Look, this back and forth is just stupid. When people argue in a forum no one wins. Somebody just do it and post their results. If you think you can put a higher voltage in, then do it an prove it. If you don't think it will work, or you don't want to risk destroying your Blade, then don't do it.
Just quit the senseless arguing over opinions.
+1 NO. This is not how electronics work. Do not use anything but 12V.
What do you know about electronics? What's the P/N of the DC/DC Regulator? You might very well be able to throw 24VDC at it. Applying 24VDC to a regulator expecting 12VDC is never a good idea. The purpose behind a regulator is to produce a consistant output even with minor variations in the input. This generally means you can work with 10-14VDC and see no ill effects, but expecting it to reliably work when you double the voltage is not exactly smart. +1 This guy is nuts....I'm not here to be confrontational. Just saying man IF the regulator supports 10-24 or some other arbitrary range you CAN input that voltage. End of story. And if you do have a masters then you should know this...
If my car had wings, it could attempt to fly. It doesn't, so it can't. We're not talking about theoreticals, we have blades. That guy was saying it was okay to another user to put 24V into his blade - NOT 'could an electronic device handle 24V'. He was risking someone elses hardware. Look at the original question that was asked:
As far as power, I can get the same effect applying 24 volts correct?
I have 24 volt - 15 amp lab power supply that I'd like to use.
At 24 Volts it should take 5 amps per to get the 120 watts.
Or am I way off base?
Not a theoretical, can my blade take 24V? [answer no, other guy claiming yes *sigh*] |
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Wait what? You just answered a question that was never asked, and is totally irrelevant to the issue in hand. I raise you a fucking masters in engineering if you want to play that game...
See below.
As far as power, I can get the same effect applying 24 volts correct?
I have 24 volt - 15 amp lab power supply that I'd like to use.
At 24 Volts it should take 5 amps per to get the 120 watts.
Or am I way off base?
NO. This is not how electronics work. Do not use anything but 12V. So tell us again about a question that was never asked? LOL. Yes we are aware of V=IR and P=IV, thanks for that nursery level electronics. The debate is whether you can feed in 24V into a 12V blade without blowing it up - which you can't. |
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blades require 12V ONLY.
Prove it, should be simple. EDIT: Real proof. Not some hearsay BS. Wait, remind me why I care again? I don't. Why don't you prove otherwise seeing as you're the one claiming hearsay BS. Technically dropt is correct. The blade has something called a voltage regulator (DC-DC). This device takes the input voltage and provides the correct output voltage. It has a certain efficiency as there will be a loss of current for providing a lower voltage than recommended and if the voltage is higher than recommended it must dissipate this extra wattage as heat. Use Ohms law for a guesstimate of potential loss/gain. Current(I) Voltage(V) Resistance(R) Power(P) I=V/R P=V*I -B.S. Science in Engineering Technology concentration Computer Engineering Technology Wait what? You just answered a question that was never asked, and is totally irrelevant to the issue in hand. I raise you a fucking masters in engineering if you want to play that game... |
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You also can't edit PMs...
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This more so looks like a copy and paste, why would he suggest the value is 14-15k?
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Where are the chips?
3 weeks late on the shipping the developer chips?
No replay to emails, support tickets and phone calls to customers with nearly $80000 USD invested.
Sorry but that is just wrong.
Cut off on the 22nd... nice... sarcasm) you need to refund everyone that asks simply because you do NOT HAVE THE CHIPS TO SHIP!
Where are the chips? Do you have them in hand?
We have no evidence of that and given the failure to ship the majority of your chips on time we requested a refund on August 5th via support ticket. Still no reply?
Interesting.
Please please please sue them, I'd love to see it. You won't though, because you're messaging us rather than your lawyer. |
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Yifu just keep doing what you're doing, all these complaints are just wasting their own time. You're fulfilling your legal duties and fulfilling orders to the best of your ability unless proven otherwise. Apart from the B3 refunds which was a 'it happens' script error. I personally lost 5 figures on B3, but hey what can you do.
And i was so sure that was sarcasm after reading your last sentence. But im not so sure now anymore after reading your last posts in the forum. yea, dogie is using some bad drugs ... Ignored. ------------ Feel free to email / pm if you are also interested in pushing this legal action. I don't think several hundred thousands of dollars is small change and would look good on an AG's resume. Time has run out for Avalon. Delusional. They've offered full refunds for ANYTHING which is late, yet you still want to sue them. How does that make any sense. |
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Undeletable/uneditable posts are not my favourite aspect of this sub-forum, let it be known (thought I'd hit the edit button when I hit quote instead)
Its required in auction to prevent people changing bids/offers. |
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blades require 12V ONLY.
Prove it, should be simple. EDIT: Real proof. Not some hearsay BS. Wait, remind me why I care again? I don't. Why don't you prove otherwise seeing as you're the one claiming hearsay BS. |
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The point is moot... Yifu will be offering the refund link to customers as their order become 10 weeks overdue. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269950.msg3053184#msg3053184Anyhow, If people think I'm trying to screw the people who ordered from 15th to the 22th of June that is just silly, and false in their assumption. Here's the new deal,
The form will extend to orders made before the 22nd, which is exatly 10 weeks. and every order after, on the date it is suppose to ship, we'll send out a email asking if a refund is desired.
While I have no problems issue refunds, compensating for delay and such, I got no patience for people complaining when their orders are not late. Not too surprisingly, the people complaining the loudest are people whose order are not late yet(so more people refund and they can get their chips earlier maybe?), and people who have no orders(standard trolls of bitcointalk).
Most people who have chip orders are much more understanding to the situation, whom are either taking refunds, or working out some sort of compensation model.
GG |
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And the clauses dealing with if a delay occurs? None? Ah yes. You should be happy with the offered 100% refunds.
Except he is not giving everyone a refund. There also damages incurred due to the breach of contract. Just think of the DIY guys making the boards, fans, case, parts etc. It's like ordering 10 big macs on the 10th, mcdonalds makes it on the 10 but doesn't deliver it until the 20th. Sorry bro. The food is off/rotten and there's a pile of dead bodies here due to starvation. That's called damage. You can actually sue for that. Just because mcdonalds agrees to return the money for the 10 big macs doesn't mean it's alright. Sue him then, stop crying on internet forums and sue him. Ah yes, you're not because you know it wouldn't hold up in court. If Amazon says estimated delivery date of a book is 8-10 weeks, and then they deliver in 12, they aren't liable if you built a library surrounding that book. Except he is not giving everyone a refund. Yes, yes he is? The only orders he has not YET offered a refund on are those less than 2 weeks 'overdue'. Why would he offer refunds on non-refund orders which are still within timescale? |
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And the clauses dealing with if a delay occurs? None? Ah yes. You should be happy with the offered 100% refunds. |
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Its the equivalent of saying you can ram 10V through a processor - as long as the power delivery is the same. No, just no.
No, no it's not. I haven't seen a schematic to verify that something isn't pulling right off the 12Vdc supply before de-regulation, but the theory that you cannot put more than 12Vdc is BS. Here's an arbitrary example: http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/LA5744TP-TL-E/LA5744TP-TL-E-ND/2748200Oh my, would you look at that. Variable output up to ~1.23Vdc. Oh man, looks like it would work great with a +12Vdc supply. Wait a second.. is that what I think it is?? No frickin' way... IT WORKS AT +28Vdc input too! How about that?! You can keep linking to random things, but as we've already said several times, blades require 12V ONLY. |
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Care to show me a chip contract?
I will as soon as you change your avatar to that of a cow. Why would he purposely want to delay chips to devalue them, have way more refunds and unhappy customers? It simply wouldn't make sense.
I think you are a very naive/gullible fella. Seriously you really don't know why he would do that? If you won't show me a contract, then no I haven't 'heard of a contract'. You also clearly missed this Unless someone can conclusively prove that chips were used to hash... . |
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xD What is up with this hate. Disagree with people = kill the dog [inb4 cow references]. We were given the choice to 100% refund b3 or not, some of us chose not and lost out of it. Why is that his fault?
No I do not, have not, and will never have a B1. I didn't even have original B2/B3 orders.
No I am not Yifu, no I am not chinese, no I am not doing drugs - my opinion simply differs.
tldr: We were given a free, open market. We made decisions knowing the risks, some of us (including ME) lost from those decisions. Maybe its the norm to blame/sue in US culture (I know must of you aren't US anyway), but there doesn't always have to be a scapegoat. Sometimes our investments don't always work out.
You really must live a peaceful live. Though i hope your behaviour means not you are used by others that exploit this. Its a bit strange to me that you dont see the errors that were done. I know many others blame everything on others but you seems to be on the opposite of the scale. No one is guilty its fate... or so.  I actually rage a hell of a lot, and I'm vicious if you legally cross me without good reason. But, in this case I just don't see any other scenario other than 'shit happened', we all lose. Unless someone can conclusively prove that chips were used to hash/purposely delayed, it just doesn't make anything he did criminal. Why would he purposely want to delay chips to devalue them, have way more refunds and unhappy customers? It simply wouldn't make sense. |
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Dogie you might not be on drugs but you're definitely on something. Cock maybe.
And you ever heard of a contract?
Care to show me a chip contract? |
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Hey all, I am trying to get mine running and getting connectivity issues.
I am using a laptop with a wireless connection and its wired connection to the blade. I have set up internet connection sharing, but can't seem to find it using 192.168.1.254 in a browser.
In my network connections, I've been getting "limited or no connectivity" on it, but browsing is still working on the laptop.
It's a messy setup, but it's not feasible to connect right to the router unless I rewire my house (I planned to do this at some point so the router is exactly in the middle of my house but that's a while away)
Any ideas here? My laptop is running winXP btw. I can provide screenshots of anything if needed.
You won't find it in the browser because your laptop is looking on the 'hot' network, where the blade ISN'T. I was trying something similar with Avalons because I was on a connection which needed signing in on. If you disable wireless on the laptop, you should be able to connect to the blade. Then enable wireless and it *might* hash but you won't be able to get to the interface. |
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xD What is up with this hate. Disagree with people = kill the dog [inb4 cow references]. We were given the choice to 100% refund b3 or not, some of us chose not and lost out of it. Why is that his fault?
No I do not, have not, and will never have a B1. I didn't even have original B2/B3 orders.
No I am not Yifu, no I am not chinese, no I am not doing drugs - my opinion simply differs.
tldr: We were given a free, open market. We made decisions knowing the risks, some of us (including ME) lost from those decisions. Maybe its the norm to blame/sue in US culture (I know must of you aren't US anyway), but there doesn't always have to be a scapegoat. Sometimes our investments don't always work out.
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NO. This is not how electronics work. Do not use anything but 12V.
What do you know about electronics? What's the P/N of the DC/DC Regulator? You might very well be able to throw 24VDC at it. Its the equivalent of saying you can ram 10V through a processor - as long as the power delivery is the same. No, just no. Actually, depending on the regulators used, the blades may very well be able to accept anything from 5v to 24v and still put 12v out on the other side for the blade to use, such parts do exist. I wouldn't like to try it myself without being told in the specs that it'll work though. We've been told specifically we require 12v. |
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