$3m was invested in total (1m first round, 2m second) and they'll get 1.65% of total supply.

In other words, with current price, their investment is worth $122m, or 40x return. If Roger Ver invested 100 BTC, it's now worth 4000 BTC.

The founders, with current price, has about $618m.

I somehow missed this, but it seems zcash will have a slow mining start: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.msg16682583#msg16682583

If so, this is going to be even worse. I thought 7200 coins a day was bad. This is a disaster. The hype and complete lack of supply could drive the price to temporary bitcoin parity. Good opportunity for those able to short at the right time, I might have started too soon at 0.2.

There is no way to run it without GUI at the moment. I have a monitor. There are plans for API.

I've made many trades on bitsquare. Works great. Often I have gotten a much better price on bitsquare than poloniex (by people taking my offers). It's been a bit slow lately, but we have also had declining volume on poloniex so not that surprising. I highly recommend giving it a try, if only to help bootstrap the market. We still need a lot of market makers. I have setup a dedicated computer to have my bids/asks online 24/7, you can do that with a cheap raspberry pi (albeit a bit slow). Support privacy and decentralization. If enough people do it, the market will run itself.

I just had a quick look at your post history. May I suggest that you create your own topic for those kind of predictions to track your progress. Some traders are already doing that and it can be interesting to see how you perform long term. If you post those predictions here it would be really useful to add some more reasoning as to why you have specific targets. Whether you think it's going down due to technical analysis or if it's for fundamental reasons, simply back your prediction with some reasoning. Go into depth about why you think it's going down, not just that it's going down. If you do that I think you'll receive much less hostility.

People starting with a conclusion and then trying to find evidence is readily discerned and gets pretty tiring for most of us (I am not saying you did that), but some will always dislike negative sentiment even if true (denial), that is to be expected when money is involved. However I think most do appreciate contrarian opinions if they are reflected and not just comments such as "going to x" or even as some would say "going to x, bitches". Don't get me wrong, those comments are fine, but belong to a dedicated topic as they bring no value to the discussion.

Thank you. Very kind of you to not take the money yourself. I want to pay with bitcoin, so I'll send it to SENS since they accept it. Will edit this post with transaction proof once I have paid.

Edit:

https://i.imgur.com/bcWJkk6.png

https://blockchain.info/address/17iLZwva9QZnrTtJzYa1r6mNHkjuPCpEuW

https://blockchain.info/tx/3759a49c97a3970d80562c19213a09c36d566367fb4b9710adc130982c890ca8

I consider Monero Development "real", but how about SENS ? http://www.sens.org/donate

Support will help us in our mission to research, develop and promote comprehensive regenerative medicine solutions for the diseases and disabilities of aging.

Well there's this but I don't even want to argue with you, just thankful that you're willing to leave, I will donate $600 to Monero development, is that OK?

N-rG/adolf/moneylooser: I have the impression that you don't have much money and that you're chasing pennies with your trades. I wonder if you're even in profit (it's fine not to be, it takes time to learn). If my suspicion is correct, you are basically ruining a perfectly good thread for little reward. Most of us here are not chasing pennies, and we enjoy this thread. Your constant posts with lies, FUD and boasting bring very little value. Yet, we value this thread enormously (I used to read all new posts, but now it can go pages without me bothering to read). You are suffering from a delusion because you think your posts actually affect the price, and it's obvious that you post to make us buy/sell in your direction, you're trying to make money off our backs.

Fair enough, you want money.

Well I thought about this... the topic is worth something. It's worth way more than the pennies you are chasing. So here's my idea: you leave this thread alone, take all the sock-puppets with you and leave for minimum 6 months. As a reward (think of it as a price we pay to get our thread back) I will send you $300 by the end of it. That's $50 per month. What do you say?

There is no pre-mine, founders get 10% of all coins (2.1 million). The first 4 years they get 20% of the block reward. See chart

Nobody knows what it will start trading at, however the futures market could be an indication. Right now the price is 0.18 BTC. Of course, when zcash launches there will be a lot of demand and almost zero supply. So it's not completely infeasible that trading will not only start at 0.2 BTC but go to 0.3 .. 0.5 .. 0.8 etc... It could get really crazy. In my opinion it won't last very long and will result in a long bear market shortly thereafter as more supply hits the exchanges. This isn't good for the coin either as people like growth and not everlasting bear markets.

Including you

Due to the massive hype around zcash I originally thought we would see a bloodbath in monero, but that was before the futures marked priced it as high as 0.2 BTC. Now I'm not so sure. If this price ends up being the starting price when zcash is added to exchanges it will seem very overpriced, with little upside. Everyone and their grandma wants in on this thing, but at these outrageous prices I wouldn't be surprised if they start buying other anonymous coins like zcoin, monero etc... Similar to the altcoin frenzy we had during the massive bitcoin bubble of 2013. People thinking it's expensive buy the undervalued coins in the same industry.

It's a futures market on bitmex which means people are betting on the future price on date x. The date is completely arbitrary and chosen by bitmex. On that day, bitmex will take the price at some other exchange where zcash is traded and use it to settle the futures market. People who bought lower than that price or shorted higher will win.

Quoting Zooko himself: "unfortunately we do not have the engineering capacity to support Windows and Mac for the 1.0 launch." [source]

So it seems your only alternative is to use linux to create a wallet (at least on launch). I imagine there will be plenty of exchanges adding zcash though, so you'll be able to buy and store it there until you figure out the wallet.

ZEC Price Speculation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1654794

Not possible yet. You'll have to wait for the launch on October 28th. However you can still bet on the price in the futures market over at bitmex. The way this works is that people short and others can then take those offers and long. On December 30th the market will be settled at the current market price. So if you believe the price is too low at 0.2 BTC, you could long now and then if the market price is 0.3 BTC on December 30th you'll have made 50% profit. Keep in mind that the market may fluctuate a lot in the meantime and you'll have a liquidation price, so there's a risk with the high volatility. You could add more funds to your account to maintain a better liquidation price though.

ZEC is one of the most anticipated coins in the history of crypto. First announced as Zerocoin in 2013 and later Zerocash in an improved version (now Zcash for short). The idea of complete anonymity has always been attractive to crypto enthusiasts and could possibly be a requirement in the future to ensure fungibility. I think Zerocoin is one that most early adopters of bitcoin are aware of. This long period since announcement and release has surely built up a lot of excitement. However there has since come out several other "anonymous" crypto's.

In my opinion the current price is crazy. There's no way it's worth that much. Even if the technology is great, it has no usage or adoption. But still, I wouldn't be surprised if things got even crazier. There's obviously a lot of hype going on. My guess is that the price won't last as coins enter the market, more than 430k will be mined in the first two months. The futures are for price on Dec 30th which means it has to stay that high after a full two months. It seems unlikely, so I'll try my luck shorting as it continues up from 0.2 BTC.

edit: It seems slow mining will be used instead of the above (thanks to bobabouey2 for analysis):