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801  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 21, 2015, 04:14:21 PM
Guys I need little help.

I used Tao's instructions to get MN online on vultr server. Dash ninja shows that MN is online and active but Dashwhale has some status issue. Does anyone have this problem and does anyone know how to fix this?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1oongbxq3ka3rkv/dn.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6suws4qvpvvqjqw/dw.jpg?dl=0
Dashwhale requires you to run a program on your masternode server to avoid the warning.  Your node looks like it is working fine.  It will take about 5 days before your first payment.

Here is a start.
wget https://www.dashwhale.org/downloads/dashwhale-updater-v3.tgz -O - | tar -xz
Follow the readme.

More details under account settings on dashwhale.org.
802  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 20, 2015, 07:47:57 PM
Successful people live in the now, they do not dwell on past mistakes, and move on quickly.
successful people build and create new ideas and think big.
Successful people are not petty, and do not find it necessary to put others down in order to bolster their ego.

Failed people focus on other people's character traits/weaknesses and try to bring them down, and think in a small narrow minded way, focusing on how they look and not what they do or make.
Failed people do not get on with their work, they prefer to meddle in other's creativity as they lack their own.
Failed people put new ideas down, as it challenges their often (small) intellect and ego because they didn't think of it first.
Successful people ignore trolls!

I assume there is some banter going on with this smoothie character, but since I am practicing being successful....
803  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 20, 2015, 07:24:37 PM
does anyone mine at coinmine.pw https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=406178.680

btw its dev gone and says on its website
Quote
I'm sorry, but I should discontinue Coinmine.pw service. I got answer from HDD repair laboratory, what it impossible to restore data for reasonable price. It can be restored, but it costs several thousands dollars. This is much more when total information value.

I was happy to maintain this service for your for about 2 years, it was a nice trip, buy I have no desire to continue this service now.

im sure they were mining dash in that pool too, and if they run away with the coin im sure they dump the coin. which btw might explain why dash price still in this range.
I doubt there was much as far as coins to dump.  I ran a pool for a while, and maybe made a total of $30 for 6 months.  Even middlecoin and wafflepool closed and they ran with huge hashrates.
804  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 20, 2015, 06:38:59 PM
Whelp - appears that my Pi2b MN wants to crash now - every 2 dayz :-(

ugh....
not good.

Do you have a cron job to restart it when the Pi restarts? Or does the Pi not restart?

Pi is not re[boot/start]ing - it just crashes
I have/had a short script running in the background with screen [by:solar...] but
it didn't recover and crashes - uh

have ta think about this one....

might rebuild it - not sure

edit: could SD corrupt but I didn't backup this build - and I know better - haha

Do you have any heatsinks on your pi?  It's such a barebones system.... Sorry, but that's why I won't even use one of my linux boxes.  Our power could go out, all kinds of things happen, and having a vps takes all that headache away for like $5 a month.  Yet, I still had one go down a few days ago, don't know why.  Just before it was due for a payment, LOL.  So shit happens, and if you're able to keep an eye on your pi and don't mind, I suppose it can be lots of fun Cheesy  I plan on using mine for testnet next time, so I'm thankful for all your tutorials!

No heat-sink - not really needed - and I'm not <setgenerate true 1> anymore so.... heat not really an issue
-a heat crash would reboot the system and not just crash DASH so....
Mangled Blue,
Your crashes or lockups could be caused by static.  I have plastic cases for my Pis and they came with heatsinks.  I would suggest the $10 investment (from ebay) at least to make sure that isn't your problem.  Make sure you get the right Pi2 or Pi1 case since they are different.

The Pi I use to run my USB BFL miners would have lockups with a miner every few days.  Don't know if it was a usb or BFL problem.  I solved it by rebooting once a day.  The Pi uses the same USB chip for networking.  It might be loosing networking for a second or two causing problems.  Who knows.
805  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 19, 2015, 08:08:03 PM
We are officially considered a COMMIDITY in the States now.... so - just say'n :-P
Thanks for updating us.  Here is an article about it.

http://www.morningticker.com/2015/09/us-trade-commisson-deems-bitcoin-an-official-commondity/

This is similar to the how Bitcoin is handled in the rest of the world.  I wonder if the KYC Fincen stuff still applies for exchanging to Fiat, or if you just need to be registered as a swap execution facility.  Does anyone know more about this?
806  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 19, 2015, 07:54:05 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-18/fed-opens-negative-interest-rate-pandoras-box-what-happens-next

We are in negative interest rate territory in the US.  This happens right before the gig is up.  Two interesting excerpts from the article below.  So what if we combine these and make it anonymous....digital and cash...dash...Ah I think I see the answer.  DASH is NIRP Resistant.

    First, as noted above, cash and NIRP simply do not mix as cash provides the general population a handy way of circumventing the intentionally punitive implications of negative rates, which as a tax on all savers, would force everyone to spend savings the moment these were created. The thinking here, of course, would be that with savings immediately converted to consumption, the velocity of money would surge and boost economic growth in the process even if it was conducted under punitive rate duress.
    Second, and even more important, is the blockchain basis of bitcoin, which is precisely why the Fed is so fascinated by it. With a perpetual and current ledger of every single transaction in the monetary domain, a digital currency such as bitcoin provides the Fed something cash never would - a constant database (or ledger) of every single transaction everywhere and any given moment.
807  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 18, 2015, 08:35:18 PM
Got my first MN online.

Thank you MangledBlue  Cheesy
Congrats.  A couple resources if you want to monitor your masternode.
www.dashwhale.org - site with monitoring, voting, and notifications.

dashninja.pl - Put your IP in where the xxs are and you will have a personalized MN lookup.
https://dashninja.pl/?mnregexp=(xx.xx.xx.xx)#mnlistdetail

Not affiliated with either, except for my donations to them.
808  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 18, 2015, 06:20:59 PM

Stockmarket plummet.

I thought it was only supposed to plummet if they raised rates, but the fact they've not seems to be having the same effect.

Does that mean that central banks are losing control ?

<mod-mitigation-content-in-context-don't-taze-me-bro>

What does this have to do with Dash ?

Well, after 1944, the Bretton Woods system was effectual almost worldwide. Gold backed the $dollar and the $dollar backed every other currency in the world. When I say "backed" I don't just mean in a confidence building way, I mean "backed" as in "convertible to".

When the US started running out of hard cash to pay forthe Vietnam war, it took advantage of the fact that it was creator of the world's reserve currency and simply unhooked it from the gold peg and started printing (counterfeiting - from the perspective of the gold standard), backing it with debt instead of gold.

From 1971 onwards, the resulting debt based monetary expansion provoked an equally rip-roaring rise in interest rates up until 1981 when they peaked. Since then they've been reducing as recession after recession ensues due to the boom-bust debt expansion splutter that financial free-for-all induced. (That was also what gave rise to the massive derivatives market in the 1990's and 2000's).

Now rates are back to zero but the bubbles and balloons are everywhere, ready to burst.

Clearly, the only natural way for all this to end is that the bubbles collapse into something real, where monetary tokens have some fixed anchor - at least as their value base if not as their day to day trading manifestation.

The top 20-30 cryptocurrencies are in line to catch the debris from all this and Dash more than most because of its direct monetary priorities such as those that address scaleability and accessability independently of any financial superstructures.

</mod-mitigation-content-in-context-don't-taze-me-bro>

Here he is - the man himself making the announcement that kicked the whole process off. Enjoy !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iRzr1QU6K1o#t=62

Great post.  Key words here are debt expansion.  You can only sell more debt for so long until someone stops believing it has value.  The flight to assets(gold,silver,Bitcoin,DASH,land,etc) has/will begin.  Bonds, stocks, fiat are only promises.
809  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 17, 2015, 11:19:33 PM
Breaking news!
Coindesk spoke about Dash!
Lol! That tards will burn in the inferno!

http://www.coindesk.com/press-releases/cryptocurrency-exchange-laissez-faire-launches-49-states/
Saw a little opportunity on a Dash/BTC trade on LZF.com.  Sold 3 dash at .125 DASH/BTC and converted back via Shapeshift at .0105 for a nice little bonus for testing it out.

Dash Deposits take 24 confirms(an hour) ouch.  Fees are not obvious but not ridiculous either.  The withdrawal fee for BTC is .0002 but it doesn't say that until you try to withdraw.  They provide payouts for holding funds on the exchange - could be good for someone placing big trade walls.  I bet Otoh will enjoy that.
810  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 17, 2015, 09:07:06 PM
Quote from: coindesk link=http://www.coindesk.com/press-releases/cryptocurrency-exchange-laissez-faire-launches-49-states/ date=1442522316
For now, the platform supports Bitcoin, Nxt, Dash (Darkcoin), Litecoin, Peercoin, and US Dollar

That is actually a great combination for trading if you ask me.

The inclusion of Power PC really is a huge endorsement for that coin. It's been one of the great survivors and having got this far, I think it has a huge chance of sustaining a long term presence from here. I always liked it - trunk route, high-fee, heavy lifting cryptocurrency backbone.

EDIT: Sh*t - seems my thoughts struck a common chord. There's only a 320 BTC buywall over at BTCe right now where I was about to induldge myself in a little hedge.

(Guess what that means for Dash  Wink   Front door $USD markets in 49 states without having to pass through bitcoin. Looks like that video was wheeled out just in time).

It's here as well: http://cointelegraph.com/news/115287/bitcoin-exchange-lzf-legally-launches-in-49-states-excluding-new-york

They've still got the old Darkcoin logo. Maybe someone should let them have the new one.
Is there any reason they can't do DASH in NY?  Maybe they should consider DASH as digital cash.

Love this statement on the NY bitlicense proposal discussion:
However, it is our hope that digital currency and other innovations in payments technology – together with prudent regulation – will help deliver better service and lower costs to customers over the long term.

See what that did for you NY?  You just got DASHED over because of your "prudent regulation".
811  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 17, 2015, 05:10:00 PM
ugh - again - MN DOWN!!!!

WTF???


 - -- -
One word of advice - If you run a Pi2b: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Protect it from flashes of LIGHT!!!
That's right - flashes of LIGHT can and will re-boot your Pi2b
Don't ask me why but for some reason - when the Pi2b is exposed to a bright flash of light - it re-boots

strangest thing I ever seen a computer do - uhhh....
It must be overcharging that flux capacitor.  Check your SD card, maybe time for an upgrade.

I was just thinking last night that I did not back-up my SD card after this last build from scratch - ugh
which just means that I'll have to rebuild from scratch again


(I added a pix and question to the OP :-P
30% CPU usage, is the CPU overheating?  You can get some heatsinks to put on the 3 or 4 chips that get hot - good idea if you have a case.
812  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 17, 2015, 04:59:16 PM
ugh - again - MN DOWN!!!!

WTF???


 - -- -
One word of advice - If you run a Pi2b: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Protect it from flashes of LIGHT!!!
That's right - flashes of LIGHT can and will re-boot your Pi2b
Don't ask me why but for some reason - when the Pi2b is exposed to a bright flash of light - it re-boots

strangest thing I ever seen a computer do - uhhh....
It must be overcharging that flux capacitor.  Check your SD card, maybe time for an upgrade.
813  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 17, 2015, 08:42:52 AM
Can we run a testing node on the same server as a standard masternode?  It should use a different port right?

Maybe we can do a piggyback deal that automatically runs the testing node with a standard masternode.

You can, but it's a really bad idea.  The server can crash, things could get corrupted, it's just not safe, and you'll lose your income if the server goes down.  This can happen easily during a memory leak, where your resources are stretched to the limit, crashing the system, or causing your service provider to turn off your server.

Happens all the time in testing.

Over-the-top, worst case scenario assuming you don't already run autoreboot/autostart scripts (would get you back up and running before you are out of queue so no loss of income) and quite frankly, have a shitty service provider. With separate profiles, I have yet to see the base case for file corruption and the not safe comment is just bullshit.

The larger point made by eduffield is that we need a testing environment that more closely resembles mainnet. V12 didn't have more than a few hundred nodes and a few more people piggybacking aren't going to get us to 3000 testnet nodes.
Test-DASH is free but servers cost money - even on t-net

TESTER's need to be paid also - no different from the DEVs
My point I was trying to make originally, is that maybe a testing daemon could be built into the normal masternode dashd.  Effectively, using the same servers as the main net without any extra server expenses while simulating the same network environment.  I realize this isn't as secure or could cause problems, but it would sure be innovative if it could be pulled off.

hummm - so...

and hear me out..


DASH turned a FORK into a SPORK


Are you now asking that DASH turn MAIN-net into a PHASE 2 t-net??

WHY  - THAT's COMPLETELY CRAZY !!!!

but - - - if you used a "mechanism" on Main-net - using PHASE 2 tech - you could talk backwards, to previous versions, to maintain a greater network stability moving forward - while then phasing out previous versions to create the consensus....

FOR EXAMPLE:::
When moving from V11 to V12 -
Test-net happened....

but - now that we have 'Phase 2' built-in (still the example)
We can phase-in new CODE while also phase-out old CODE

You could look at it as a SPORK on steroids with phases in Versions and not just features
[sorry but that sounds like a HUGE re-write..... so many CODE lines - ugh]

Maybe I'm thinking of Protocol Bumps - in that case - not so sure it could work


right then - I'm bat-shit crazy right now so - pay no attention to me - -  - off to bed

ugh


either way - I'm all for it
[I'm thinking  - Fractals]


edit: I still want to see multi-port MN's on the same IP - but - with a limit of (2-4) MN's per IP  - I still think it could happen
How about calling it a rolling spork?  Each node has a main port and test port.  V12 is stable on main port.  Install V13 on test port.  Revise until stable.  Then roll V13 to main port.  Install V14 on test port.  If the test port crashes - no biggie roll back to main port until new test version has a fix.

Or better yet, have the masternode figure out the new code to fix itself.....ok done watching Terminator.  No Skynet.
814  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 17, 2015, 06:21:50 AM
Can we run a testing node on the same server as a standard masternode?  It should use a different port right?

Maybe we can do a piggyback deal that automatically runs the testing node with a standard masternode.

You can, but it's a really bad idea.  The server can crash, things could get corrupted, it's just not safe, and you'll lose your income if the server goes down.  This can happen easily during a memory leak, where your resources are stretched to the limit, crashing the system, or causing your service provider to turn off your server.

Happens all the time in testing.

Over-the-top, worst case scenario assuming you don't already run autoreboot/autostart scripts (would get you back up and running before you are out of queue so no loss of income) and quite frankly, have a shitty service provider. With separate profiles, I have yet to see the base case for file corruption and the not safe comment is just bullshit.

The larger point made by eduffield is that we need a testing environment that more closely resembles mainnet. V12 didn't have more than a few hundred nodes and a few more people piggybacking aren't going to get us to 3000 testnet nodes.
Test-DASH is free but servers cost money - even on t-net

TESTER's need to be paid also - no different from the DEVs
My point I was trying to make originally, is that maybe a testing daemon could be built into the normal masternode dashd.  Effectively, using the same servers as the main net without any extra server expenses while simulating the same network environment.  I realize this isn't as secure or could cause problems, but it would sure be innovative if it could be pulled off.
815  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 17, 2015, 03:18:32 AM
Can we run a testing node on the same server as a standard masternode?  It should use a different port right?

Maybe we can do a piggyback deal that automatically runs the testing node with a standard masternode.

You can, but it's a really bad idea.  The server can crash, things could get corrupted, it's just not safe, and you'll lose your income if the server goes down.  This can happen easily during a memory leak, where your resources are stretched to the limit, crashing the system, or causing your service provider to turn off your server.

Happens all the time in testing.
Thanks TS.  I can run some test nodes in separate virtual machines to help out.  Just need some help on getting started and getting test coins.
816  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 17, 2015, 02:13:36 AM
Or just run my new restart script, instead of investing in testing.   Smiley  It figures out if any node is over 1 block behind the average of 7 nodes.  If it finds a slow node or gets a bad block number, it will will log the last 30 lines, shut it down nice, then kill it, and then restart it.  Cycles every 16 minutes.  You need to rename each dashd/dash-cli, do some port forwarding, and port changes in the configs to get all the nodes to run at the same time.  Delete the nodes as needed.  This should work with just two nodes.  See my previous post for the single node version.

Bring on V13, I am ready!
Code:
#!/bin/bash
#screen -dm /bcheck7.sh
#screen -X -S 11111 kill (screen -ls for 11111)
while true
do
b1=$(/home/dash/dash1-cli -datadir=/home/dash/.dash1/ getblockcount)
b2=$(/home/dash/dash2-cli -datadir=/home/dash/.dash2/ getblockcount)
b3=$(/home/dash/dash3-cli -datadir=/home/dash/.dash3/ getblockcount)
b4=$(/home/dash/dash4-cli -datadir=/home/dash/.dash4/ getblockcount)
b5=$(/home/dash/dash5-cli -datadir=/home/dash/.dash5/ getblockcount)
b6=$(/home/dash/dash6-cli -datadir=/home/dash/.dash6/ getblockcount)
b7=$(/home/dash/dash7-cli -datadir=/home/dash/.dash7/ getblockcount)
ba=$[($b1+$b2+$b3+$b4+$b5+$b6)/6]
if [ $[$b1+1] -lt $ba ]; then
tail -n 30 /home/dash/.dash1/debug.log >> crash1.log
/home/dash/dash1-cli stop
sleep 30
pkill -9 dashd1 dash_shutoff
sleep 10
/home/dash/d1.sh
exit
fi
if [ $[$b2+1] -lt $ba ]; then
tail -n 30 /home/dash/.dash2/debug.log >> crash2.log
/home/dash/dash2-cli stop
sleep 30
pkill -9 dashd2 dash_shutoff
sleep 10
/home/dash/d2.sh
exit
fi
if [ $[$b3+1] -lt $ba ]; then
tail -n 30 /home/dash/.dash3/debug.log >> crash3.log
/home/dash/dash3-cli stop
sleep 30
pkill -9 dashd3 dash_shutoff
sleep 10
/home/dash/d3.sh
exit
fi
if [ $[$b4+1] -lt $ba ]; then
tail -n 30 /home/dash/.dash4/debug.log >> crash4.log
/home/dash/dash4-cli stop
sleep 30
pkill -9 dashd4 dash_shutoff
sleep 10
/home/dash/d4.sh
exit
fi
if [ $[$b5+1] -lt $ba ]; then
tail -n 30 /home/dash/.dash5/debug.log >> crash5.log
/home/dash/dash5-cli stop
sleep 30
pkill -9 dashd5 dash_shutoff
sleep 10
/home/dash/d5.sh
exit
fi
if [ $[$b6+1] -lt $ba ]; then
tail -n 30 /home/dash/.dash6/debug.log >> crash6.log
/home/dash/dash6-cli stop
sleep 30
pkill -9 dashd6 dash_shutoff
sleep 10
/home/dash/d6.sh
exit
fi
if [ $[$b7+1] -lt $ba ]; then
tail -n 30 /home/dash/.dash7/debug.log >> crash7.log
/home/dash/dash7-cli stop
sleep 30
pkill -9 dashd7 dash_shutoff
sleep 10
/home/dash/d7.sh
exit
fi
sleep 1000
done
817  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 17, 2015, 01:48:57 AM
I'm just going to throw one more idea out there and then I'm off.

How about some trusted member of the testing team lodge a proposal to fund a masternode or two to reward the testers! Sure the rewards won't be anything like last month's proposal but, it may provide some small incentive and also may be worth quite a lot more in the future.

One way of providing more incentive perhaps would be to have a lottery among testers, so that instead of lots of tiny payouts, all testers are in with a chance of one large payout, or a few payouts.

Then there would always be at least some funds to incentivise testing and the masternode network would be supported at the same time.
I like the idea to support testing.  Why are we tying up 1000 coins forever?  Why not just set a 20 coins/month budget?  Or some reasonable number that makes sense.  Just payout the participants with a lottery like you suggest or split it up.

We really need something much more extensive for testing. I want to make a cluster on AWS, that all core team members have access to. We can run a few hundred masternodes using this cluster, do scripted updates and test various network issues, etc. Then at the end of testing, we could even scale the cluster to 3000 masternodes to make sure it works at the levels we're using for mainnet. We could even setup the cluster to have a centralized logging system so the developers could search the logs for error messages and see what was happening without logging into a million servers.

Infrastructure is the most expensive part of testing and it would be nice to have that covered by the budget. Besides that we could have bug bounties, like 10-50 DASH per bug found for the testers. There's no hurry though, we'd rather utilize the budget to make the public aware of the project and build a nice onboarding system.

The budget system turned out to be a pretty powerful tool for us. There's so many ideas that are being tossed around that would have never worked otherwise.
Can we run a testing node on the same server as a standard masternode?  It should use a different port right?

Maybe we can do a piggyback deal that automatically runs the testing node with a standard masternode.
818  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 17, 2015, 01:42:53 AM
Charity is just that.  Open up a donation address, pick a cause, and request donations.  This doesn't have anything to do with voting on the masternode network.

I put a ton of time and effort into mining curecoin and other altruistic coins.  It isn't that I am opposed to charity, it just isn't going to be the first thing a group of 3100 masternodes vote for.  (Or maybe it is, so submit a proposal)

To some extent I agree, I was just throwing the ideas out there. Though, the post was referring to a previous post about setting up a masternode/s with the budget funds. It's a little frustrating though that a great technology for voting on proposals is there but can only be used for voting on the budget proposals.

To be fair, you don't necessarily need all 3100 masternodes to vote, you could away with around 10% of that figure if it is an incredibly popular proposal.
There are other methods to vote with a bockchain.  Here is one site working on Bitcoin voting.
http://cryptovoter.com/
819  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 17, 2015, 01:19:26 AM
I'm just going to throw one more idea out there and then I'm off.

How about some trusted member of the testing team lodge a proposal to fund a masternode or two to reward the testers! Sure the rewards won't be anything like last month's proposal but, it may provide some small incentive and also may be worth quite a lot more in the future.

One way of providing more incentive perhaps would be to have a lottery among testers, so that instead of lots of tiny payouts, all testers are in with a chance of one large payout, or a few payouts.

Then there would always be at least some funds to incentivise testing and the masternode network would be supported at the same time.
I like the idea to support testing.  Why are we tying up 1000 coins forever?  Why not just set a 20 coins/month budget?  Or some reasonable number that makes sense.  Just payout the participants with a lottery like you suggest or split it up.
820  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 17, 2015, 01:09:23 AM
I don't get why is masternode count rising while the price is falling. No masternode payments can ever compensate losses from the dumps. So you can make more profit if you sell at the right time rather than from making masternodes.

The only reason I see is that there are many people who just want to selflessly support the project regardless of the ROI.
There are some of us that believe this is a good price and good time to buy.  (and if you just got paid from installing a few solar jobs, you have some funds to put into DASH.)

The question is, do you trust a bank(subject to bail-ins), a fiat currency(inflating away), or the first ever decentralized, distributed voting, private, instant, secure cryptocurrency, with an x% payback with masternodes.

Whoah, I dunno about all that... I just invested longer term, expecting/hoping to make a profit.
Sorry, I left out some other options for investing. Smiley  The high frequency traders siphoning off of stocks that are also falling, gold/silver under price suppression, housing in a bubble, etc.  Even if the sky isn't falling, DASH is still pretty cool when you think about all that i can do.
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