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741  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Can NFTs last forever? on: November 08, 2023, 01:02:00 PM
No doubt with those art values that have been minted as a limited edition and it's gonna be more valuable if they're from a world renowned artist.

Yeah, you're right. I have seen people boasts their profits having those type of NFT memes that have earned them a token and traded it and made money out of it.

Art is an important thing to consider before buying, don't focus on the hype. This is if we are just a prospective NFT holder. Sometimes, hype traps us into purchases that are expected to have utility but there is only just a paper without any execution. So it's best to focus on NFTs that have artistic value and were created by real artists. I have bought NFTs several times focusing on the hype (degen play), but the results were not like the hype on the tokens, and more were not profitable a.k.a NFT scams.

Earned NFT might be the right choice, as long as development continues, there is still hope, at least, if you hold the NFT you can still make a profit, apart from being able to sell the NFT itself you also get profit from generated token.
742  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [DISKUSI] Harga Bitcoin on: November 07, 2023, 04:57:54 PM
-snip-
Tapi saya rasa apabila adanya berita positif tentang etf bitcoin menurut saya tentunya sangat memberikan dampak positif terhadap harga bitcoin seperti kejadian kalau tidak salah beberapa Minggu yang lalu yang saat itu harga btc tiba tiba naik dalam waktu singkat,  walaupun berita tersebut tidak benar karena etf btc belum resmi di setujui. namun memang gan tidak cukup dengan berita saja untuk memompa harga btc, yang tentunya membutuhkan proses yang panjang. Namun saya berharap harga btc semoga cepat naik tinggi, dan semoga selalu ada berita yang positif tentang btc agar harga btc cepat naik tinggi.

Sejauh ini, isu ETF sudah menunjukkan geliat pasar yang lebih baik setelah lama sideway di area 25K - 30K. Jika sebatas isu ini bisa membawa BTC breakout dari fase sideway sejak maret lalu, maka potensi bullish akan benar-benar terjadi pasca official statement bahwa ETF ini disetujui. tapi sebelum itu terjadi, saya rasa harus sedikit waspada atau siap-siap untuk jaring, karena jika misalkan selanjutnya dikabarkan bahwa ETF ini gagal, maka ada potensi breakdown ke area sideway sebelumnya atara 25K-30K. Takutnya isu ETF ini hanya untuk menggeliatkan pasar yang sedang jenuh.
743  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Can NFTs last forever? on: November 07, 2023, 04:11:18 PM
Usually, they should just for those type of use like arts and those stuff. But the makers of it have made it as if they're for all applications and I think it has got too much from there. Yeah, they can last forever but what will be the value? memorabilia?

There are several points that make NFT have value.
1. Art value (this usually applies to NFTs backed by physical art, photography).
2. Utility value (this is usually found in special NFTs such as NFT Pass (hold the NFT to join the service)).
3. Artist, this is still related to point 1, who made the NFT, and its value will increase because the NFT was created by someone who is an expert in making digital and physical art.
4. Earning, I don't think this needs to be explained. You definitely understand this point.

Even though NFT memes seem to have no value, most of these memes are used as NFT Passes or earn a tokens. However, not all NFTs have value like this, a lot of NFTs are generally the same as meme tokens or sh*t token/coins, which have no utility and are then simply abandoned, so the holder doesn't get anything.

NFA/DYOR/DWYOR
744  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do You Believe That Reading People's Bad Experience Will Help You on: November 07, 2023, 03:55:03 PM
Not necessarily help like people will choose to experience bad things in order to help others. I think its because that just serves as a lesson or reminder to the unfortunate gambler and to the new comers to always know their limits. Real life stories about the negative consequences of gambling can serve as a deterrent and create awareness about the risks involved. Same with cigarette packaging that highlights the potential bad outcomes of gambling may help individuals make more informed and responsible choices.

Bad experiences, bad events will be lessons for those who want to learn. Meanwhile, for those who don't want to think wisely, losing makes them even more eager to gamble more. There are many incidents happening in my neighborhood. When someone becomes an uncontrolled gambler, it doesn't make them wise in gambling. On the contrary, he continued to gamble with greater risks, and he even had to lose a lot of his money. This incident was not just a story for him to use as a lesson, but made him even more uncontrolled in his gambling. The only way for him to stop is no more money to gamble.
745  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 07, 2023, 01:02:18 PM
I personally also don't think that AC Milan can be beaten by a team whose quality is much lower. Initially I predicted that AC Milan would definitely win by scoring more than one goal. The reason is that since the first half whistle sounded, AC Milan continued to control the course of the match by putting a lot of pressure and attacks on the Udinese defense. However, none of these attacks resulted in a goal. The reason is that Udinese defense in that match could be said to be very strong. So it was very difficult for AC Milan front players to execute the ball well against Udinese goal. Then in the end a player from AC Milan violated an Udinese player in the penalty box and resulted in a penalty kick which was executed well by Pereyra.


For coaches who have creativity in making strategies and change the game play during the match, the problem in scoring goals will be analyzed and then make changes even with the same formation, but they will show different playing style for attacking or defending. If this minor change does not result in scoring a goal, then the coach will start trying to change the other attack scheme, or even change the strategy by changing the formation. But, Pioli and Milan players look like hard to do something, this is the second lose in a row at home,this is not a good results.
746  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tips on staying responsible. on: November 07, 2023, 12:52:53 PM
Well the RTP is nothing just a theoretical calculation as to how much money would be returned to gamblers on the amount which he wagered. The amount shown in RTP usually would never be returned back to the gamblers as gamblers usually lose more and win less.


I don't know, I'm in a position between believing and not believing in this RTP, because some people believe that this RTP exists at certain times, but they don't know when the RTP takes effect. However, according to other, this RTP will be different from one website to another, even though the gambler is playing the same game on the different website. Because I don't know when the live-RTP time is, I just rely on luck while playing. Once again, this is just an opinion from some people who believe in RTP. And as I say, RTP is not a guarantee gambler will win or get the return of 95% from every spins. I think all users should be know about that.
747  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Selling 1488 Pi coins on: November 06, 2023, 12:27:07 PM
why did you rush to sell it
won't it be mainnet soon and you will buy a lambo car or yacht

Ah, this PI Network mainnet news is nothing new, I've been hearing about this for a long time, but until today where is the promised mainnet? I'm afraid this will be the second Bitconnect, after the big case in the past, and make a big loss for Bitconnect community and traders/holders. Maybe the scheme is not similar with Bitconnect, but how if PI network is building a community and then destroying it? Because buzzer PI network has been creating hype for a long time, but it seems like the community, both on social media and in this forum, is already aware of the potential scam of this project.
748  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: [Diskusi] Token dan Altcoin Apa Saja yang Akan Pump Pasca Halving? on: November 06, 2023, 12:03:58 PM
-snip- Apa mungkin kejadian ini beneran drama pre-halving agar nantinya token $XRP dapat atensi saat halving terjadi Huh.

Bisa jadi demikian, karena ketika $XRP kembali dianggap sebagai pemenang dan pada akhirnya kasus ditutup sebelum bullish ke ATH baru, maka ada potensi bagi XRP untuk mendapatkan perhatian lebih dari komunitas dan trader untuk berlomba ngehold XRP. Bagaimana pun, XRP masih gagal memecahkan ATH yang terjadi di era McAffee, mungkin hasil drama ini bisa memberikan hasil yang lebih baik untuk membawa ATH memecahkan kebuntuan untuk membuat ATH baru. Perlu diingat juga, jika XRP naik, XLM juga bakal ngekor biasanya DYOR/DWYOR/NFA
749  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tips on staying responsible. on: November 06, 2023, 11:51:20 AM
There are also gambling websites that provide RTP which is basically a percentage of being good or bad from one game. In my opinion, it has absolutely no effect, it is just a gimic made by the bookie or gambling company to attract players, by giving a large percentage on games that are currently busy in online gambling, so they believe they can get a win in games that have a high percentage. But there are still people who believe in the RTP, they don't realize it's just a gimic made to attract more attention.

RTP is calculated over an unknown period of time for us as a players, it can be short or long period. RTP can be said to be an average, for every $100 wagered, there is a possibility that the provider/game will return $95 to the player. However, this does not mean and is not a guarantee that each player will receive exactly 95% of his bet, it could be less than that and it could be not at all. However RTP is a theoretical value, and you are right about other factors such as luck, volatility and individual gaming strategy can greatly influence a player's short term results.
750  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you gamble because you don't have sufficient money? on: November 06, 2023, 11:35:56 AM
It's normal for people to think that gambling is the fastest way to make money. But after people try it, they see that what they want cannot come true.
Instead, they experience loss after loss and spend all their money on gambling. And if that's the case, they won't be able to make any money and will even lose all their money.
And gambling is just entertainment for those who want to enjoy gambling games using a little money. After all, we are not required to use a lot of money to enjoy the fun of gambling.
We can gamble with enough money so that we won't lose a lot.

Absolutely. Many are initially lured to gambling, hoping for quick financial gains, but the reality often doesn't meet their expectations. Ideally, gambling should be viewed as entertainment for those seeking thrills while betting within their financial boundaries. Responsible betting ensures wagers are controlled and won't adversely impact finances. Establishing limits and gambling within a budget allows for the thrill without substantial financial risks. Achieving this becomes highly challenging for someone trapped in the cycle of addiction. Despite promises to control their gambling habits, without actively addressing the addiction, maintaining that control becomes nearly impossible.
751  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: November 06, 2023, 11:25:13 AM
AC Milan was defeated by a team that had not won since the beginning of the season, Udinese. This clearly signals that Pioli's strategy is increasingly vulnerable to being dismantled by opponents. The attempted 4-4-2 formation failed completely, making the first half, become one of Milan's worst performances this season. I hate to say, when facing a team that was, in reality, struggling by psychologically and mentally due to their lack of wins and having to play against a big team, but in this match AC Milan that ended up losing. Management need to do a new strategy with new better coach for Milan.
752  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Waktunya berpegangan erat erat on: November 06, 2023, 03:20:43 AM
Agan dengan trade harian apakah itu mendapatkan untung setiap hari nya, lalu keuntungan bisa di alihken BTC? Kalau ane sih tidak melakukan perdagangan karena resiko kerugian masih besar di tambah masih belum pandai berdagang harian maka lebih fokus invest btc aja dari pada trade.
-snip-
Setiap trader memiliki pola yang berbeda dalam trading, mungkin bagi saya dan mas, trading sulit untuk mendapatkan profit setiap hari. Tetapi bagi trader lain, mencari 100K atau berapapun sehari bisa lah buat jajan *tergantung skill dan modal". Adapun keuntungan mau dialihkan ke BTC atau fiat, itu mudah mas, kalau koinnya terdapat pair BTC, tinggal di jual ke pair tersebut, sekalipun tidak ada sih bisa juga keuntungannya diubah dari stable ke BTC.
753  Local / Marketplace (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [RAFFLE]Lucky Wheel X Raffle Combo Promotion, khusus untuk member Indonesia on: November 04, 2023, 12:03:45 PM
99% Saya yakin ndak akan ada yang langsung melakukan WD setelah menerima reward
yakin itu ndak mau maen Live Casino terus all in? kwkwkwkwkkwkwkkw
Sudah di WD, sisa 500K, ga mau nerusin, sayang bisa buat bayar-bayar yang harus dibayar  Cheesy


Reward akan di kreditkan hari ini, dan akan di kenakan TO 1x

siap min, rewards sudah diterima. mungkin next time saya akan ikut lagi. kali aja hoki lagi, tapi karena kemarin bikin akun baru, tadi ga bisa narik, untung tim BK8 ngasih solusinya  Wink, misalkan ikut pakai akun yang beda di raffle berikutnya apakah bisa?  Grin
754  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Keluh Kesah pedagang UMKM on: November 03, 2023, 04:46:07 PM

Dalam hal ini pemerintah mempunyai peran penting selaku pemegang mandat kebijakan, jika dibiarkan larut maka angka kemiskinan di republik ini semakin meningkat. kurangnya pembelik yang dikeluhkan masyarakat selainya banyaknya jasa online juga di pengaruhi mata pencaharian masyarakat berkurang, dan banyaknya pekerja asing ilegal yang masuk ke Indonesia, juga faktor kebutuhan pangan makin hari makin meningkat,, saat ini ada para pengusaha pemula yang baru gerak terpaksa menutup usahanya akibat lemahnya daya beli,,semoga awal tahun 2024 semua teratasi.
Minim pembeli offline tapi naik pembeli online tidak mengindikasikan lemahnya daya beli, tapi pergeseran kebiasaan beli masyarakat. Jika pelaku UMKM penjual jajanan pinggir jalan mengalami penurunan pembeli, ini bisa karena faktor lokasi yang mungkin sulit untuk diukur apakah bisa dijadikan acuan daya beli rendah atau memang masyarakat yang kurang cocok dengan produknya. Saya pikir, bisnis online itu diperlukan untuk dijajaki oleh UMKM yang sebelumnya menolak untuk go-online. Jika memang enggan online, mereka harus merekrut tim sales agar bisa menjangkau pelanggan. Tapi, balik lagi, kebiasaan belanja online itu sudah menjadi bagian konsumtif masyarakat Indonesia, jadi menolak go-online sama dengan membatasi potensi untuk bisnis mereka sendiri.
755  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 03, 2023, 01:57:27 PM

A fan who doesn't get emotional when his team plays bad or does not have any success is not a real fan to me. What's wrong about being upset when the team you support is underperforming all the time. In my opinion this is normal and doesn't make him a "wrong fan", but quite the opposite, which is a true fan.


how can we not be upset when seeing our favorite team become mediocre for 10 years? Just imagine, we support the club either directly or only via TV, but we feel the same atmosphere of victory and defeat. We support the team not only because of the big name, but the community and the same emotions. If we are not angry, maybe our emotions with the club are still not strong. However, MU has been asleep for a long time, at worst Milan has already given the Scudetto, while MU, in UCL, UEL and EPL, they have not shown anything for their supporters. While supporters need a trophy.
756  Local / Marketplace (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [RAFFLE]Lucky Wheel X Raffle Combo Promotion, khusus untuk member Indonesia on: November 03, 2023, 01:43:21 PM

Itu kan TO deposit.

Iya sih itu TO deposit, cuma karena biasanya tiap depo masuk ada TO, mungkin dianggap hal yang bukan syarat giveaway, namun pasti di terapin di sistem. kalau misalkan tanpa TO ini akan jadi lebih menarik promonya. Pasti next time akan ada member lain yang join jika tanpa syarat TO. Ya kita tunggu saja hasilnya mas.

Ane ga dapat raffle tapi ga sakit ati -snip-

 jadi ngelangkahin yang notice  ada giveaway ini Wink
757  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambler avoiding friends after a big win. on: November 03, 2023, 09:41:55 AM
Most people only want to become our friends if we're rich, when we're struggle or having a problem, they will set a distance between them and us. That's why most people always want to flex their achievements, to revenge or proofing if they're better than their old friends.

Keep in note, even you have a good friends, make sure you're not 100% loyal to them because anything can happen. They might ask for more money or stuff as they think you're rich.
Exactly, not just about a friend but this can be happens to our family circle. But, I don't think this is a problem before, when they are coming for my help, unfortunately, even they are have a relationship with our family, they are just wants my money. Now, I have a problem with my financial, they are staying away from me. So, if you are have a close friends on yoir gambling activity, never ever say anything about your jackpot or any big win.
758  Local / Topik Lainnya / Re: [Diskusi] Kasus Kopi Sianida Mencuat Kembali (dengan Poll) on: November 03, 2023, 08:00:40 AM

Masih ada perdebatan soal ini. Satu pihak mengatakan itu cuma sampel (bukan otopsi) karena dipihak satunya mengatakan bahwa otopsi itu harus menyeluruh. Dokter (bukan yg dokter jaja) yang disidang pun mengatakan itu bukan otopsi tapi cuma sampel aja. Yang ada cuma surat visum, yang mana itu beda dengan otopsi kalau menurut orang2. BTW, yang bikin saya tertarik ngikutin kasus ini sekarang ini karena podcast2 yang melibatkan si profesor yang mana bisa dibilang melakukan banyak blunder.
Itulah yang membuat kasus ini jadi rancuh, satu pihak mengatakan sudah diautopsi sedangkan dokter yang pertama kali nanganin mengatakan kalau itu bukan autopsi. Ini yang mempersulit untuk menemukan titik terangnya saat ini apalagi kasus sudah terlalu lama, dengan dokumen untuk bukti dan olah tkp yang simpang siur seperti ini, maka jessica akan tetap menjadi pelaku. Karena netizen yang mencurigai orang tuanya si mirna pun rasanya juga terlalu lemah tuduhannya. Apakah ada yang punya info soal si ayahnya mirna ini?
759  Local / Marketplace (Bahasa Indonesia) / Re: [RAFFLE]Lucky Wheel X Raffle Combo Promotion, khusus untuk member Indonesia on: November 03, 2023, 06:22:13 AM

Waduh waduh, ty.

Nomor 9 ganggu ini, harusnya jangan pick nomor 9 wkwkkwk, canda 9. Untuk hadiahnya apakah (FREE dari TO) ? atau ada TO yang harus diselesaikan. Feeling ane sih ada TO nya kira-kira 1x.

Congrat buat yang win.
Ampun mas, ngambil nomor karena teringat Inzaghi.. haha

Kayanya sih tiap deposit ada syarat TOnya.
760  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: November 02, 2023, 04:52:57 PM

interesting how each human works because gambling in a moment of stress is not a good idea for me.

This is hard to say, because their emotion can be change within a minutes . For some people, if they are getting stressed, playing a gamble can be a solution for him. But, they are need to make sure they are will accept anything including losing, Because any lose will be made his stressed more hard.
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