Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[ikevin8me]

Black Arrow is very likely to be a massive SCAM OPERATION:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469005.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469017.0

[raskul]

Black Arrow is very likely to be a massive SCAM OPERATION:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469005.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469017.0

aha! I see a SPAM operation, is all I see.

[RHA]

Yes, it looks like he hasn't read this whole thread. A several last pages is not enough.
Wait... He hasn't read even the last pages, where was the confirmation from Verisilicon.

[sirsmokesalot]

You know who is shipping miners in two weeks for just 5.50 a Ghs? Bitmaintech. Step yo game up BA, shit!

[Unacceptable]

You know who is shipping miners in two weeks for just 5.50 a Ghs? Bitmaintech. Step yo game up BA, shit!

LOL,I already got my 400+GH mining & another 180 on the way + the 150GH I had mining & my GPU altcoin farm 

No more preorders for me 

[jimmothy]

You know who is shipping miners in two weeks for just 5.50 a Ghs? Bitmaintech. Step yo game up BA, shit!

BA is ~2/gh

asicminer next gen is less than 2/gh

bitmain is gonna have to step up their game.

[MANofthePEOPLE]

Just a quick question... I paid in bitcoin, IF I were to request a refund would I get back $6000 worth of btc or just my btc back? Seeing as the recent price drop and all....

According to minersource, you would only get back the same number of coins you paid. So, you'd lose a lot of the value. Now, if the value of bitcoin was much higher right now, I think they'd probably be more than happy to give you back less coins to adjust for the current value. It's a lose-lose scenario.

WTF, is that true? I haven't written a single bad word about BA/minersource but if this is true it's that's just a scam by bobsag3. What a scumbag

[nexus99]

Just a quick question... I paid in bitcoin, IF I were to request a refund would I get back $6000 worth of btc or just my btc back? Seeing as the recent price drop and all....

According to minersource, you would only get back the same number of coins you paid. So, you'd lose a lot of the value. Now, if the value of bitcoin was much higher right now, I think they'd probably be more than happy to give you back less coins to adjust for the current value. It's a lose-lose scenario.

WTF, is that true? I haven't written a single bad word about BA/minersource but if this is true it's that's just a scam by bobsag3. What a scumbag

Refunds in BTC are the best way to go. You gave someone 2 BTC, your refund should be 2 BTC.

[MANofthePEOPLE]

Just a quick question... I paid in bitcoin, IF I were to request a refund would I get back $6000 worth of btc or just my btc back? Seeing as the recent price drop and all....

According to minersource, you would only get back the same number of coins you paid. So, you'd lose a lot of the value. Now, if the value of bitcoin was much higher right now, I think they'd probably be more than happy to give you back less coins to adjust for the current value. It's a lose-lose scenario.

WTF, is that true? I haven't written a single bad word about BA/minersource but if this is true it's that's just a scam by bobsag3. What a scumbag

Refunds in BTC are the best way to go. You gave someone 2 BTC, your refund should be 2 BTC.

Yes, but that's not the case. You think bobsag3 would refund your btc if they were worth 2k?

[nexus99]

Just a quick question... I paid in bitcoin, IF I were to request a refund would I get back $6000 worth of btc or just my btc back? Seeing as the recent price drop and all....

According to minersource, you would only get back the same number of coins you paid. So, you'd lose a lot of the value. Now, if the value of bitcoin was much higher right now, I think they'd probably be more than happy to give you back less coins to adjust for the current value. It's a lose-lose scenario.

WTF, is that true? I haven't written a single bad word about BA/minersource but if this is true it's that's just a scam by bobsag3. What a scumbag

Refunds in BTC are the best way to go. You gave someone 2 BTC, your refund should be 2 BTC.

Yes, but that's not the case. You think bobsag3 would refund your btc if they were worth 2k?

I have no idea if he would. He should. These companies shouldn't be treated as currency exchanges. You buy in dollars you should be refunded in the same dollars. You buy in BTC you should be refunded in BTC.

[nexus99]

Just a quick question... I paid in bitcoin, IF I were to request a refund would I get back $6000 worth of btc or just my btc back? Seeing as the recent price drop and all....

According to minersource, you would only get back the same number of coins you paid. So, you'd lose a lot of the value. Now, if the value of bitcoin was much higher right now, I think they'd probably be more than happy to give you back less coins to adjust for the current value. It's a lose-lose scenario.

WTF, is that true? I haven't written a single bad word about BA/minersource but if this is true it's that's just a scam by bobsag3. What a scumbag

Refunds in BTC are the best way to go. You gave someone 2 BTC, your refund should be 2 BTC.

Yes, but that's not the case. You think bobsag3 would refund your btc if they were worth 2k?

I have no idea if he would. He should. These companies shouldn't be treated as currency exchanges. You buy in dollars you should be refunded in the same dollars. You buy in BTC you should be refunded in BTC.

That'd be fine if the BTC price they charge was static; instead, it fluctuates with the current exchange rate. So... they're basing it off of the dollar when they decide how many BTC to charge you.

I'm ok with that. If I don't like the price (be it dollars or BTC) I don't have to 'buy'. This is just my opinion and probably isn't worth .02 :-)

[drewage]

Just a quick question... I paid in bitcoin, IF I were to request a refund would I get back $6000 worth of btc or just my btc back? Seeing as the recent price drop and all....

According to minersource, you would only get back the same number of coins you paid. So, you'd lose a lot of the value. Now, if the value of bitcoin was much higher right now, I think they'd probably be more than happy to give you back less coins to adjust for the current value. It's a lose-lose scenario.

WTF, is that true? I haven't written a single bad word about BA/minersource but if this is true it's that's just a scam by bobsag3. What a scumbag

Refunds in BTC are the best way to go. You gave someone 2 BTC, your refund should be 2 BTC.

Yes, but that's not the case. You think bobsag3 would refund your btc if they were worth 2k?

I have no idea if he would. He should. These companies shouldn't be treated as currency exchanges. You buy in dollars you should be refunded in the same dollars. You buy in BTC you should be refunded in BTC.

That'd be fine if the BTC price they charge was static; instead, it fluctuates with the current exchange rate. So... they're basing it off of the dollar when they decide how many BTC to charge you.

This is a problem with no clear solution for if they refunded you in dollars today and btc goes to $1000.00/btc tonight some people will be pissed they weren't refunded in btc.  The hashfast thread has the reverse situation where customers want refunds in btc and hashfast is talking about refunding them in dollars and the customers are pissed about that because btc was $50-100 when they bought their machines.

[nexus99]

Would you also be okay with them refunding less bitcoins if the price was higher right now compared to when the purchase was made?

I would want a refund amount equal to what I gave them. I've got 600 GH/s on pre order with them. If I ever decide i want a refund I'll want the exact amount of BTC I gave them back.

[MANofthePEOPLE]

Just a quick question... I paid in bitcoin, IF I were to request a refund would I get back $6000 worth of btc or just my btc back? Seeing as the recent price drop and all....

According to minersource, you would only get back the same number of coins you paid. So, you'd lose a lot of the value. Now, if the value of bitcoin was much higher right now, I think they'd probably be more than happy to give you back less coins to adjust for the current value. It's a lose-lose scenario.

WTF, is that true? I haven't written a single bad word about BA/minersource but if this is true it's that's just a scam by bobsag3. What a scumbag

Refunds in BTC are the best way to go. You gave someone 2 BTC, your refund should be 2 BTC.

Yes, but that's not the case. You think bobsag3 would refund your btc if they were worth 2k?

I have no idea if he would. He should. These companies shouldn't be treated as currency exchanges. You buy in dollars you should be refunded in the same dollars. You buy in BTC you should be refunded in BTC.

That'd be fine if the BTC price they charge was static; instead, it fluctuates with the current exchange rate. So... they're basing it off of the dollar when they decide how many BTC to charge you.

I'm ok with that. If I don't like the price (be it dollars or BTC) I don't have to 'buy'. This is just my opinion and probably isn't worth .02 :-)

You don't understand that Bob is shafting you either way? Btc worth 500 = you get your 6 btc back that you paid for an x-3 when price was higher.

Btc 2k? Sure, I'll refund you! Since price have doubled you will only get 3 btc though.. *sorry*

Completely disgusting scam

[jimmothy]

Best way would be to keep all funds in original currency and pay back in same currency. But I doubt this is the case since BA required some preorder funds for nre.

[drewage]

There's no proof for that, but I'm pretty confident that that's how it would go, as well. They want it both ways. (As evidenced in the Hashfast refund issues)

I'm not trying to defend anyone against anything but I think we have a few months to go before we enter Hashfast Territory, in any sense, if at all.

[drewage]

There's no proof for that, but I'm pretty confident that that's how it would go, as well. They want it both ways. (As evidenced in the Hashfast refund issues)

I'm not trying to defend anyone against anything but I think we have a few months to go before we enter Hashfast Territory, in any sense, if at all.

Yeah, at least we've got proof of impending tapeout.

That and technically they haven't missed the ship date yet, though they have said they're going to, and Hashfast was nearly 4 months late from the original ship date and they still haven't fulfilled batch 1 completely.  So BA has a long way to fall yet, in spite of the disappointments.   

[jimmothy]

There's no proof for that, but I'm pretty confident that that's how it would go, as well. They want it both ways. (As evidenced in the Hashfast refund issues)

I'm not trying to defend anyone against anything but I think we have a few months to go before we enter Hashfast Territory, in any sense, if at all.

Yeah, at least we've got proof of impending tapeout.

That and technically they haven't missed the ship date yet, though they have said they're going to, and Hashfast was nearly 4 months late from the original ship date and they still haven't fulfilled batch 1 completely.  So BA has a long way to fall yet, in spite of the disappointments.   

Don't forget about hashfast promising miner protection and never actually shipping it and BA offering compensation for delays even though it was never part of the deal.

And assuming everything goes according to plan the chips will be more powerful and efficient than original specs.

[mr.minhghi]

Hi guys, does anyone know how to request a refund from Minersource.com?

[jimmothy]

Hi guys, does anyone know how to request a refund from Minersource.com?

Send them an email.