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7521  Other / Off-topic / Re: rpietila public diary on: April 12, 2013, 12:21:10 PM
As I write, the USD/mBTC is crashing hard, struggling at 0.055 at the moment. But I am too busy to care.

I left for work at about midnight Finnish time (UTC+3), in anticipation of the Mt.Gox opening 5 hours later. I live in downtown Helsinki with my wife and Hilla the Beautiful (9 months soon). We have an apartment facing a park, in about 1 kilometer distance from most places of interest. My office is about 500 meters away, it is furnished in the style of the lobby of a 1960s Soviet hotel. It is in fact a former hotel, but the redecoration is recent.

Before going to sleep, I looked at the grim situation in the exchanges and bought 105,000mBTC from Bitstamp at 0.062.

Roni woke me up at 4:30, he is working for me as a bitcoin broker. He has 2 years experience on Bitcoin, about 8 months full-time. With me he started Monday last week.

We had a guessing, how low it will go. We decided to set the buy orders between $0.017 and $0.050. I had specifically banned all sell orders, because I did not trust the information flows, and gave P=0.8 chances that Gox had not improved its system enough to eliminate Goxlag.

When Gox opened, we could not buy anything as our guess was too low. Order placement did not work well enough, so we just invested all the money in other exchanges at about 0.070. Inter-exchange arbitrage was deemed too difficult.

I got back to sleep soon after, only to wake up at 10:30. We took a 1-hour breakfast in a cafe down the street.

Previous day I had secured money in the exchanges by buying codes at face value. I think it was worth it, since we got the money invested at good price today. I also learned about an interesting thing, which is perhaps the single most astounding fact underlining my conviction that Bitcoin is here for good, and that the current prices will be regarded as a steal barely months from now:

I find it funny that bitcoin is such a revolutionary technology that even in the midst of its own crash, it is the only sure way to transfer wealth across the world. Today I met a businessman who, in anticipation of the crash, had sold many bitcoins in an exchange. He has 10,000s of fiat currency, but the exchange limitations will not allow him to withdraw it. Even if they did, the wire would take days. His fastest and most reliable way to cash out is to buy the bitcoins back (at a lower rate, but with a fee), withdraw them, send them to me, and take an instant SEPA transfer or cash from the counter. Think about it - how can bitcoin crash, as it is vital for transferring the proceeds of its own crash to the owner's hand?

After coming from breakfast, Roni concentrated on arbitraging, and I took my phone to call clients. I have a huge waiting list of people willing to buy bitcoins, and the limiting factor is my own time. I try to spend at least one hour per day to call my list, and on average I can close about 20,000 €/hour. I make anything between 5 and 15 percent, for the last 2 weeks, it's been closer to 15%.

Today I could offer for 10% over spot, at about €0.067 (you notice the convention: the currency is assumed to be USD if not specified, and I switched to mBTC last Friday and encourage the others to do so as well). This was possible because of the quote above. I am able to buy the fiat that you cashed out, but which is now trapped in the exchange. But the way to buy it is for the seller to transfer it to bitcoins, take it out, and sell the bitcoins to me at a discount. I offer 3-5 days bank payment, and it is working like a clock. I can sell the bitcoins on, don't have any risk, am not in a hurry, and rake in 5+10%.

I am currently selling bitcoins in my website. Today I got only one call, though. I have high minimums between 2,000 and 5,000 €, depending on the load. Serving one customer takes about 20 minutes plus the backend time, so I cannot really try to serve them all. The most I can take is about 4 per day, so you should not blame me for an attempt to make each of them the most profitable for me.

Today was the second day of bitcoin accounts in my other business. This one allows people to buy bitcoins with the silver they have already stored in the vault in Tallinn. There is about 100,000 ounces of silver there. The only problem is that if bitcoins gain traction, we will need to sell some of the silver to balance our position. For our customer, it is the effort of one email to transfer 20,000 € worth of silver to bitcoins. For us, it is a 25-kilogram silver bag that we need to sell in an illiquid market where we are already the largest player.

The "bitcoin fixing" in Silvervault today (12:00 noon Estonian time, which is the same as Finnish time, UTC+3) was € 0.0758. Funnily enough, it is not even shown in our website yet, so none of the buyers today even know as of yet, how much they paid for their bitcoins. They do it under the assumption that "the fixing is at most 10% over the price quoted in the exchanges".

It is nearing 17:15, and I need to close my 17-hour workday - admittedly I slept about 5 hours of it though - and go to spend the evening with my family. Roni already left 2 hours ago, his day was therefore shorter, although as I was sleeping, he was catching arbitrages. I needed to quit Skype when I started writing this, since he was so eager posting stuff that it distracted my attention. My last advice for him was to take a good rest over the weekend. He is a young guy and has a bitcoin position himself. It's been a ride.

It is going for 0.077 as I write. Oh, in about 1 hour or so, I have made DELETED dollars or so, just holding bitcoins.

For the longest time.

I hope you enjoyed reading, feel free to comment!
7522  Other / Off-topic / rpietila public diary on: April 12, 2013, 12:20:08 PM
Hi, welcome! Very many links saying "Bitcoin" and the like, point to the thread. This is a 30-60 minute deeper-than-the-surface reading experience on Bitcoin. We don't link back to shallow things, at least mainly. This thread is actively moderated, so we encourage quality visitor content, but on the other hand both my own and visitor content will be moderated (deleted) after it is no longer relevant for new readers. We don't have time for critique, please have your thread for that. Oh yes, and we do use "minicoins" (/millibitcoins/mBTC) instead of bitcoins (BTC/BTC)

Daniel 4:4 (rpietila at ease)

I started this thread in the depth of the bottom of Bitcoin price (about 0.05/mBTC). Originally it started a humble way like this:

"I figured out, some people may be interested what I am doing right now. In the past, I have spammed the Mt.Gox wall observer and numerous other threads with this info, but a dedicated thread may be in order. So, from now on, I will post the bulk of my notes to this thread. I will try to grasp the feeling of the moment."


In two short months, very many things have happened, and I have even been denied & prevented from upgrading the diary from the psychiatric ward. Now as I am under medication, it is good to have some things in order, and return the reading experience to what it should be.

TL;DR:
Bitcoin's exchange value can and will go to $300,000 per BTC ($300 per mBTC)
7523  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: PSA: Bitcoin's survival and long term prospects depend on MtGox getting killed. on: April 12, 2013, 10:44:26 AM
I never thought I would have to agree with MPOE-PR  Grin

...after the crash I think MP is making a killing with his exchange, so perhaps we could be friends after all...
7524  Economy / Auctions / Re: AUCTION - 8 rolls of new 0.5BTC Casascius Coins on: April 12, 2013, 10:09:09 AM
Now that we have discovered a price of around 50-60% above face value, is that what non-winning people here expected? What do you think of the 'value' now?

I would be inclined to think, they will easily resell for BTC1 per piece, so this secures a fair profit for all participants.

The probability that these will fetch BTC5 per piece in optimal selling circumstances some time in the future is high, imho.

The crash in USD/BTC naturally cuts the 'profit per transaction' for the middlemen.
7525  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 12, 2013, 04:25:02 AM
I find it funny that bitcoin is such a revolutionary technology that even in the midst of its own crash, it is the only sure way to transfer wealth across the world. Today I met a businessman who, in anticipation of the crash, had sold many bitcoins in an exchange. He has 10,000s of fiat currency, but the exchange limitations will not allow him to withdraw it. Even if they did, the wire would take days. His fastest and most reliable way to cash out is to buy the bitcoins back (at a lower rate, but with a fee), withdraw them, send them to me, and take an instant SEPA transfer or cash from the counter. Think about it - how can bitcoin crash, as it is vital for transferring the proceeds of its own crash to the owner's hand?
7526  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin at $50.05 a piece on Bitstamp site - 11 Apr 2013 on: April 11, 2013, 10:16:52 PM
Sadly I lost the opportunity to buy at $50, was waiting for the knife to jam before buying. At $62 I started buying again, and BTC1000 is today's menu, and in addition BTC100 profits from trading and arbitrage.
7527  Economy / Speculation / Re: PROUDHON was NOT RIGHT on: April 11, 2013, 10:14:32 PM
Eventually, we're going to single digits again.

Ahh... I wish we did. I could buy the entire mining supply of bitcoin with the proceeds of my daily arbitrage operations.
7528  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 11, 2013, 10:11:38 PM
How can you sell in BTC china? Is there any other problem except that you will receive CNY which you need to recycle to your own currency?
7529  Economy / Speculation / Re: PROUDHON WAS RIGHT! on: April 11, 2013, 09:33:43 PM
I have to take my words back.

Bulls will strike back.

They started already. I made my first personal bitcoin purchase for 3 weeks:

BTC105 at Bitstamp at $62.

The way I look at it, I just gobbled 1/100000 of all the coins mined so far, which is about 1/10000 of the actively traded stock. The fun is about to increase  Grin
7530  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin down to $50 on other exchanges on: April 11, 2013, 09:07:24 PM
The prices are manipulated.

Probably. But I just bought a few bitcoins at $62 so in that sense they are real.
7531  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin down to $50 on other exchanges on: April 11, 2013, 08:59:45 PM
The prices are manipulated.

Probably. But I just bought a few bitcoins at $62 so in that sense they are real.
7532  Economy / Speculation / Re: RIP everything on: April 11, 2013, 08:38:58 PM
While watching this video, imagine the bitcoin nerd panic:

I can't for the life of me, understand why any nerd would panic to see the last month gains erased. They mined their coins with CPU in 2010, and sold most of them already.

Businessmen are buying more all the time, since they make money and must invest it.

Only ones panicking would be the ones who bought for first time last week and do not know anything.

--

Well, judging from the volume, there was quite many of them  Cheesy
7533  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2011 survivors club on: April 11, 2013, 08:06:04 PM
Which exchange you will be on?
If I judge rpietila correctly: all of the ones that might remotely make sense at some point.

Well that's flattering. I only employed my first full-time bitcoin broker exactly 10 days ago, so we have barely started to make money.  Grin
7534  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2011 survivors club on: April 11, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
I watched all the way from $.25 to $32 and down without any bitcoins. I have balls of steel.

But then I slowly started to buy, and buy. Stopped increasing the net position as it crossed $100 recently.

Now I am prepared to make a killing by trading, dealing and arbitrage. I have coins and fiat in the exchanges. No matter where the price goes, I intend to be at least BTC100 richer in 24 hours.

I don't believe in a lasting crash, since at the rate I make money, all your coins are belong to us in less than 20 years.

Which exchange you will be on?

Probably all of them. rpietila has more funds than me but I intend to make a lot more than 100 BTC in the next 24 hours Cheesy

Yes, and I pay 5-10% over for any codes/funds in the exchanges. Sell your coins and PM me. $10k minimum trade 'cause busy  Grin
7535  Economy / Speculation / Re: IT STILL ISN'T BACK TO "NORMAL"! on: April 11, 2013, 08:00:06 PM
I can pay 5-10% over for any cash in the exchanges except Gox. Sell your bitcoins now and turn the cash over to me, profit 5-10%!!

Or sell outright. I can pay bank wire any currency, gold, silver any form. PM.
7536  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2011 survivors club on: April 11, 2013, 07:55:07 PM
I watched all the way from $.25 to $32 and down without any bitcoins. I have balls of steel.

But then I slowly started to buy, and buy. Stopped increasing the net position as it crossed $100 recently.

Now I am prepared to make a killing by trading, dealing and arbitrage. I have coins and fiat in the exchanges. No matter where the price goes, I intend to be at least BTC100 richer in 24 hours.

I don't believe in a lasting crash, since at the rate I make money, all your coins are belong to us in less than 20 years.
7537  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin down to $50 on other exchanges on: April 11, 2013, 07:47:02 PM
Quote
Bitcoin down to $50 on other exchanges
fiat reserves are more or less gone from the exchanges so its likely to be pushed lower.

Mt.Gox is sitting on the 100 million USD that was deposited + the 50 million that was sold. There is little way to get the money out of the exchange.

It is all there. Just wait. Oh yes not everyone wants to buy, but some need to buy in order to get the value out as bitcoins. Oh irony...
7538  Economy / Speculation / Re: How will market react when MtGox reopens trade? on: April 11, 2013, 07:43:00 PM
You realize that at current price, the new bitcoins generated per day, will be worth a mere $75,000.


There is no chance in hell that price would go to $10 for any time over 60 seconds if any exchange is able to take orders. It would mean $15,000 per day.

Seriously now.
7539  Economy / Goods / Re: 1OZ SILVER MAPLE LEAF / CHECK BEST PRICE IN OP on: April 11, 2013, 07:39:45 PM
Hi all,

Due to inability to figure out BTC price, call me if you want to buy something: +358503235950. Finland is UTC+3

I have about 1500 oz 999 silver at hand, and "enough" of 90% silver. Also gold coins and bars.

NO AUTOMATIC LOCK-INS now.
7540  Economy / Goods / Re: SELLING: 30x1oz GOLD; !9 HOURS!; EU ONLY on: April 11, 2013, 07:37:17 PM
As I was the dealer who bought the unsold part of this gold, I am happy to offer you INSTANT PM LOCK-IN the following items:

- 3x 100 gram gold bar @spot+3%
- 18x 1 oz gold coin @spot+5%

MINIMUM 10 coins or 3 bars, btc payment upon lock-in. Or call +358503235950

Shipping to EU only.
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