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81  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-12-30] Coinbase 'Extensively Prepared' for Spot Bitcoin ETF Approval on: January 02, 2024, 07:38:12 PM
That is good to hear given the number of entities who are using them for custody.  If they hadn't, I'd be worried.  I guess we'll find out soon enough which, if any, are approved.
82  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2023-12-04 Cointelegraph - Bitcoin prices should ‘logically’ correct in Jan on: December 22, 2023, 03:57:25 PM
It seems that happens a lot, people front-run it, then it sells off briefly and then resumes its trek upwards.  It happened at one (or more?) of the halving where it went up in fiat terms beforehand and then when it didn't immediately pop higher, people said, "why not?" and sold.  Then within a few weeks/months it kept going up.  The best advice:  buy (or mine) some bitcoin and put it away and come back in a few years.  But people want get-rich-quick schemes.

Very true, and one can validate this on-chart.

<50k DCA, >50k enjoy the ride is my opinion.

I do have two qualms about this thread though:
- Since when does mainstream crypto news talk about future corrections with a motive to cause people to sell, or miss the gain?
- if the 15+ ETF applications are approved, wouldn't that create a race to accumulate Bitcoin between institutions?

I would think that if they are approved, yes it would.  In the short term afterwards, there could be a drop as the "sell the news" hits, but as people begin to invest using ETFs it should only increase demand.  Assuming of course they really do purchase and hold bitcoins.  These are big players though so one would think they'd be honest.  Of course, if you don't have the keys you are just a creditor so....

83  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-12-08] Financial Times: ‘Number go up’: bitcoin’s startling surge is ... on: December 22, 2023, 03:55:03 PM
"‘Number go up’: bitcoin’s startling surge is inexplicable as ever"

The intelligence level of some of the people at FT is abysmally low.  They do tend to be on the authoritarian statist side of the aisle, so it isn't surprising that they push an anti-bitcoin agenda at every turn.  When you have to toe the line to support the people who want to have control over everyone and everything it is difficult to see the benefits of bitcoin.  However it must be tiring having to submit to the whims of the statists and not to have a unapproved or independent thought.
84  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-11-22] Robert Kiyosaki Says Prepare for Hyperinflation on: December 22, 2023, 03:51:20 PM
Honestly I think he is right if the US is not careful, I guess it'll all depend how the next election plays out and how the world economy is doing. It will probably also be largely affected by how all other countries percieve the USD at the time inflation occurs, most likely it will be accompanied by a devastating blow to the US economy or presidential adminiistration makes a collasel mistake etc. etc. I hope it doesn't happen anytime soon but it is very important to start preparing today!

I agree.  If the US is not careful you can easily get hyper inflation.  With the interest costs on the debt potentially ballooning, it can get out of handy quickly.  The smart move over the last 14-15 years would've been to finance all the outstanding debt at the super low rates using 100 year bonds.  But you can't expect the people in DC to be intelligent.
85  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin feels like a Western-type Democracy... on: December 10, 2023, 06:09:38 PM
Perhaps a constitutional republic.  Where the constitution is the code.  A pure democracy is fiat where a majority of the people are free to enslave a portion (e.g. the democrats in the old US south), or to take a percentage of everyone's money via inflation.

You should fear an unlimited democracy.
86  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2023-12-04 Cointelegraph - Bitcoin prices should ‘logically’ correct in Jan on: December 05, 2023, 05:20:28 PM
It seems that happens a lot, people front-run it, then it sells off briefly and then resumes its trek upwards.  It happened at one (or more?) of the halving where it went up in fiat terms beforehand and then when it didn't immediately pop higher, people said, "why not?" and sold.  Then within a few weeks/months it kept going up.  The best advice:  buy (or mine) some bitcoin and put it away and come back in a few years.  But people want get-rich-quick schemes.
87  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2023-12-03 CNBC/Money Report - Crypto execs say the bull run is underway on: December 05, 2023, 05:18:09 PM
I like the way people look out of the window and then see storm clouds on the horizon and then predict that it is going to rain.  Roll Eyes This is what these so-called experts are doing now... and people gobble up these predictions ..as if it is guaranteed.

So, what happens if the Spot ETF application are denied? What happens when the hype around the next Halving blows over.... will we still see those ATHs that are predicted?  Huh

Yeah, it is all guessing, no one knows for sure.  To me the ETF is icing on the cake since it just opens up another avenue for people to get into the ecosystem.  And as far as the halving, well, every other halving resulted in higher prices due to stable or increased demand and a cut in the new supply by half. 

By their nature forecasts, the fore implies it should be something in the future, not what they see out the window now.  As you say, there forecast isn't much use. 

88  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Joy of forgotten Bitcoin accounts... on: November 30, 2023, 04:30:27 PM
With the various forks, e.g. bitcoin gold etc, many people may have "forgotten" holdings out there.  It is difficult to know unless you are aware of every fork that has happened, so don't forget to look and see there too.
89  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-11-28] Reuters: In spot bitcoin ETF race, some pioneers stick to the ... on: November 30, 2023, 04:27:35 PM
For the larger providers a few millions dollars is a relative pittance.  I think the "no first mover advantage" is why the SEC is likely to approve a bunch at once if they approve any now - they don't want to be seen playing favorites.  This is good for everyone because competition will help keep costs low.
90  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-11-21] Optimistic Bitcoin Forecast: $120,000 by 2024 End on: November 30, 2023, 04:25:29 PM
Anyone can make predictions and will do so when there is no accountability to getting it wrong.   The best prediction was made long ago:  bitcoin is either going to be worth a whole lot, or very little.  It certainly seems most likely to be on the "whole lot" side of things now vs when that was made in 2009-2011.
91  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-11-21] What is Binance, why is it in so much trouble...? on: November 30, 2023, 04:23:23 PM
no big deal, just a redistribution of spheres of influence in the company

even the BNB reacted weakly

Yea, for some reason I thought this would cause some ripples and bigger waves in the Crypto community, but I reckon a lot of informed people predicted this will happen and they welcome this. A lot of the Fiat speculators thrive in a more regulated financial environment and they perceived Binance as risky operation.  Roll Eyes

I do not support any kind of criminal activity, but the industry needs unregulated entities like this to onboard the people that wants financial privacy. (NOT criminals, but people that understand and appreciate real financial privacy)   Tongue

There are many crooks involved in the crypto industry like in other industries, it just seems as if people are looking for a quick buck in crypto and are too credulous to actually look at what is going on.  Look at BlockFi, Celsius, FTX etc.  I don't know how people didn't see they were scams from the start.  I talked to an attorney (I won't say where, but he is pretty well known in the crypto area) who deals in this and he was convinced that Celsius and BlockFi were great.  Ditto FTX. 

If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. 

Nobody actually think that Zhao are sqeeky clean, because we all know he allowed anyone to use his exchange, no matter how "dirty" the money was. We also knew that law enforcement were on his case for years and that it was just a matter of time before he would have to face up to that.  Tongue

The good thing out of this is that the Exchange is going on... and that it will operate within the requirements of the law. (Even though most of us hate centralized financial entities in this scene..but we also see their advantages)  Undecided

Yes, for now exchanges are required.  Eventually one hopes that you can just stay in bitcoin and transact in bitcoin to avoid these exchanges.   Then there won't be a central point of failure.

More anonymity would be nice too though to protect people from the prying eyes of the authoritarian control freaks in charge in many places around the world.



92  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-11-21] What is Binance, why is it in so much trouble...? on: November 26, 2023, 04:58:04 PM
no big deal, just a redistribution of spheres of influence in the company

even the BNB reacted weakly

Yea, for some reason I thought this would cause some ripples and bigger waves in the Crypto community, but I reckon a lot of informed people predicted this will happen and they welcome this. A lot of the Fiat speculators thrive in a more regulated financial environment and they perceived Binance as risky operation.  Roll Eyes

I do not support any kind of criminal activity, but the industry needs unregulated entities like this to onboard the people that wants financial privacy. (NOT criminals, but people that understand and appreciate real financial privacy)   Tongue

There are many crooks involved in the crypto industry like in other industries, it just seems as if people are looking for a quick buck in crypto and are too credulous to actually look at what is going on.  Look at BlockFi, Celsius, FTX etc.  I don't know how people didn't see they were scams from the start.  I talked to an attorney (I won't say where, but he is pretty well known in the crypto area) who deals in this and he was convinced that Celsius and BlockFi were great.  Ditto FTX. 

If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. 
93  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-11-21] What is Binance, why is it in so much trouble...? on: November 26, 2023, 04:53:57 PM
...
" Zhao on Tuesday resigned as CEO and pleaded guilty to federal money laundering charges. US officials called the settlement the biggest-ever corporate resolution involving criminal charges for an executive. " ==> Yet, most CEOs of Banks in the financial crisis... got production bonuses.  Roll Eyes
...

The bank CEOs didn't commit felonies.  You need to look deeper:  why were non-creditworthy borrowers given loans?  Ask people in the US like Barney Frank and his ilk who forced the banks to use something other than creditworthiness to judge people for loans.  Blaming the CEOs is like blaming the firemen for not putting out the fire that the government started with a gas can.
94  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-11-22] Robert Kiyosaki Says Prepare for Hyperinflation on: November 26, 2023, 04:48:45 PM
I have read almost all of Robert Kiyosaki's books and I think he is clever enough to analyze current economic conditions to make accurate predictions. (well, you do not need to be a genius to see that we are heading towards disaster)  Roll Eyes

I believe a better preparation will be to collect "food" and "medicine" and "cigarettes" ...because the global politics are crazy and there are enough small fires to ignite a World War III.

I am not a "Doomsday prepper" but I can see what is straight in front of us.... so hide some bitcoins and fill the cupboards, because a storm are on the horizon.  Tongue

You don't need to be a doomsday prepper to be prepared.  The media has painted prepping as some "far right" activity again so that fewer people will be prepared and hence be dependent on the media's masters.  The left hates people who can take care of themselves and wants a dependent middle class who can be used and controlled.
95  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-11-14] If you created a wallet before 2016, your money may be at risk on: November 18, 2023, 10:24:18 AM

No. Bitcoind didn't use BitcoinJS for randomness.
96  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-11-17] Analysts Forecast Bitcoin Surging to $45,000 by Year-End 2023 on: November 18, 2023, 10:20:26 AM
Short term forecasts are always a challenge and this is no exception.  Is 45k likely?  Yes.  By the end of the year?  Who knows.  It is really just a guess.  There are plenty of catalysts going forward, but with the exception of the halving, the timing is wide open.
97  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-11-12] Bitstream White Paper Proposes Bitcoin Payments to Disrupt File ... on: November 18, 2023, 09:57:43 AM
Interesting concept.  Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see this on the bitcoin-dev list.  As the comments said, there are similar things, but having uses for bitcoin is nearly always a positive.
98  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-11-09] SEC Engages In Talks With Grayscale On Proposed Bitcoin ETF on: November 18, 2023, 09:51:25 AM
The SEC is in talks with Grayscale about a Bitcoin spot ETF, following their legal win in August. Grayscale is engaging with SEC units, and their Chief Legal Officer sees positive progress among firms like BlackRock and Fidelity. Despite Bitcoin hitting a 2023 peak at $36,000, the SEC, led by Gary Gensler, has yet to approve a spot ETF, citing concerns about fraud and market manipulation. Despite delays, major Wall Street players persist in submitting proposals, and Gensler emphasizes the prevalence of fraud in the crypto market.
Read the article: https://coinminutes.com/news/sec-engages-in-talks-with-grayscale-on-proposed-bitcoin-etf/

The fact that there are bureaucrats who have to approve something like this says a lot about the degree of freedom remaining in the US and in the world.  In a free country/world, adults should be free to enter into contracts like this without a hack like Gensler having to approve it or not.

The question is this, in most countries political leaders are voted into power by the majority of the citizens and they appoint those people in their positions to make those decisions. Are enough Bitcoin supporters doing the research to find out if they are voting for the correct political party that are supporting Bitcoin?

We now have some of the biggest financial management companies supporting spot ETF's and those same companies are making donations to political parties election campaigns.  Roll Eyes

I doubt they are yet.  Look at Argentina, Cyprus, or Venezuela for example.  How many times have the people of Argentina voted in authoritarians?  It really only takes one time, e.g. Venezuela, but Argentina keeps doing it, and to make matters worse, international finance still keeps funding them! How many times will it take the people of Argentina to realize that the same socialist authoritarian polices will keep destroying their wealth and thus their country?  The degree to which socialism is implemented correlates with the degree of the destruction.

This is part of the reason why a republic or democracy alone is a bad system of government unless there are constitutional limits on the power, otherwise you can have a tyranny of the majority.  Just look at the democrat slave owners in the old US south.  Just because it was in theory a republic or democracy, it didn't mean that a group weren't slaves.  That party is on the same page today: it is my right force people to work in my fields then, it is my right to force people to pay for other choice now due to "need".






99  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Whatever happens, hold on to your Bitcoin. on: November 10, 2023, 03:15:25 PM
There is growing excitement in the Bitcoin community following the gains recorded by Bitcoin. The reason for this growth is hardly unconnected to rumors of Bitcoin ETF approval. Have we thought about what will happen to Bitcoin price should all the ETF get rejected? I don't want to imagine this but whatever happens, hold on to your Bitcoin.

There have been bull run without Bitcoin ETF and there will always be bull run even if the ETF is rejected. So even when the market temporarily nosedives if the ETF is rejected, do not panic. Once again, hold on to your Bitcoin and do not panic.

In short, this is the advice that has been given since 2009:  fiat price volatility is pretty irrelevant, don't look at the price daily, come back in a few years and you'd have been happy.  The long term trend has been an increase in fiat price as more people recognize the value proposition in bitcoin. 
100  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Simple Reason Why Bitcoin is not Money on: November 10, 2023, 03:13:17 PM
I've read OP thread, but it recalls me of something so i did quick research and it turns out OP mostly recycle his old thread which has title A Simple Reason Why Bitcoin and Crypto Prices Must Fall to Zero. And personally i disagree that OP determine fiat is money because bank action which enable Fractional-reserve banking.

There have been similar arguments since 2009, 2010 etc.  In July 2010 there were similar arguments on slashdot when bitcoin was mentioned there.  More than 13 years later, they still don't hold water.  People see the problems with fiat not backed by anything of value:  the value of fiat is at the whim of a majority of the political class who want money and power. 

A free people have the power to withdraw themselves from the caprice of the politicians and protect the products of their lives using PMs, bitcoin etc.  A lot of smart people are doing so and have done so. 
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