Who wants to hear a funny story? So, I PMed blackarrow on ecointalk asking him if he could please address my questions in this thread when he posts his weekly update: http://ecointalk.net/topic/523-question-for-blackarrow-to-answer/Instead, he asks for my order number. He asked me previously when he refused to answer my questions because he wanted to confirm that I was indeed a customer. So I gave him my order number to prove I'm a paying customer and for him to address my questions. Instead, the next PM I receive from him says he's cancelling my order. Never did I once ask him to cancel my order. And he still hasn't been back online to see my PMs telling him not to cancel my order and that all I wanted was answers. And now bobsag3 has been ignoring my PMs all day as well. Funny story, huh? Edit : Blackarrow finally got back to me and said my order won't be cancelled. |
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How can the miners be ready but the "extra features" be in beta? Can the miners ship without the features? Or is it something physical that needs to ship with the miner? (In which case, the miners would be delayed till the extra features are ready)
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Definitely doesn't sound like they'll be ready to ship May 1
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So they are mining at around 15TH/s as we speak. What are they using to mine? Bitfurries? And why isn't that mining power being allocated to their customers?
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I don't know whether to post this, sorry if it seems rude, but I feel I must say it as a potential customer... Why can't you use your talents to develop something using the ASIC platform? I for one am waiting for the dust to settle and will be looking to buy into ASIC technology once there are units on warehouse shelves. I am not particularly interested in massive profits, just a little profit plus the satisfaction of mining for the resilience of the network. I am under the impression that the Avalon's custom ASIC chips are/will be available in bulk to people such as yourselves, and the developers specifically want this technology to be distributed. The issue of electricity cost vs. mining revenue will be making new investment into FPGAs too risky for me, sorry  Power consumption is not such a big issue for FPGA. They use only a little bit more than ASIC. As many times as I've read similar, Roger Ver should erect a billboard depicting such verbiage. You guys want to see an amazing graph?: https://blockchain.info/charts/received-per-day?address=1JTNXgcVCMXhQrLEE9XW71fQjJN1uQpWf7It stems from one of Black Arrow's wallet address: https://blockchain.info/address/1JTNXgcVCMXhQrLEE9XW71fQjJN1uQpWf7 They better hope that that's not their only wallet, otherwise they're in a heap of trouble. This is how I found it: http://web.archive.org/web/20130428000608/http://www.cardreaderfactory.com/shop/lancelot.htmlFirst deposit was on Oct. 19, 2012, and currently has $78,472.50 USD in it for anybody seeking a refund from Black Arrow. And, if that's not enough, you'll soon learn once you visit the address above that Black Arrow is garnering 5 BTC every two days via mining income while its investomers are in a holding pattern till May. Doing some quick math, that'll be 5 X 30 X 600 = ~$90,000 USD he'll receive during the next 60 days, while his investomers will only be earning (more quick math, so please check my work) 0 X 0 X 600 X (# of rigs ordered) = 0 during the same timeframe. Now, I'm no MENSA dude, but to me the investomer's ROI is not looking too good at this penning, while Black Arrow is swimming in bitcoins, all the while checking his margins to see if he could honor any refunds. Perhaps, it's just some Romanian thing, and I'm simply a fuckin' idiot wasting my life away on this here laptop living in my dead mother's van down by the up-the-creek-sans-a-paddle. ~TMI BTCITW Post this in the main thread. |
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Or, hell, go visit their office since they offered.
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The only way left that it could be a scam would be if they make the miners and keep them for themselves instead of shipping them. In which case, we'll burn bobsag3 at the stake for not getting us our miners lol.
And that's not very likely considering it would be more profitable to have a good reputation and sell more miners in the future rather than invest all this time and energy into such an elaborate "scam".
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So are you saying that the people at Verisilicon - who personally confirmed tapeout to me directly - are in on this scam?
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Glad that you appeared. Since "jimmothy" mentioned someone emailed Verisilicon, I've been searching for this piece of evidence. Could you please show us (again, if you had already done so, sorry) the details of the correspondence with Verisilicon? I'd like to examine it (in details) in a fair manner. Start here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=294197.msg5123598#msg5123598and keep reading til I mentioned that it's been put to rest. |
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So are you saying that the people at Verisilicon - who personally confirmed tapeout to me directly - are in on this scam?
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There's no proof for that, but I'm pretty confident that that's how it would go, as well. They want it both ways. (As evidenced in the Hashfast refund issues)
I'm not trying to defend anyone against anything but I think we have a few months to go before we enter Hashfast Territory, in any sense, if at all. Yeah, at least we've got proof of impending tapeout. |
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Just a quick question... I paid in bitcoin, IF I were to request a refund would I get back $6000 worth of btc or just my btc back? Seeing as the recent price drop and all....
According to minersource, you would only get back the same number of coins you paid. So, you'd lose a lot of the value. Now, if the value of bitcoin was much higher right now, I think they'd probably be more than happy to give you back less coins to adjust for the current value. It's a lose-lose scenario. WTF, is that true? I haven't written a single bad word about BA/minersource but if this is true it's that's just a scam by bobsag3. What a scumbag Refunds in BTC are the best way to go. You gave someone 2 BTC, your refund should be 2 BTC. Yes, but that's not the case. You think bobsag3 would refund your btc if they were worth 2k? I have no idea if he would. He should. These companies shouldn't be treated as currency exchanges. You buy in dollars you should be refunded in the same dollars. You buy in BTC you should be refunded in BTC. That'd be fine if the BTC price they charge was static; instead, it fluctuates with the current exchange rate. So... they're basing it off of the dollar when they decide how many BTC to charge you. I'm ok with that. If I don't like the price (be it dollars or BTC) I don't have to 'buy'. This is just my opinion and probably isn't worth .02 :-) You don't understand that Bob is shafting you either way? Btc worth 500 = you get your 6 btc back that you paid for an x-3 when price was higher. Btc 2k? Sure, I'll refund you! Since price have doubled you will only get 3 btc though.. *sorry* Completely disgusting scam There's no proof for that, but I'm pretty confident that that's how it would go, as well. They want it both ways. (As evidenced in the Hashfast refund issues) |
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Would you also be okay with them refunding less bitcoins if the price was higher right now compared to when the purchase was made?
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Just a quick question... I paid in bitcoin, IF I were to request a refund would I get back $6000 worth of btc or just my btc back? Seeing as the recent price drop and all....
According to minersource, you would only get back the same number of coins you paid. So, you'd lose a lot of the value. Now, if the value of bitcoin was much higher right now, I think they'd probably be more than happy to give you back less coins to adjust for the current value. It's a lose-lose scenario. WTF, is that true? I haven't written a single bad word about BA/minersource but if this is true it's that's just a scam by bobsag3. What a scumbag Refunds in BTC are the best way to go. You gave someone 2 BTC, your refund should be 2 BTC. Yes, but that's not the case. You think bobsag3 would refund your btc if they were worth 2k? I have no idea if he would. He should. These companies shouldn't be treated as currency exchanges. You buy in dollars you should be refunded in the same dollars. You buy in BTC you should be refunded in BTC. That'd be fine if the BTC price they charge was static; instead, it fluctuates with the current exchange rate. So... they're basing it off of the dollar when they decide how many BTC to charge you. |
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Just a quick question... I paid in bitcoin, IF I were to request a refund would I get back $6000 worth of btc or just my btc back? Seeing as the recent price drop and all....
According to minersource, you would only get back the same number of coins you paid. So, you'd lose a lot of the value. Now, if the value of bitcoin was much higher right now, I think they'd probably be more than happy to give you back less coins to adjust for the current value. It's a lose-lose scenario. |
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Bobsag most likely not respond to any delay notices, because you already know of the delay...
I agree, that you would like something from him... just hang tight, he does deliver at the end of the day.
i've sent him some emails in which he has not responded, at the end of the day, i found my answers else where.
What bothers me is that they keep saying they have fixed the problem and will reply to questions faster, but it never seems to be true. Why say the new accounts will be created in 72 hours when you know they won't be? Sigh... They've begun to post updates on their facebook page, and posted that in the coming weeks they would have emails being sent out. These updates on facebook began on Feb 12th, 72 hours after Feb 9th. In addition to the posted: We will be vastly improving our CS, with a new Email System, Ticket system, imported database (sorry its taking so long!), Facebook / Twitter (Soon!) teams. We hope this will vastly improve our CS, and connect with our valuable customers. We will be having weekly updates from BA now posted to at least Facebook, with a Email Wide, and Twitter following in the next few weeks. https://www.facebook.com/minersourceHey, Thanks, yes, I'm aware. I've had it set to receive notifications whenever a new post is made. How much longer do you think it will take? Thanks. |
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Bobsag most likely not respond to any delay notices, because you already know of the delay...
I agree, that you would like something from him... just hang tight, he does deliver at the end of the day.
i've sent him some emails in which he has not responded, at the end of the day, i found my answers else where.
What bothers me is that they keep saying they have fixed the problem and will reply to questions faster, but it never seems to be true. Why say the new accounts will be created in 72 hours when you know they won't be? Sigh... |
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Bobsag, I thought you would be sending out a mass email to your customers about the compensation package and other updates? When was this going to happen?
Waiting on this as well. We were told on Feb 9 to expect it to be done in 72 hours (3 days). It's been 120+ hours. |
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Time to put this shit to rest once and for all!  Sorry for doubting you BA; but your support still does suck.  |
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They only confirmed publicly stated info by BA, nothing secret that is in the NDA. I know your heart is in the right place. Call the China offices and report back with your results. Otherwise, you are just being a fudster.
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