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801  Economy / Economics / Re: How negative interest rates affect Bitcoin on: August 14, 2019, 02:11:45 PM
I'm actually very conservative when it comes to the geopolitical tensions and their *assumed* impact on Bitcoin. I strongly believe that most of the correlation that we have seen so far is pure coincidence.

People within crypto are cherry picking just to help them justify their bullish narrative, while they purposely discard all the non correlated moves we have had in the past. It's somewhat understandable but looks a bit silly.

Back in 2018 no one said a word about how stocks greatly outperformed Bitcoin, while this year's bull run has been put against stocks in the way that they suck as an investment and Bitcoin is superior....
802  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Weekly Update 08-04-19: Bulls are back in town on: August 14, 2019, 01:14:51 PM
So let's remain optimistic here that the price won't go sub five digits and let the price goes on the $10k-$11k and somewhat stable and then wait for the next big news to push the price to $12k-$15k or even more. The bears is still present, but the bulls are just resting and anytime we will see it making another run.
You don't gain much by being optimistic without there being some underlying technicals that back it up. Being overly optimistic or negative only leads to more disappointment because you aren't ready for a different outcome.

As a Bitcoin bull I see sub $10k prices as another opportunity to dollar cost average and therefore get more satoshis for my fiat. I don't mind some longer term sub $10k consolidation at all.

People a while ago said they regret not having bought below $10k, and now we have visited sub $10k levels they are no longer interested. Only when we go back to $14k they will blame themselves again for not buying below $10k...
803  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Bull Break Above $11k And Falling Wedge on: August 14, 2019, 12:35:12 PM
Capped indeed, but I don't think they were really that many people who were seriously thinking we'd get a breakout, right? Draper, Lee et al excluded of course. And they're not realistic.
I think the market as a whole has been leaning towards a more bearish scenario, which can be seen by looking at the short versus long ratio. People expect the price to take another dive and I can't blame them.

Important to point out is that we have seen the market go against the sentiment more than once lately, so it wouldn't really surprise me if we see a bounce up from here looking at the shorts. We'll see what happens in the coming days.

After a pretty strong decline from the $14k mark we are still hovering above the $10k mark-- if you asked people in January of this year if they could see $10k be possible this year, they would have laughed in your face.
804  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Bearish short term but Bullish long term on: August 13, 2019, 10:38:20 PM
This current bears are just the ones mainly doing shorts which is really dragging us back, but I know that sooner or later, the bulls will fully take over the market and the bears will have very little chance of taking over the market again until bitcoin reaches another new ATH, now is when people should deem fit to just be gathering rather than selling.
You don't have to be a bear to short an asset. Most of the shorts are from unbiased traders just following what the charts present them. Today they can be short, but tomorrow they might shift to a long position.

The more rational traders don't focus on much other than the very short term, and the short term has been in favor of a more bearish outlook, while the mid to long term is still bullish overall.

I do however agree that accumulation is a smart choice. If you only allocate a small percentage of your investment account to each entry point, you should be able to buy the market down for a long time would it keep sinking.
805  Economy / Economics / Re: Supply and demand curve analysis, why Bitcoin does or does not change price. on: August 13, 2019, 06:29:41 PM
Hence, I think its quite important to know that bitcoin will start going up in about 1 year (maybe a bit longer like 16-18 months) because miners will have less and less money to sell.
Miners have never sold the major part of their earnings to begin with. If after the block halving the price tanks, they might end up unloading more coins because of how their operational cost is still the same.

If the price does go up, the number of coins they sell might be lower compared to how many coins they sell today, but the dollar value of their sales will keep going up and therefore eat through more available market liquidity.

The dollar amount miners need every month to stay operational only increases as we have learned from the previous years. Lower block inflation doesn't change that at all.

Overall, it all comes down to what cycle we're in. If we're going through a bear market where liquidity is leaving the market, the low rate of block inflation will not help you at all, the price will keep going down anyway.
806  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the Risk worth strengthening our economy ? on: August 13, 2019, 05:51:08 PM
This would allow them to leverage their profits against the dollar, normally dollar may gain value against that countries money and everything could get more expensive but if they are getting bitcoin then they could profit from bitcoin going up higher than dollar, so they would recover the difference. Its just very minimal risk and would definitely create a safe space.
Makes little sense. They can already do that with gold derivatives so what's the point of using something like Bitcoin? Bitcoin is too speculative and I don't even want my government to be that reckless.

Central banks have been buying gold like there is no tomorrow, especially when it comes to Russia, India and China. The rally in the gold price has done them well knowing that they own hundreds of billions of this metal.

Bitcoin hasn't really been battle tested yet. People here (me included) just assume it will go to the moon, but what if it doesn't? Bitcoin needs decades more of growth to show what it is made of.
807  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Coinbase UK drops Zcash on: August 13, 2019, 01:17:52 PM
It was a very questionable move from Coinbase's side to list that coin. It doesn't matter that you as exchange do not allow people to utilize its privacy feature, because you still provide liquidity to a coin that inherently goes against the terms of banks.

This is why I also hope that Bitcoin won't see any native privacy enhancement features implemented. This is the start of a new move that Japan has started, and now we see the UK adapt to it too, and more countries will follow soon.

The more exotic garbage you have listed, the more likely it is that your banking partner will eventually tell you to look for a different bank to partner with. Banks don't gain much from providing services to a crypto exchange so there is not much to lose.
808  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-08-04] Multiple Metrics Make The Bullish Case For Bitcoin on: August 13, 2019, 11:33:17 AM
So this is just a sort of mini-bull so everyone shouldn't get excited by this news. It's just simply supply and demand that really pushes the price as people are continuing to accumulate in preparation of the real bull-run in 2020.
I wouldn't call going from $3k to $14k a mini bull run. People are so used to 2017's bull run that they benchmark every single increase against that bull run and from there assume there is much more to gain from here.

There is no bull run standard as to how much % it has to go up. We might be heading towards another one year bear market now, it's definitely possible. It's not something I expect to happen, but I'm definitely not discarding that outcome.

People need to put their bias aside for a moment and put their rational investor cap on. There are just as many bearish scenarios to point at as there are bullish scenarios. Always be ready for the unexpected.
809  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-08-12] New Zealand Gives Greenlight for Cryptocurrency Income and Salary on: August 13, 2019, 10:40:38 AM
Wonder what the taxable amount will be though. NZ dollar value or asset value?
I would assume the asset value since it isn't a unit of account. It has a dynamic price that moves up and down against the actual fiat currencies it's paired to. It's essentially just an altcoin if you think about it.

Stablecoins have lost their purpose the moment exchanges started to pair them against other fiat currencies and even the actual underlying fiat currency, which is retarded.

It shouldn't be possible to pump or dump a stablecoin far above its underlying fiat currency value. The moment exchanges introduced pairs like USD/USDT the purpose of these stablecoins has lots its significance.
810  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price On Way To $250,000 By Q1 2023: Tim Draper on: August 12, 2019, 11:34:35 PM
Would everyone in the thread react in a similar way if the person who made the prediction was Tom Lee? This is not a joke. I am certain Tom Lee has a similar price target also.
Obviously, people would poke fun of Tom Lee and his multitude of wrong predictions. Tim Draper has an immense number of Bitcoin he acquired years ago by being the highest bidder at the FBI auctions.

Tom Lee has never said anything about him holding Bitcoin, so I assume that he isn't in on this market-- which I hope he isn't looking back at how he continuously fails to understand how this market works.

One would think that not owning coins would make you unbiased, but given the moon boy sentiment of the crypto space, he has a motive to be as bullish as possible with his predictions.
811  Economy / Speculation / Re: Valuing Bitcoin with Metcalfe's Law on: August 12, 2019, 10:59:04 PM
It may make me look like an asshole, but not a moron. Who the hell would it be news to that there is a correlation between usage and price? Why didn't this guy write 16 pages on explaining that there is a correlation between the sun being out and daytime?
It's actually a more nuanced way of explaining (breaking down) the importance of adoption/use. People always say that adoption relates to price appreciation, but fail to go further than that.

I can say the price has gone up to $14k because of an increase in demand, but what's that worth when you keep it at that? It would make sense to actually explain why the price has gone up, where the demand comes from, etc.

Coming back to the article, it's a long read but still somewhat hocus pocus to me. It can also be me as a simple being needing some catching up to do and widen my general field of interest.
812  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: [VIDEO] - Bitcoin Back To $12,000 ? - PRICE PREDICTION Today News on: August 12, 2019, 09:47:08 PM
I'm leaning more towards the contrarian view with how people continue to be bullish. I'm definitely not bearish, but seeing lower high after lower high makes me less comfortable.

Every lower high adds one more resistance level to break through. I get it that the general trend is still up, but we should be open to the other side of the story as well, which people here don't seem to like.

Positive for the bulls is that we had an extremely bullish weekly close yesterday. Now we have to wait and see what its impact is on the price and whether or not we can have a similarly bullish monthly close. Time will tell.
813  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Understand this - Bitcoin is not a commodity it is a working product on: August 12, 2019, 05:24:51 PM
And when the commercial money is busy putting up ads and billboards about Bitcoin being digital gold, when whales are storing private keys in 3rd party mountain vaults... Can you blame mainstream interpretation?
You're more referring to smart money. I definitely get it that it goes against the general idea that you should be the sole owner of your private keys, but when you're so wealthy in Bitcoin to dollar terms, it's different.

Smart money knows it isn't safe enough to hold all their Bitcoin themselves. They spread the risk by utilizing the storage service provided by an entity they trust, which in this case is Xapo.

Would you be comfortable with holding $100 million in Bitcoin yourself? Or would you be more comfortable knowing that you have a portion of it stored elsewhere? I probably would go for the latter to be honest.

I do agree about the drop gold commercial. It's quite controversial but then again, we can't complain about the media attention it generated for Bitcoin. It got a lot of gold bugs understandably really upset.
814  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What your family thinks about that you into crypto on: August 12, 2019, 03:15:30 PM
I'm actually quite happy that at least some of my family members are open minded and young enough to appreciate what Bitcoin is, but I'm still not sure if they are ready to distance themselves from the speculative nature of it.

Quite often after a sharp increase or decrease in the price they send me a DM through whatsapp asking why the price has gone up or down, and whether or not this is the time to long or short the market.

I'm uncomfortable providing them advice on the speculative nature of this market because when they lose, they'll blame me guaranteed. This is why I just tell them to hodl most of their coins and speculate only with a small portion.
815  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: All Hail King Bitcoin: Why BTC Remains #1 on: August 12, 2019, 02:48:50 PM
For the most part of 2017, BTC market cap dominance was dropping, and this is because altcoins were rising faster than bitcoin. Bitcoin reached its all-time high, and altcoins reached significantly higher highs, in some cases by hundreds of percent.  
What accelerated the fall of Bitcoin's dominance was that most altcoins had insane total coin supplies, while only a small portion of these altcoins were in circulation. Basic law of supply and demand then does the rest of the work.

I never liked the way market caps of coins are being calculated when it comes to tokens that have been printed out of thin air and of course the forks. It's impossible for Bitcoin not to lose market cap dominance.

This was always the trend until 2019, when now BTC is rising but altcoins, for the first time, are not keeping up. That's because in 2017, people placed too much confidence in the future of altcoins, in 2019 we are more skeptical, and wiser.
I don't think we'll see a mega altcoin season again similar to the one in 2017, but I doubt that people have become more skeptical and wiser. Once altcoins start increasing harder than Bitcoin we'll see people lose their mind again.
816  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-08-06] Venezuela Bitcoin Trading Hits New Highs Amid US Embargo on: August 12, 2019, 02:22:56 PM
However, I reckon the government of Venezuela and others might only be tolerating it because they do not have the laws and the means to enforce regulations. The moment they do figure it out, let us hope adoption gas spread deep and wide and it would be too late for them hehehe.
It doesn't require much effort from the side of the government to introduce such laws. There will always be a larger group of the inhabitants that will then not deal with Bitcoin because they're too afraid of the consequences.

The government can choose to softly enforce these laws by jailing a few people left and right every now and then to signal that they are actively chasing after those who break the law. Pretty effective measure if you think about it.

It's probably more related to them wanting to create a 'friendly' crypto environment for their own Petro to thrive one day. It's not something we read a lot about nowadays, but it can't just have magically vanished.
817  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-08-07] Bitcoin Will Be In ‘A Lot of Hedge Fund Portfolios’: Investment CEO on: August 12, 2019, 01:45:07 PM
That's true, but let's compare the gains in %% for both of them.

Gold Dec 31, 2018 - 1,281 USD/oz      -        Now - $1,498 USD/oz - 16.94%

BTC Dec 31, 2018 - $3,796 for 1 BTC     -    Now - $11,838 for 1 BTC - 211.85%

I think that in terms of investment gold is highly overvalued relative to Bitcoin nowadays.
We look at everything from a 'how much can I gain perspective', but that's not necessarily the case with investors using gold as a hedge. I think these comparisons are just used to stimulate the Bitcoin narrative.

I really thought that investors and people in general were sitting in gold for the gains, which some might, but the majority is happy when they can break even and therefore not lose as much as when they would have held fiat.

Gold has its own characteristics that make it unique, where Bitcoin is just something that has been here only a decade and hasn't actually booked much progress at all. It just grew in price.

What fundamental progress has there been? We've had SegWit that's being prevented from growing further in adoption by big blockers, and LN, which I like a lot, but isn't anywhere near being useable for the masses.
818  Economy / Economics / Re: thoughts on companies becoming too powerful? on: August 11, 2019, 11:48:09 PM
It's true that big and powerful companies are also often involved in politics and in some not so stable countries they might influence the government too but still governments shouldn't be allowed to interfere in their business.
I'm not sure if there is such a thing as that governments shouldn't be allowed to interfere with their business. Governments make the rules and they can break or bend them at any time if they so wish.

Shell in Nigeria is an example of how a large corporation abuses its power. The environmental impact of all the oil leaks is mind blowing. It's purely their money that stimulates the government there to not stop them.

I really wish the Nigerian government would step in and put a stop to it, but they need the money from Shell, and then we shouldn't forget the bribes that makes high ranked politicians look away.
819  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: What BTC Payment Processor to Implement in My Site ? on: August 11, 2019, 11:12:45 PM
There was recent news that bitpay are now going to be enforcing their new KYC and Anti-AML terms, and are calling this new service "BitPay ID", it's only here for larger transactions (3,000 USD+ purchases, or refunds of 1,000 USD+), but I definitely see a future where they keep dropping the limit until all customers are required for use "BitPay ID".
If they really end up pushing KYC through our throats for even the most silly few buck amounts, then they will lose a lot of business. I can't see them remain operational under these circumstances.

People are already at a point where they develop a strong dislike towards BitPay. Another nasty push and people will stop using it and that will probably lead to merchants dropping them as payment gateway.

I get it that it isn't just BitPay being affected by this new regulation, but they will suffer the most due to their anti Bitcoin stance. Those who actually spend their coins aren't stupid enough to share their personal information with BitPay.
820  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Ip banning, do you think it is pointless? on: August 11, 2019, 10:43:20 PM
It's interesting to see that BitMEX still hasn't banned the IPs of countries they don't provide services to. It wouldn't really be a problem if account creation was disabled, but even that they still allow these people to do.

Sure, you can't deposit and therefore not trade, but you shouldn't allow these people to sign up if they can't use your service. You definitely don't need an account for live market data with tradingview already working fine.

With the pressure from the CFTC one would expect BitMEX to bullet proof their platform and stop being so arrogant. Arthur Hayes is a bit too calm given the pressing circumstances. Very suspicious.
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