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821  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BitcoinWisdom.com - Live Bitcoin/LiteCoin Charts on: November 13, 2014, 11:42:02 PM
@bitcoinwisdom

Requesting that OkCoin Futures market be added. HUGE volume, seems like it will be necessary to watch it closely from now on, and I'd love to do it on btcwisdom as well Cheesy
822  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wouldn't it be nice... (the LazyWhale algorithm) on: November 13, 2014, 06:52:18 PM
Just like the usual interpretation of a failure to break daily MA20 is hugely bullish ("if the market is weak, it's actually strong")
Can you explain that please?

Sarcasm?
823  Economy / Speculation / Re: [POLL] A little question How much btc do you have ? on: November 13, 2014, 05:37:07 PM
I have 5.

There is no option for me  Cry

Haha no way. How many zeros are you leaving out? Tongue
824  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wouldn't it be nice... (the LazyWhale algorithm) on: November 13, 2014, 05:08:14 PM
Yes, sorry, overreacted a bit. See last comment.

OK, we're cool. I have a suggestion for you, if you are willing to back test your indicator on some 2013 MtGox data (Bistamp looks "washed out").
If your indicator can use a shorter time frame (about 4x shorter), then it might flip from red to green about the 17th May and the 17th June 2013.



No, I'm afraid that won't work. Ryn asked a similar question in the beginning: while I have vague idea how to make it scale down, the actual implementation still escapes me, so I can't test it on smaller scales yet (or rather, the results suck)
825  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wouldn't it be nice... (the LazyWhale algorithm) on: November 13, 2014, 03:10:47 PM
Yes, sorry, overreacted a bit. See last comment.
826  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wouldn't it be nice... (the LazyWhale algorithm) on: November 13, 2014, 03:04:44 PM
For fairness sake, I get now what tzupy meant :
Under the assumption of his preferred EW count(s), my signal is mid long bearish because it means a more drastic bottom will form eventually, correct?

My point is then, without subscribing to any additional assumptions, a momentum based signal like mine, or weekly sar, is bullish. But I can see your point, even when I don't share it.
827  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2014, 02:06:41 PM
one day, when you're ready, you will see the (technical) light, and identify the two main drivers of markets (outside fundamentals): momentum, and mean reversion Cheesy

Seriously, here is one of the reasons why I can't take most TA seriously:

An n-day moving average (MAn) is the average of n consecutive prices.  Charting the moving average instead of the price reduces the random day-to-day noise while preserving the longer-term variations.

An exponential moving average (EMA) is  similar, but gives more weight to the recent behavior -- and is easier to compute if you are using pencil and paper or a slide rule. 8-)

The difference between two MAs with different periods -- say, 7 and 21 days -- is basically a smoothed version of the second derivative of the price.  If MA7 is higher than MA21, the trend of the price is bearish, curving downwards: it is braking while going up, then accelerating down.  Conversely, if  MA7 is lower than MA21, it means that the trend is bullish, curving upwards: braking while going down, then accelerating up.   When the two graphs cross, then, the trend is changing from one mood to the other.

Good so far. However, the average of the last 21 prices tells what the price was 10 days ago, not today.   But analysts always plot the MA21 value at the final date of the 21-day interval, not at the central date.  So, the traditional MA21 plot is displaced 10 days to the right relative to its logically correct position (and you can see that clearly when it is plotted over the daily price chart).  Similarly, the  MA7  chart is shifted 3 days to the right.  Therefore, the two plots cross at the wrong dates; if they were drawn at the correct dates, crossings might appear or disappear.

TA folks even understand this problem, but they have been plotting their MAs and EMAs that way since the lower Paleolithic, and cannot be convinced to change their habits.  There may also be a psychological factor: plotting the MAn values at the correct dates makes it obvious that the analysis is based on information that is 10 days old; whereas plotting it the traditional way gives the impression that the analysis is hot from the ticker's mouth.

There is also the problem that the crossings depend on the arbitrary choice of the MA periods.   It is like computing the ROI of bitcoin investment: one gets completely different results depending on the time scale considered.

Finally,  this MA-crossing analysis depends on the hypothesis that there is an underlying price trend that can be revealed by smoothing the price.  That may be true in ordinary stocks, where the price is partly determined by fundamentals that change slowly with time (such as the overall economy and product sales).  It is rather questionable with bitcoin, since its "fudamentals" are isolated unpredictable events (like PBoC decrees and rumors).  We see that in the charts, where rallies and crashes often start suddenly, out of nowhere.

Nice. Hold that thought, I'll answer properly when I'm back on a real computer.
828  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wouldn't it be nice... (the LazyWhale algorithm) on: November 13, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
Maybe most people don't understand, but oda.krell's indicator turning green now is actually bearish medium term.
It means that the market hasn't yet left wave C, and THE bottom wasn't 275$, but is still to come.
I didn't yet work on new guesstimates, but IMO it seems wave C will only end in February 2015 below 200$.

Why yes, listen to this man, he's absolutely right of course:

Just like the usual interpretation of a failure to break daily MA20 is hugely bullish ("if the market is weak, it's actually strong"), or how a green MACD histogram candle is seen as a strong sell signal by experienced traders.

In other news, some people don't know when to close their overleveraged short position.

 Roll Eyes

EDIT: In case it's not that clear, the above is me being sarcastic. I don't agree with the poster that the lw buy signal is actually 'bearish', and I was making up wrong interpretations of signals as a way to make fun of his.
After thinking about it  a bit more, while I still don't agree at least I can see where he's coming from (basically, he thinks if we go up already now, we'll have to come down harder a bit later)



Glad to see the move up that triggered the signal change didn't fizzle out immediately, as I feared it would at first.

Thanks also for the kind words by some in here. However, it's only fair to remind everyone: the actual (first) test of the signal's profitability is when the corresponding 'sell' comes in.

I personally hope it's going to be at a substantially higher price level, but in either case, I'll report it when it comes in. For now, probably best not to fight the market too stubbornly, i.e. go short if you want, but I wouldn't get married to any short position currently. At least mid-term, the trend is more likely to be up than down in my opinion, and the most obvious interpretation of the LW momentum signal is just that, really.
829  Economy / Speculation / Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side! on: November 13, 2014, 12:59:35 PM
Jup. One of the many long-term momentum signals that just flipped. Some fired a bit earlier (*wink*), some a bit later into the rise, but they flipped. Always a chance it's a false breakout of course, but based on how they performed in the past, the interpretation is that the mid-term bottom is in at 275.

You think we'll go below 400 ever again?

Below 400 as in something like 390, maybe 380: possible. A really painful drop, say, low 300s: I have no idea (no tradeable idea, at least). Ask the EW guys, they like to answer stuff like that Cheesy

In very vague terms, I can see the following scenarios: we are leaving the "local" (i.e. July/August to now) bear market, without revisiting where we started (sub-400), or we can leave it, but see one more serious dip (possibly all the way to 300). Or, of course, we could also fail to leave it and make a new low before getting to, say, 500 even - but that possibility I consider rather unlikely as of today. Plus, the first two scenarios above each combine with the outcome of the "global" bear market (since December 2013): either the long-term trend is indeed up from now on (until it reaches a new ATH), or the rally goes on for a while, but turns sour before a new ATH (e.g. the June/July picture).
830  Economy / Speculation / Re: Weekly Parabolic SAR just flipped the side! on: November 13, 2014, 12:30:59 PM
Jup. One of the many long-term momentum signals that just flipped. Some fired a bit earlier (*wink*), some a bit later into the rise, but they flipped. Always a chance it's a false breakout of course, but based on how they performed in the past, the interpretation is that the mid-term bottom is in at 275.
831  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2014, 12:22:31 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MACD

(Ahem, I cannot resist pointing out that I helped edit that article, a few months ago. Smiley)

Glad to see you're finally warming up to technical analysis Tongue

Well, I also created this article and a few others on spirituality, quack remedies, etc.  Grin

Looking for" reasons " yet for this one? Cheesy

Of course.

My best guess at the moment is the "three billion hedge fund started trading on our platform" rumor.  It is consistent with OKCoin being the leader, leaving even Huobi behind.  

But it may be TA, indeed: namely people expecting "the next bubble" because of the 5-year WorldCom extrapolation plot and/or analogies with 2011 or 2013.  I.e. a case of self-fulfilling prophecy.

+1 for being a WP editor.

And one day, when you're ready, you will see the (technical) light, and identify the two main drivers of markets (outside fundamentals): momentum, and mean reversion Cheesy
832  Economy / Speculation / Re: Sell off is imminent? on: November 13, 2014, 10:03:48 AM
It really just depends on your strategy and the way you trade.

There's way more volume on OKCoin futures (not feeless, volume is relevant and real) than Bitfinex. Since the only exchange which really had an affect on the market price today was OKCoin, we can analyze this based upon what was going on there. Interestingly, OKCoin itself reached $485 or so, but futures never really surpassed $475 for anything more than a few buys, despite leading the way most of the day.

Anyone who isn't taking a long-term approach and still kept leveraged shorts (unleveraged shorts or barely leveraged shorts, à la Bitfinex don't really count)  in the entire day has brass balls and a brass brain. Right now we're at an interesting spot because the long positions have slowed down and are now trailing the market price. (Potentially indicating the big boys are done buying for a little while - one can assume that a whale will take long futures positions prior to going on a buying spree like this, to minimize slippage or even potentially profit from the price increase throughout the day.) Regardless, I still think it's a bit spazzy and stubborn to short today, even now - we had the same slowdown we're experiencing right now several hours ago at around $430, before continuing the rally.-

Excellent post.

One question: Didn't really get into the okc futures situation yet. Those are integrated into their regular market/order book, or do they run in parallel? Also, those are the ones with 20x leverage, correct?

One remark: Not really so much disagreeing with what you say, since you write about yesterday's price action only, and there's little doubt to me that was (mainly) driven by China, but, because it's a favorite subject of mine I'll add one thing: by raw volume alone, Stamp/Finex shouldn't matter anymore at all. In reality however, the move up from 275 can be divided in three parts so far, in my view: 275 as bottom got a "preliminary" confirmation by the "bearwhale" action on Bitstamp. The first major retracement was stopped in its tracks on finex (with the major buys on Oct 30). And now, Okc is kicking it into overdrive. Like I said, probably not even something we disagree on, judging by your above comment, just wanted to paint the whole picture of the recovery so far, as I see it.
833  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2014, 07:23:07 AM
maybe I sound pretty stupid, but can anyone explain me quick  what

that indicator tells me "MACD"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MACD

(Ahem, I cannot resist pointing out that I helped edit that article, a few months ago. Smiley)

Glad to see you're finally warming up to technical analysis Tongue

Looking for" reasons " yet for this one? Cheesy
834  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2014, 10:55:59 PM
Never mind me, just one last observation, about volume support, for today.... If you know what it (likely) entails, good. If not, okay as well Smiley








G'night everyone. Been an interesting day.
835  Economy / Speculation / Re: [prediction] Next spike $560,000 14 months from now on: November 12, 2014, 10:30:39 PM
fap fap fap~

sigh

*unzips*

fap fap fap
836  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: November 12, 2014, 10:09:52 PM
Sorry, master, I know it's your thread, and that's the place to worship you and no false gods besides you, but just once, I'm going to quote myself Cheesy


So in your view, this:





is not a likely continuation, in a similar way to how May played out:

[...]


837  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: November 12, 2014, 06:11:17 PM
Let nobody say Bitcoin is a boring market.

When it goes bull, it goes full retard bull.

(I expect the inevitable landing on earth to be epic as well :D)


We probably all know that this daily candle can't survive... but it feels so good for a brief while!

838  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: November 12, 2014, 03:45:55 PM
Exchanges could conspire some dark biz & trade volume might be faked. But the onchain data shows daily transaction amount is approaching all time high which means there are real demands for btc
Approaching to 100k transactions per day. While Gavin said 1M blocksize limit is a hard limit of approx 7 trx per second or 600k per day. Bitcoin is full 1/6 of its capacity.

Good thing he's not a controlled hard fork hater then Cheesy
839  Economy / Speculation / Re: It's happening! --- 3̶6̶0̶$̶ 392$ on: November 12, 2014, 11:57:12 AM
If it tops out at 400, falls back to 350/360, finds support there, and *then* gets the momentum to break 417 I'd be happy. I'm a modest bull these days :/
840  Economy / Speculation / Re: Analysis never ends on: November 12, 2014, 11:45:52 AM
and fake volumes.

Maybe. But that's like saying 'willy drove price to ~1200'. Might be true, but price still got there (briefly Tongue).
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