, negative/neutral/or no trust due to Escrow negligence? on: January 06, 2015, 01:04:26 AM
PS: I am doing this as a friend of Redsn0w and because I don't believe he is at the wrong in this matter.

It does seem like a conflict of interest if he's your friend and it's arguable as to whether redsnow is deserved of this trust but he did do something wrong regardless and I think he lucked out greatly on the situation. I think it was only a matter of time before something like this happened and could've been much worse and we never got to find out what red ultimately would have done had the account been lost. Redsnow stated a couple of times that he he himself didn't know what he would do if BadBear hadn't've of stepped in and couldn't answer whether he would've paid back the money which is a bit disturbing since he is meant to be guaranteeing it. That being said, he did close his escrow of his own accord which showed maturity but it also seems that he may start his escrow again at some point in the future which may not be a good idea for reasons already stated and in that case the feedback may be a good warning for people to use caution. The trust currently doesn't leave him marked as untrustworthy either but an orange warning which may by apt for the reason just stated.
6999  Other / Meta / Re: Replacing DefaultTrust on: January 05, 2015, 05:26:08 PM
^^ On top of this, I'd personally implement not being able to remove feedback?

Why? What if you're wrong or you change your mind? Feedbacks aren't always for scamming and people can always change or improve over time.

If you change your mind, you'd simply leave another +1 or -1, respectively.

But what if what you left is completely wrong? Or you made a typo  Cheesy.
7000  Other / Meta / Re: posts/activity on: January 05, 2015, 05:06:47 PM
You can read over this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495948.0

You get a max of 14 activity points every two week period. Next period starts tomorrow and you can get another 14 then. Activity is what defines your member group and you can move up ranks the more you get.
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