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7981  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: December 30, 2017, 12:03:28 PM

If England makes AUS all out before lunch and gets only 150+ runs target they can win this game. If not then its a draw. No doubt it's a draw match AUS is batting good in 2nd innings and they have eight wickets in hand. As you said if any miracle happens then only ENG will win this match.

As of now Australia is trail by 26 runs and still, they have 8 wickets and I don't think England can make them all out so fast. It looks like this match may be going toward the draw unless some magic happens then we can see the result. Because even though Australia want to go for a result but England may play carefully and first they will go for saving this match otherwise it will be a 4-0.

Captain Smith to the rescue once more, this guy is absolutely boss and he's showing that. Had there been few more hour's left, I'm sure Australia would have forced for a match to be drawn, but on the postive side for England atleast it won't be a complete whitewash, they can boast they managed a draw atleast. One thing is certain Cook has saved his place at least for the time being.
7982  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: December 30, 2017, 11:03:30 AM
Manchester city has finished the year without any worries for them to finish up the rest of the season as champions
and can enjoy their new years celebrations knowing this in their minds.

No other team can challenge them as the top 4 other teams are not even close to their accomplishments.

You will be surprised in 2018 if they start losing few matches. Closing half season with 15 points difference is not going to guarantee you to win the season. Besides that , the schedule in 2018 is going to make the league more interesting

With some luck, they may slip out of their position but thats depending on their strategy for the upcoming game. I wrote it in my previous post that their only reasonable strategy for now is to sign few more player to cover up for their hectic schedule

You are right, this season is not over yet but 15 points difference is a big gap though. Manchester City is still on top and keep their performance with the winning streak. The problem is other big teams like arsenal,liverpool and man united are unstable, can't keep their winning streak. Sometimes draw or lose
Manchester United always seem to draw when they just play the entire games not pressuring the team forward acting as if they can score whenever they like. That is not a way to play a football match.
They are absolutely the worst with all these overrated and over priced players.
I can not tell how many times I have lost my parlay bets with these buffoons thinking they can win every match which they should be with Paul Pogba and now Lukaku.
Pogba has got some talent according to me which he will bring out soon but yeah Lukaku is overpriced , he misses easy chances and he isn't really a playmaker in the team so yes money wasted , Salah is the best buy in EPL this season if you ask me.

I don't think that there's any juice left In this season if anything happens now it will be surely a miracle, I don't think Manchester United are trying to play a draw every match, if you look many times it a silly miss from them, and they really will regret missing out on persic I, feel that's what caused them the title. Yes against top 6 they played for a draw and maybe that's bad, but they really tried but nothing worked out in their favor.
7983  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is not Money, is Faith on: December 30, 2017, 09:47:38 AM
I think we should not value Bitcoin by Money, but by faith. Just hold and let it change the world.

Dear Father (since you sound like one, right from the church kind) while your thoughts are noble, the heads of countries do not seem to share your views, they treat Bitcoins as a menace and ponzi, and Bitcoin is battling a war which can't be won solely on trust, one needs to be careful and value it in coins and dollars, cause we don't know what the year may bring to bitcoin, one has to wait and see. Just recently a Bitcoin exchange owner was kidnapped and paid a ransom of 1 million in btc, I. Don't think faith saved him money did.
7984  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 2018 is coming on: December 30, 2017, 09:43:35 AM
What do you think to the bitcoin prices in 2018? It will continue increasing up or continue declining down?

If increasing up, what value do you expect? Same if it is declining down?

Its actually very difficult to put a price as of now we should actually be worried if it will exit next year or no. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge supporter of Bitcoin and will continue collecting them till I can, but suddenly if you see all the country's are up against war with bitcoins, latest being South Korea which is a main hub. Plus most of the Asian countries hate it, especially India and China, USA is our last hope if they ban it's all gone. So for me a downfall of 5k and a high price of 40k is on the cards provided it survives each and every war
7985  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2016/17 on: December 29, 2017, 11:55:22 AM
comparing Morata and Salah is a strange thing, they are in different positions. Mohamed Salah is prioritized to replace Gareth Bale who is often filled by other players because of Bale who is too often injured. Bale and Salah play in the same position. It's just that I'm not sure if Salah quality can match On Fire Gareth Bale.
Yeah, there’s no reason to make a comparison between Salah and Moraga because of the performance and positions of both the players. I know that Moraga is being awarded with more titles and trophies than Salah due to his presence in bigger clubs all the time but still Muhammad Salah is a good player than Moraga and I am sure that he can easily replace Gareth bale if Madrid wants to do as he is awarded the title of best player in Arab recently.

Salalah is good but I'm not really sure he's as good as Bale, yes he's had a injury year but it's only matter of time before he starts firing on all cylinders, I feel it's really stupid to sell Bale for Salah. Zidane has already made horrible mistake like letting go of Morata and Rodriguez those were the stars and they let go and keep Benzema and I feel that's what going to get him the sack unless Perez does decides to play good with him.
7986  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Frustrations: Losing Streak on: December 29, 2017, 11:00:40 AM
I know that every one of us had this day when we all thought that it's our day but it's not. I myself honestly say that there are still times that I lose control of everything when this happens, I tend to get frustrated immediately (especially when it comes to poker) when I know that I have a losing card. It makes my day from bad to worst. How do you handle your frustrations when losing streak strikes?

Though before I've reached a point in where I'll be having a thought of chasing my loses, I'll leave the table and look for a dessert or sometimes when I bring my car, there's a clothing that I can rip just to let my frustrations out. (It may sound absurd but it really works for me, after that my mind is clear, no frustrations then I'll go back and finish my visit)

This is a quiet normal pseudonym with gambler's, a constant struggle whether to quit or fight, a fight between dark and the light side, the force within us is always killing us, and there's nothing wrong with what you feel, honestly it's a brave act to stop while you yet can, otherwise it becomes to late, sometimes taking a break, pampering oneself is really good, cause that refreshes our neurons so relax and gamble hard and safe.
7987  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / BCH VS BTC FEES. on: December 29, 2017, 09:01:10 AM
When bitcoin cash was launched a lot was said how it's cheaper than bitcoins, it's fees are very low. So to decide for myself since I was planning to make a small transaction of 50$ I was asked fees of 211$ by Bitcoin cash. While on the other hand Bitcoins asked me 18$ though 18$ is yet high but when I compare it to 211$ it feels small. We have been fed lies about how cheap bcc Is, it's not it's very expensive compared to bitcoin, I'm glad I didn't move to btc cash, hope this will help people stay loyal to btc not move to btc cash.

Edit: Since many are asking I'm using electron cash wallet, transfer amount is 0.01923 approx (50$), mining fees 0.11 (272$).
7988  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Bitcoin dip because of the Segwit2X fork? on: December 29, 2017, 08:45:18 AM
Why Bitcoin dip today, just before the Segwit2X hard fork? Normally, a fork only rises the Bitcoin price.

And the price of SegWit2x in https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/segwit2x/#markets also drops heavily.

There is a misunderstanding going around the community that because of the segwit2x the price dipped, it has nothing to do with the fork happening as this is not the real segwit2x but a clone. For most of you'll who are not aware, South Korea is mulling strict actions against Bitcoins and that's been another negative news for the crypto king, though there's lack of clarity what action shall take place, it was a blow as Korea is a booming market. Hence there was a fall, and the happening of the fork was just a coincidence.
7989  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin now make it super easy to fund something in full secret on: December 29, 2017, 08:39:37 AM
It does no matter for good cause or bad cause because what matter is bitcoin are not made for bad cause, if thare some peoples who use bitcoin for bad cause then it is not the blame for bitcoin, just like peoples who make and sell knife where knife can be used in the kitchen or can be used to hurt peoples.

I'm now using bitcoin to gather funds to advance the movement I'm on.

While your thoughts are noble, what are you planning your funds for? I feel there is a witch-hunt against Bitcoins, every press and person blames Bitcoins, they don't even see that it's a sham they're being fooled to blame Bitcoins, while the white collar people are making a merry it's really sad, hope this fools gain some knowledge.
7990  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bitvigo.com could be a scamsite, discuss please on: December 28, 2017, 04:29:33 PM
Hi LoyceV,

I have a better idea to confirm that we are ELEMANDER GROUP B.V. .
We will send 1EURO from a bank account own by ELEMANDER GROUP B.V. to an SEPA bank account that you own.

Let me know, and let's settle this forever.


Best regards,
Bitvigo.com team



What about settling my 1.4k btc? Lovce won't settle unless you return everyone money, and every one knows your shady business.
7991  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think about the future of BTC when fees increase? on: December 28, 2017, 09:58:03 AM
Prices are not stable, BTC will burst bubble or  fly the moon? Grin Grin Huh

What's with your name though? Bitcoins is here to stay and it shall sooner be back to previous heights, only a matter of time, plus we're even getting free segwit2x coins, which eth and cash user's are not going to get. So go hard on bitcoin while you yet can, once it catches speed you'll just live a life with regret you didn't invest. Make your move now or regret entire life.
7992  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: December 28, 2017, 08:41:51 AM
Liverpool bought from Southampton Van dijk for € 85M!
this is really an exaggerated evaluation!
with current prices as it would have cost Roberto Carlos? 300M?

It was just yesterday I was reading about the inflated price's in football transfer and then this happens, I really can't believe it, and have to agree with Jose statement, defender's are being brought at striker's price's. Meanwhile there're news circulating that. Manchester United have pulled out of Griezmann race. Mikitayan looks all set to leave. Jose wants Kane, Ali, Bale at Manchester United I don't think he really knows transfer now.
7993  Economy / Speculation / Re: Another dip before new year? on: December 28, 2017, 08:31:24 AM
Hey!

Will there be another dip before new year or around the first week of Jan? Last year there was a correction but i am still not sure. I have around $ 8K i want to invest in Btc & ethereum. Any leads would be nice.

I feel you should have already invested in Bitcoins irrespective of the price, why you would have asked. As I post anytime today segwit2x would take place, had you got btc in your wallet you would have been able to claim free coins, then sell those coins and buy eth, this way you could have eth and Bitcoin, Bitcoin has a tendency to slow down during initial periods but it shall nevertheless shoot up, buy it and see if you can yet get free coins. Another option buy physical funded Bitcoins, you'll get Bitcoins, plus all the fork that has happened.
7994  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How foolish are people who invest in Bitcoin? on: December 28, 2017, 03:44:58 AM
How many idiots who decided to invest in bitcoin!!!!!!!

It is necessary not to watch as he grows from 15000 to 17000. This is a visual illusion.
And as it grows from 1.5 to 1.7.....

In recent days printed 180 million tether and still no big growth....
Lending on the stock exchange came to a billion dollars.
The credit rate on the day was a record and more than the 0.103%.

This means that the market has reached its peak. The price of cryptocurrency maximum.
This is the moment when you have to sell everything.

So began a process of growth needs the infusion of more money.... They're gone.

I think the joy of endless growth to an end this weekend.

Nothing in this world is eternal and permanent.....
And rising prices of bitcoin are not eternal.... all ends already.....

So much jealousy and negativity, grow up and get a life man. Bitcoin is here to stay don't like it, stay away from it, don't come here and do melodrama. Bitcoin is going to make us all very reach, and as I post it's holders are will be receiving free coins of segwit2x, I really pity you that you'll be more upset since you didn't get free coins, but that's your loss for not trusting Bitcoins.
7995  Economy / Gambling / Re: BitDice Casino V4 MOST ADVANCED, SECURE, PACESETTER CASINO. TON OF EVENTS COMING on: December 27, 2017, 04:47:35 PM
this is a wonderful gambling i ever seen because they have treasure i love it.

Yes indeed they have a very clean interface and good UI and it's really easy and simple to use the site.

this is a wonderful gambling i ever seen because they have treasure i love it.

I like the site most because of graphic and colors.

Indeed their graphics and all are very nicely curated for user friendly experience, which helps us a lot when we browse the site. Everything is best about this amazing site. Best admin, team and ever improving games. Stick to this site and you shall enjoy a lot.
7996  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bitvigo.com could be a scamsite, discuss please on: December 27, 2017, 04:02:55 PM
I don't know what you trying to do but you are in the very wrong. There is now way to think that we are not a real company, please do you research better the next time.
Using fake KvK numbers is very common for scammers, and a huge red flag. I didn't need much research for that.

Using a fake KvK number? Well enter the KvK number at the official website of the The Dutch Chamber of Commerce and you will see www.bitvigo.com registered under the name ELEMANDER GROUP B.V. : https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000&origq=elemander+group
So what other do is not our problem, and agian go to there official website and you will see that www.elemander.com is registered as our official domain name.


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If you want to make that kind of accusation base it on real information not just loses text that a baby can put together.
That's not really a strong argument.

Well give me a strong argument, not things you don't know anything about.



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First of all our website bitvigo.com has a EV ssl certificate that means that one of the world biggest security firm verified us as an legit company, there is no way that they make mistakes.
I have never before seen anyone claim credibility based on an SSL certificate. There's no way this would stop a scammer from scamming.

Well then don't trust you bank websites, because is MAY be fake.


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Second of all see here or company register in The Dutch Chamber of Commerce: https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000&origq=elemander+group
That's the KvK number I told you, it's not what both your websites showed me.

Well you are wrong : http://elemander.com/contact-us.html   & https://www.bitvigo.com/support/ in footer.


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We delete you post because is bullsh*t because is has no no added value on the announcement that we placed, and you didn't react anymore to our answers.
I tried to start a public debate about it. Having a self-moderated ANN-thread is a big red flag already, so I expected my posts to be deleted. That makes this board the right place to continue the discussion in public.

Public discussion is good, when it's based on real information and not same wrong letters on the site.


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And please don't think that you know the Dutch law better than a company who spends 100K per year on advisory service.  
Read it for you self that Bitcoin or  alt coins are NOT regulated and DON'T need KYC/AML requirements.
I find it hard to believe you spend 100k on advisory services, and nobody told you your KvK number was wrong. Or how to spell Western Union for instance.
I never said crypto is regulated, I said it's monitored, and I don't know a single company that trades Bitcoin from anonymous users.

O noo fire, we missed the letter 'N' red flag.

Again crypto is not regulate nor monitored, there are enough company's that provide anonymous service like us.

Do you care to comment on the logos taken from The telegraph, Business Insider, TechCrunch and The Times? You ignored that part in your reply.

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Next time if you want to make an accusations please do you research and don't talk about things that you don't no about, don't make a fool of your self specially as an Legendary member
I'm willing to take that risk when there's several red flags. I love to be wrong on this one, but until I'm sure about it, it seems like a good thing to warn others. And for that reason I've created this thread.

You are making an accusation that we are not the company that we are talking about. Never heard that one. Please do more research and come back.
If you have more questions please contact COMMODO to ask about the validation of our website: https://ssl.comodo.com/ or mail us at bitvigo.hq@elemander.com


Bitcointalk community: Any thoughts on this?

Again ignore me scamshit well here is a proof, I'll send the legal notice to your mail, since your existing mails don't work, hopefully you'll recieve it and be jailed for good.

Here's a proof for all, peice of shit reply to this.

Here they confirm they recieve my coins and post that they stopped replying to me, my mails everything. Change the title to it is a scam site.

https://imgur.com/gallery/4hr2y

7997  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bitvigo.com could be a scamsite, discuss please on: December 27, 2017, 03:03:56 PM
(Possible) Scammers Profile Link: Bitvigo Official
I have not tried the site myself, I'm just trying to save some innocent victims.
He clearly only leaves all positive comments in his topic and deletes the rest. So far he's gained negative trust from 3 (non-DT) accounts.

What happened: Bitvigo Official opens several self moderated topics to promote his website (bitvigo.com). I posted in his thread to ask about things that don't add up on the website. I got a response, but after that my posts were deleted, so I open this topic.

My first (deleted) post:

The Dutch Chamber of Commerce is called KvK ("Kamer van Koophandel").

Can you explain to me how you got KvK number 669903 while the official KvK website tells me it doesn't exist (a KvK number should have 8 numbers)?

You claim to be part of ELEMANDER GROUP B.V., which according to has a different KvK number, and sells self-developed electronic devices.

The address on the website is a shared office building, the (official) address on the KvK website is an old residential apartment. Although this could be true, the official address certainly doesn't look like a location I would trust to send my money to.

My second (deleted) post:

... or check the The Dutch Chamber Of Commerce: https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000 .
That is what I just did, and it turns out it's different than what you're claiming.

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The KvK number was outdated, we updated the page.
I find it hard to believe you accidentally had the wrong KvK number on two different websites.

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www.company.info is not correct on there information.
Bedrijvenpagina.nl describes Elemander Group B.V. as a company that issues prepaid and debit Mastercards in the EU via post order. That does get closer indeed.
Forgive me for not believing anything I read on the internet, but if a financial company shows a wrong number, I think some questions are in place.


My gut feeling tells me the logos on the site (The telegraph, Business Insider, TechCrunch and The Times) are only there to inspire confidence, I can't find any mention of Bitvigo on their websites.

In one of his topics, he writes this:
Bitcoins & altcoins are not regulated or monitored  in The Netherlands so we can't ask for any identification because of our strict privacy laws.
This is not true. Any (official) Bitcoin related company in the Netherlands requires AML/KYC data (higher monetary amounts require more verification), and laws are only getting stricter. Crypto is monitored, and I can't imagine a legit company would claim otherwise.

Any thoughts on this?


Hello LoyceV,

I don't know what you trying to do but you are in the very wrong. There is now way to think that we are not a real company, please do you research better the next time.
If you want to make that kind of accusation base it on real information not just loses text that a baby can put together.

First of all our website bitvigo.com has a EV ssl certificate that means that one of the world biggest security firm verified us as an legit company, there is no way that they make mistakes.
Second of all see here or company register in The Dutch Chamber of Commerce: https://www.kvk.nl/orderstraat/product-kiezen/?kvknummer=674299470000&origq=elemander+group

Our office is also shown on our website: http://elemander.com/contact-us.html

We delete you post because is bullsh*t because is has no no added value on the announcement that we placed, and you didn't react anymore to our answers.

And please don't think that you know the Dutch law better than a company who spends 100K per year on advisory service. 
Read it for you self that Bitcoin or  alt coins are NOT regulated and DON'T need KYC/AML requirements. https://www.advocaten-amsterdam.nl/1439/Wet-en-regelgeving-bitcoins (You need to translate it self)


Next time if you want to make an accusations please do you research and don't talk about things that you don't no about, don't make a fool of your self specially as an Legendary member


Best regards,
Team Bitvigo.com

HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA BITVIGO YOU MADE ME LAUGH HARD, PEICE OF SHIT THIS GUY IS. THERE IS NO COMPANY THEY STOLE MY HARD EARNED MONEY.

YES THEY WILL DELETE ALL POST ABOUT THE SCAM.

THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A FAQ, THEY WILL BLOCK YOUR EMAIL.

HERE'S MY THREAD https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2405026.msg24603254#msg24603254

UNFORTUNATELY THIS FORUM HAS NO RULES TO RECOVER SCAMS THATS OKAY, BUT HIS ACCOUNT SHOULD BE DELETED.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS GUY UNTIL HE REFUNDS ALL.

THANKS FOR SHARING IT, HE ATLEAST REPLYIES TO YOU.
7998  Economy / Collectibles / Want to buy Bitcoin (50 - 80$) max I can pay via btc. on: December 27, 2017, 10:23:31 AM
I am looking to buy a unfunded btc coin only, max I can pay 80$ in Bitcoins. If anyone is interested in selling post here, if I like I'll get in touch. Post front and back side. Also if you have lower price Bitcoins post it. Do not pm me just post here, will get in touch you. Pic and amount if it's under my budget. Thanks in advance.
7999  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi Nakamoto is real? on: December 27, 2017, 03:45:56 AM
That is what i find now on Reddit https://redd.it/7m7y6r now  Huh Huh Huh

I read till the very end, this is such a perfect troll thread so sad it's not here on Bitcointalk.org lol, cause he had a account here, all his work is here and he suddenly goes to reddit, if you didn't spell a spam then you're dumb. Actually don't know whose dumber those people who replied to him, he refuses to sign a message and yet people believe him, reddit is not the forum I would rely for anything, this is a person playing with everyone emotions and I feel he should be ignored that's his best punishment.
8000  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: December 26, 2017, 11:21:49 AM
there are no big matches in the boxing day in the Premier League, but it will be very interesting to see if Kane will be able to make at least 1 goals and set the new record of goals in a calendar year in the Premier League. Currently in 2017 he scored 36 goals equaling the record of A.Shearer in 1995.
Moreover Kane scored (considering all the competitions) 53 goals in 2017 only one less than Messi (54) and can beat him.

It is interesting to see if Manchester City will improve its record of consecutive victories(17).
The absolute record of consecutive victories in the major leagues, is Bayern in 2014 (19 consecutive victories) coached by Guardiola!

Kane has been absolutely fantastic and I can't believe teams like Madrid and Barcelona have yet to get him, it's strange but he's in super hot form so I'm sure he'll score. I do expect Manchester United to win today's game to keep their slim title hope's alive, however as we know it's all but over, until miracle's happen after all its football. However I do believe Mourinho is playing a dangerous game and he could be sacked.
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