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821  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: why still so many blocks with 243kB? on: May 31, 2013, 03:01:15 PM
two possibilities.

a) a larger miner (think major pool) is scared of producing blocks larger than 250KB due to increased chance of orphans on larger blocks.
b) there aren't that many paying transactions.  miner have increasingly less reason to expand block sizes to include large swaths of free transactions.  Yet many users (likely being sold "Bitcoin is free" nonsense) insist on never including a tx fee.

On the second point let me share an antecdote.  Had a customer who absolutely needed a wire received that day and the bad news is it was already 3PM EST when he sent the transaction.  He paid us $20 wire fee (plus accepting a lower exchange rate).  Now we will lock in an exchange rate at 0-confirms but won't send funds until 3-confirms (6-confirms is just overkill for 99.9% of tx out there BTW).  I think you already know where this is going.  To save a quarter penny the client opted to not include a tx fee.  His order didn't confirm until after the wire deadline had passed, worse it was on a Friday. So he saved a quarter penny and got his cash three days later.

Would be interesting to do some stats which take a look at when a block is produced how much of the "excluded" memory pool was paying tx, average fee, how many unpaid low priority, how many unpaid high priority, etc.

25 BTCs is still a lot for 3 times more free transactions, no?
822  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-05-30 Perfect Money replacing Liberty Reserve on: May 31, 2013, 12:51:22 PM
TL;DR

Journalist: LOL, all former LR users flocked to perfect money, none of them uses Bitcoin.

Bitcoiner: Why?

Journalist: Because, because Bitcoin is not anonymous enough!

Bitcoiner: How do you know?

Journalist: I checked the blockchain and I couldn't see any illegal transactions!

Bitcoiner: Huh? LMAO.

Journalist: Wait, what?.....
823  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-05-30 Bloomberg.com: Why I invested in Bitcoin on: May 31, 2013, 09:03:36 AM
And you wonder how Zuckerberg came to be familiar with Bitcoin... Roll Eyes
824  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: How many of you did actually read Satoshi's paper? on: May 31, 2013, 08:38:23 AM
It is actually quite interesting on a number of levels.

Normally such a paper would be frowned upon, because most of the citations are at least 10 years out of date and as for going back to 1957 for reference material... very dodgy..... esp. as there has been a lot of work in probability theory since then.

It is as if the citations were 'thrown' in as an afterthought with an underlying lack of research.

Yeah, the 1957 one was supposedly the probability textbook he used, it's like saying:"I happened to have this book on my desk so that's what I used", he didn't make any attempt to put up any pretense to make it look better.
825  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: How many of you did actually read Satoshi's paper? on: May 31, 2013, 08:28:55 AM
Satoshi has got a unique writing style, on one hand he is very concise and to the point, my favorite:"The system is secure as long as honest nodes collectively control more CPU power than any cooperating group of attacker nodes." On the other hand he is not as rigorous as many academics when it comes to language, and he didn't easily throw around terminologies and jargons, like he can't be bothered with it. I am not sure if he invented this writing style as a camouflage and if not, how difficult it is to use pattern-matching to uncover his real identity(not that I want to).
826  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-05-30 Motley Fool: Bitcoins Are Just the Worst Idea Ever on: May 31, 2013, 07:03:07 AM
"The truth is, we know nothing of what goes on at Bitcoin headquarters."

Quick, someone invite Mr. Lewis to tour the Bitcoin headquarters so he can find what goes on!   Roll Eyes

I know exactly what's going on, how much can I get paid for posting that? Wink
827  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-05-30 Verge: Treasury Department Official Says No Anti-Bitcoin Campaign on: May 31, 2013, 01:10:30 AM
The rumor has now been officially denied.

We in China sometimes say:"A rumor is not confirmed until it is officially denied."
828  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-05-18 Economic Policy Journal: 3-Part Report from Bitcoin Conference on: May 30, 2013, 01:39:29 PM


The idea that you can build an alternative currency whilst ignoring these rules is absurd, the graveyard of previous attempts should be enough to persuade anyone of that. eGold got whacked just months before the Bitcoin white paper was released. If you do try and build an entirely underground currency, how would you convert fiat into it? Street traders? How would you know if the person sitting opposite you was not a government agent? There are no examples of such a thing ever working at scale and I don't anticipate seeing one anytime soon.


That something has never worked before is not the reason to not work on it. The criteria for the worthiness of a goal is not feasibility alone but the ratio of merits/feasibility. As for the fiat conversion problem you mentioned, the number of government informants is always small compared to the honest participants even if you are living under the reign of Stasi, so as long as transactions can be carried out from person to person without passing through a middleman, the information that can be gathered by the authorities is limited, banks cannot monitor every account everyday.

I am not saying something like that should go mainstream, but for those who need it utter-mostly, there should be an option.

829  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Zerocoin: Anonymous Distributed E-Cash from Bitcoin on: May 30, 2013, 01:29:49 PM
I have a feeling that anything on this front that will work in the end will:1. require no change to the code of the Bitcoin client;2. interoperate seamlessly with the current infrastructure;3.have adjustable level of paranoia/usability ;4. backed by competent and transparent developers.
830  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer: Inaba on: May 30, 2013, 12:44:22 PM
I think the bottom line is: you can argue that as long as BFL has not defaulted yet, mods should not be in a place to make predictions, as they should only handout scammer tags based on facts of scamming. Otoh, if there is sufficient evidence that BFL hasn't reached their power traget, the bet between Inaba and Micon should be upheld, and Inaba should get a scammer tag if he refuses to pay up the 1000 BTCs.

Geez, as long as he doesn't flat out refuse to pay, he can take all the time in the world, right? Never mind the fact that he didn't put up the cash in escrow as specified and that it's been two months, it not like he (or the people he works with) have a track record for being hilariously late with stuff and or simply not delivering.



Oh, if their clients keep putting up with them, clinging to their preorders like it's the last straw grown on the bank of the river, why should the mods care? Suckers gonna find a way to screw themselves up anyway. Heck, if Theymos does give BFL the scammer tag, he may even find himself in waist-deep shit, as thousands of BFL "believers"/EMC customers going crazy with him as if he is the one responsible for their losses, I can foresee that.

Once more for those who are having a seperate conversation; I'm not talking about the delays of BFL vaporware, simply using them as an example of hilarity in track record.

I couldn't give two shits about BFL getting tagged, that's about the greed and naïveté of their client base. I'm talking about Josh, the person incarnated by the forum name Inaba and his six figure boast-bet. Yes I find the split "one account to kinda stay profesionnal but not really and one account to flat out insult clients" method stupid, but it was allowed so that's that.

Stop trying to tag BFL in this thread.

I agree fully that given the precedence of MNW, Inaba should be fully taggable for his bet with Micon if the outcome is clear.
831  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer: Inaba on: May 30, 2013, 10:19:22 AM
I think the bottom line is: you can argue that as long as BFL has not defaulted yet, mods should not be in a place to make predictions, as they should only handout scammer tags based on facts of scamming. Otoh, if there is sufficient evidence that BFL hasn't reached their power traget, the bet between Inaba and Micon should be upheld, and Inaba should get a scammer tag if he refuses to pay up the 1000 BTCs.

Geez, as long as he doesn't flat out refuse to pay, he can take all the time in the world, right? Never mind the fact that he didn't put up the cash in escrow as specified and that it's been two months, it not like he (or the people he works with) have a track record for being hilariously late with stuff and or simply not delivering.



Oh, if their clients keep putting up with them, clinging to their preorders like it's the last straw grown on the bank of the river, why should the mods care? Suckers gonna find a way to screw themselves up anyway. Heck, if Theymos does give BFL the scammer tag, he may even find himself in waist-deep shit, as thousands of BFL "believers"/EMC customers going crazy with him as if he is the one responsible for their losses, I can foresee that.
832  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple or Bitcoin on: May 30, 2013, 10:10:28 AM
How many XRP does OpenCoin still hold? 60%? 95%? 99%? Who knows!

OpenCoin is anything but open, they are completely intransparent about their "monetary policy". I don't know if willfully or out of incompetence, because I'm certain it will end up hurting Ripple.

I don't think it will ever be possible for Opencoin to prove how many coins they actually gave away. Even if they released a list of all the addresses to which they sent XRP, these addresses could just belong to Opencoin themselves. In order to prove a distribution that would be considered fair by the majority of users, they would have to reveal the identity behind those adresses, which is not going to happen in such a semi-anonymous system. The intransparency is unavoidable, I guess.
I actually didn't realize that. Great point.

What if FEDs start telling you"since I can never prove I am not giving preference in the distribution of dollars, I am not going to publish any data any more?"

And the fact that XRP has to remain such a secretive currency is more evidence that it is "defective by design".
833  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer: Inaba on: May 30, 2013, 06:43:49 AM
I think the bottom line is: you can argue that as long as BFL has not defaulted yet, mods should not be in a place to make predictions, as they should only handout scammer tags based on facts of scamming. Otoh, if there is sufficient evidence that BFL hasn't reached their power traget, the bet between Inaba and Micon should be upheld, and Inaba should get a scammer tag if he refuses to pay up the 1000 BTCs.
834  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the highest difficulty, hash rate, SHA256 can support and still work? on: May 30, 2013, 03:31:55 AM
It's possible that SHA256 could become compromised. Bitcoin can be changed to another algorithm if necessary. There's been some threads in the past about it.
I'm kind of curious what kind of hash rate would it be useless though as the difficulty couldn't get higher?

https://i.imgur.com/vCkuFAY.jpeg

You would never need to worry about that even if you had the whole universe's energy at your disposal.
835  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: SSL logs as proof of money transfer for p2p exchanges on: May 29, 2013, 11:36:23 AM
Another problem is the Sybil attack, if the escrower is an informant, he can gather a lot of buyers' information this way.
Really good point. Thanks.

First I would say that buyer information will only be exposed at the level of account number, bank and possibly name (all this info is already semi-public as we've discussed). This will only arise in the case of dispute. And for a lot of people (I can't say most, I just don't know), even in that rare dispute case, they will not even have to display their account balance, let alone other sensitive info.

(Other comments are for P2P exchange generally, I am thinking here more of my own plan as in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=210903.msg2210078#msg2210078):
But the general point of the Sybil attack applies to the role of escrow here. It's another good reason not to overemphasize reputation. Identities will be cheap to acquire here because they will be linked to bitcoin addresses. I wouldn't want to somehow make them artificially expensive. Users will have to enter bank account numbers too (encrypted I guess by default), but they don't necessarily have to use them so that doesn't help.

Off the cuff thought: we could retain the ability to create cheap addresses, and thus use the network to buy bitcoins for the first time, but limit escrow agency to members with non-zero bitcoin addresses (balance above X). This would prevent swamping the network. Then the escrow agent for any transaction would be chosen randomly from those slightly-higher-status users. And also, we could keep the option of a "second opinion" if an arbitration goes against you (but that's really off the top of my head, so if you don't like it, ignore it).

Something else that can be done is to require anyone who wants to be an escrower putting a specific amount of bitcoins in custody within an address that's multisigned by a number of randomly chosen escrowers(which rational people would be inclined to do for escrowing fees income), so as long as the majority of the escrowers are not informants, each government action against a bitcoin buyer will cost them a fortune. This should be combined with some rating system to use.

False reporting of government crackdown from buyers/sellers can also be suppressed by requirng them to work with randomly chosen escrowers.
836  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer: Inaba on: May 29, 2013, 10:51:42 AM
I am generally not tagging scammers anymore. Use the trust system.
Do you know if Inaba sponsored this development?

Have you not seen the huge amount of scams lately? Especially alt coin related, there's far too many to keep going with the scammer tag system. It would be a full time 24\7 job to take care of them all. It's squarely in the hands of the users now, as it should be.

I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet."

For a scammer tag, the accused person needs to have promised to do something and then failed to deliver on the promise.


Hm, this one is about 1000 BTC and done on this very forum. And strangely enough it was very much ignored by every forum staff until theymos could say "use the trust system". One don't need a tinfoil hat to smell what is going on.
Regarding alt coins, a lot of the scams there are done with very new accounts while the trust system works only for mature accounts.
Don't get me wrong the trust system is a good thing, but everyone can easily see the double standard that is used for Inaba.


Showing newbies that the account they're trading with has no trust or rep is 'working' don't you think?

And BFL is hardly the only one to not get a scammer tag, going by your standards coinabul and bitinstant should probably have one as well. Not speaking for theymos, but the acammer tag isn't appropriate for businesses in general, shouldn't be judged by one action. Newegg and amazon would probably have scammer tags if everything was as black and white as it seems to be in your world.

The trust system has a drawback: if someone only ever scam a single person, he should be considered a scammer already, yet he could still receive high trust score, probably because he is nice to everyone else. So I believe Theymos should still hand out scammer tags.
837  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: SSL logs as proof of money transfer for p2p exchanges on: May 29, 2013, 10:24:27 AM
Hmmm, maybe we can form a Tor-like network with multiple non-colluding escrowers participated, each of them only keeps some of the packages transmitted, so none of them can recover your password and identity information, yet when required, can put all pieces together to verify if the proof of transfer from the buyer is real?
Tor had crossed my mind too, but I rejected it as (a) users will be put off by it and (b) it will make the networking side even more difficult to figure out. Certainly, the anonymity is important, and we should use as much encryption as possible, but there will still be occasions (not often) when someone else on the network sees your bank account number.

As for splitting the banking session records amongst many users, it seems very complicated.
First, to emphasise, we don't need to expose login details at all. (e.g. in the last version of the design I posted a few posts back).
But more importantly, I actually think we do need human intervention for the escrow action, in order to correctly parse the banking session record. So that would need one person to make the decision. The trick is that the USD seller would only show those pages he wanted to show.

My thought was always that the escrow would be chosen randomly from a large network thus making collusion between escrow and bitcoin seller either impractical or impossible.

Another problem is the Sybil attack, if the escrower is an informant, he can gather a lot of buyers' information this way.
838  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: SSL logs as proof of money transfer for p2p exchanges on: May 29, 2013, 09:05:26 AM
Hmmm, maybe we can form a Tor-like network with multiple non-colluding escrowers participated, each of them only keeps some of the packages transmitted, so none of them can recover your password and identity information, yet when required, can put all pieces together to verify if the proof of transfer from the buyer is real?
839  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin Devs vs. US Government on: May 29, 2013, 05:35:25 AM
Bitcoin is not worth supporting if we have to count on someone making wise decisions for it to survive, be it a developer, philanthropist, entrepreneur, etc.
840  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working? on: May 29, 2013, 04:49:15 AM
Bear in mind that once upon a time, the communist leadership in China believed that they could teach rice farmers to refine iron and make alloy steel in grass fired clay kilns across the countryside; and that was how they were going to be able to keep those evil capitalist American navies out of their business.
Really?

I mean, I know bureaucrats are out of touch with reality, but this strains credulity.

It's not the bureaucrats' feat, but that of the revolutionaries. Bureaucrats wanted to maintain the status quo, revolutionaries wanted to change(read: impose their ideals of Utopia upon common folks) something, thus the tragedy.

One generation's revolutionary is the next generation's bureaucrat.  That was a great part of the problem; Mao lived in an information bubble of his own making.  He didn't trust the "intellectuals" but those whom he did trust were no more worthy of such faith, and tended to be less informed upon the subjects for which they were expected to advise than the intellectuals who proceeded them.  Like anyone else, they were just trying to maintain the little fiefdoms that they had built up during the revolutionary period, even if that required deceiving the monarch in order to maintain political favor.

Yup exactly(in fact it's even worse, with the intellectuals evicted, the honest peasants refused to fill in the positions left by them, as they knew they are not qualified for such work, those who in the end occupying those positions were then, literally, thugs), so if it ends up being the same, better no revolution which causes far more deaths then you can possibly imagine during the peaceful times.

Aside from that, the Great Leap Forward had much to do with Mao's revolutionary ideal(yeah, he was a peasant, he should have known, right?)
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