Kratko i jasno - da li plaćate porez na bitkoin kad ga mijenjate u kune?
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Mislim da ovdje treba malo pojašnjenje. Porez ne možeš platiti na bitcoine. Porez možeš platiti samo na iznos u kunama koje si dobio prodajom bitcoina, jer bitcoin sam ne znači ništa poreznoj. Isto tako, uvjerit ćete se da je kompliciran proces prijaviti porez na internetsku zaradu poreznoj, ali više o tome imate u drugom topicu  Da, plaćam porez na internetsku zaradu, ne na bitcoine. |
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Danijel, mogu samo pitati na kraju suma sumarum koliko su svi ti porezi u postocima, tj na kraju za koliko te ogule?
To ovisi o puno stvari, da li prijavljuješ prvi ili drugi dohodak, gdje živiš jer se prirezi razlikuju od grada do grada, zatim o osobnom odbitku, da li imaš uzdržavane članove obitelji, da li živiš u mjestu posebne državne skrbi... Moj osobni izračun poreza, prireza i doprinosa, sa uputama kako ispuniti JOOPD obrazac, već imaš u ovo topicu pa to sada neću ponavljati. Mene isto ovo zanima, kad poplaćaš sve te poreze, prireze, doprinose zdravstveno mirovinsko harač porez na zrak, kolika je vrijednost tog bitkoina na kraju? Kad prijaviš to sve poreznoj koliko dobiješ od prodaje 1BTC koji košta 2800$? 40%? 50%? Jel dobiješ bar pola van? Daj šibni neku cifru!
Ma nije mi sad jasno, evo, u zg primaju u jednom dućanu sa elektroničkom robom bitcoine, ako kupim TV sa bitkoinima, hoću li platiti porez? To jest zašto bih platio porez na TV kad se na TV ne plaća porez, a s obzirom da bitkoin nije priznata valuta kako dućan može prodavati telke i primati bitkoine? Oće li oni platiti porez na bitkoin što su dobili od mene? U biti kako će platiti porez kad nema poreza na BTC? Hoće li mi porezna doći doma na vrata i tražiti porijeklo novca koji ne priznaju od kojeg sam kupio TV u dućanu koji prodaje robu legalno sa valutom koja ne postoji? 
Napravio sam nekakvu anketu o plaćanju poreza pa koga zanima - ni 2 sekunde posla - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1960802.0 U ovom topicu, već si imao jedan konkretan primjer da naša hrvatska firma, koja se bavi kupovinom i prodajom bitcoina, da je na to oslobođena plaćanja PDV-a (na osnovi članka u zakonu o pDV-u da se on ne plaća na trgovinu s novčanicama koje nemaju uporabnu, zakonsku vrijednost). Naravno, to ne znači da su oslobođeni drugih davanja, poreza na dobit i drugih doprinosa... U mojem konkretnom slućaju, kada platim predporez, prirez gradu Zagrebu, i sve doprinose, na to ode otprilike oko 1/3 ukupnog iznosa kojeg sam dobio kada btc pretvorim u kune i povučem na bankovni račun, te prijavim poreznoj putem joopd obrasca u zakonskom roku od 8 dana. Još jednom, na bitcoine ne možeš prijaviti ni plaćati poreze, samo na valutu koja je zakonski priznata. Ovo je samo moj primjer, ali ako recimo živiš u gradu sa puno manjim prirezom nego što je u Zagrebu, ostat e ti više novca nego meni Na sve to, početkom naredne godine ide i povrat poreza na pretplaćeni iznos poreza i u mojem slućaju to još bude obično oko 1/7 ukupnog iznosa plaćenog poreza. Eto, nadam se da ovi konkretni primjeri iz života, pomažu |
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It is because religion has been a part of our lives since we are born in this world. This has been the tradition we have inherited from the past generations that is still continuosly spreading worldwide and many people say that religion unites the people with the same beliefs and way of worshiping in the God they are believing. But the sad truth is many religious people are over powering or discriminating the beliefs of other religions and they keep on pushing that what they believe must be based on what those mindful people know about the bible.
It's true that religion is part of our tradition and history, but it's even much more. Many religious movements was inspired by God or revelations. Many religious people was inspired by God or revelations to do great things for humankind. Religion should help connect people with their creator, God and give them guidance in life of faith. Unfortunately, it seems that today many religions lost this goal and purpose and became regular social groups, no so much spiritual any more. It's very sad to see something liker this. People believe in religion because they believe in God. |
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In their history fight for religion was very important.
Also, it's fact that many Muslims feel resentment toward West because of situation in Syria, Iraq and other countries, created by influence from America.
A lot Muslims are refuges or suffer because of continuous conflicts and wars.
Such people is very easy to manipulate, using simple but destructive propaganda about bad sand evil Christians in the West.
Islam as religion is misused here.
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I believe that - for now - it's better for bitcoin to remain unregulated and let it grow on its own. It's just not the right moment.
Regulation will be possible one day, but I'm sure most of us here would prefer it to keep its current status of decentralized and anonymous currency.
If bitcoin will ever become regulated, I'm sure that many people will leave bitcoin and find something else, still out of reach from government control. Bitcoin is very popular now simple because it's not regulated and because of anonymity. If we change it, bitcoin will not be the same any more. In my opinion, we don't need to regulate bitcoin but fight for global acceptance as alternative way of payments and alternative currency. |
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It depends really, what will be the bitcoin value later.
It's really difficult to predict bitcoin value even in one day, and much more difficult for 10 or 20 years.
With current BTC price, 30 BTC will be enough to make me reach.
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In the book of genesis their is described a serpent that is able to speak. This is an accurate depiction of Americans,especially concerning the government. Note that the term 'Serpent' is used, not serpent-brained human or evil human. I believe this is done specifically to highlight that these serpent or reptile brained creatures that walk among us have very little humanity in them, if any. They can mimic our behavior, they look like us, but they are not the same. They feed off of human suffering, they enjoy the pain and torment of others, they seem to get an effective 'high' off of it. These Serpents seem to make up the majority of the populance at this time, and certainly the government. Can be seen as something similar to what appears in psychology manuscript as the psychopath or sociopath.
At that time America didn't exist, countries or governments didn't exist... only Adam, Eve and angels. It's obvious that serpent is metaphor for fallen angel Lucifer, and you can even find one verse in the Bible Where the Lucifer is called fallen angel and serpent. It's obvious that we don't talk about real serpent here. |
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In the wake of the upcoming British election most people from the Commonwealth countries and non EU nations thinks the results of the British Election will impact the Brexit process. What will happen if the Tories win the majority or a Conservatives win
Brexit is irreversible process, all political parties made it very clear. It's just question now if UK can make good deal with EU before they leave. Common interest is that uK stay in common economic market. Other very important issue is terrorist attacks and national security. It's difficult to say now who will win and if we can expect any concrete political changes soon. |
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znaci u teoriji, ja bi mogao platiti vlasniku auta (rodaku) u btc, on primi btc i mi napravi darovni ugovor? drzava ce istraziti porjeklo imovine i ja cu im pokazati da je samo utrosena el. energija kako bi dosao do btc-a koji oni ne smatraju sredstvom placanja te posjedovanje istog nije bilo oporezivo, a to sto bivsi vlasnik smatra da ta "bezvezna" valuta za njega ima neku vrijednost i sto ce on kasnije sa btc nije vise moj problem, no kako u cijelom procesu nije nigdje bilo kune niti neke druge fiat valute jedini porez sto je ostao je 5% za prijepis
Vidim da ti je I.Grozni vrlo detaljno i jasno objasnio proces darivanja, pa se neću na tome zadržavati. Druga bitna stvar za razumjeti ovdje je da bitcoin u RH nije zakonsko sredstvo plaćanja. To znači da ti ne možeš poreznoj reći da si ostvario neku zaradu od bitcoina, jer ti to neće priznati kao zakonski prihod. Nikakve tu ''priče'' sa strujom i rudarenjem ne pomažu Jedino kada pretvoriš te bitcoine u kune i povućeš na svoj bankovni račun u RH, ti možeš poreznoj prijaviti da si ostvario zaradu od INterneta u inozemstvu, i platiti na to porez, prirez i ostale doprinose. Tada tek ta zarada za poreznike u RH postaje ''zakonita i legalna''. Pitat će te, kao i mene, o kakvoj se konkretnoj zaradi radi, i ti im onda možeš pokušati objasniti tu priču o struji i bitcoinima, na što će te oni samo ''bijelo'' pogledati te naći neko ''kreativno'' rješenje za ispunjavanje JOOPD obrasca na način da tvoju zaradu prikažu kao zaradu od umjetničkog rada u inozemstvu, ili nešto slično. Ovo ne izmišljam, tako je moj porezni referent ''kreativno'' rešio problem kako u poreznoj prijavi prikazati izvor moje internetske zarade. Na kraju se sve svelo na to da je bitno da porezna prijava tj. jOOPD obrasci nekako prođu i budu prihvaćeni u poreznom sustavu, te da sam na vrijeme platio predujam poreza, prirez i doprinose, a da je ostalo za državu manje bitno. Danijel, mogu samo pitati na kraju suma sumarum koliko su svi ti porezi u postocima, tj na kraju za koliko te ogule? To ovisi o puno stvari, da li prijavljuješ prvi ili drugi dohodak, gdje živiš jer se prirezi razlikuju od grada do grada, zatim o osobnom odbitku, da li imaš uzdržavane članove obitelji, da li živiš u mjestu posebne državne skrbi... Moj osobni izračun poreza, prireza i doprinosa, sa uputama kako ispuniti JOOPD obrazac, već imaš u ovo topicu pa to sada neću ponavljati. |
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As Trump said many times:''These are false news'' Don't underestimate Putin. He is very influential in Balkan region (Serbia, Macedonia, Hungary), also former USSR republics in Asia, Syria, Latin America etc. It's obvious that Trump likes Putin, his dictatorship style and authoritarianism. He probably wants to be like him but can't |
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No doubt they do.  A easy way to hide where the funds come from and anyone can access the funds. Other than using a bank account and being traced. What do you think?  I think so. After all, we already know that criminals and drug dealers using bitcoin very long time. ISIS proved already many times that Internet and social medias is their main promotion tool and weapon. So, no doubt that they know about bitcoin and already using it. Bitcoin is anonymous and decentralized, no government control. So, it's perfect tool for them. |
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If you asked the same question a year or two ago, I will not believe that bitcoin can be used for retirement. Now, when btc price jumped so high, it looks like very possible scenario. Now, I'm really sorry that I didn't believe more in btc. I spend to much btc on HYIP and failed online businesses. I could use this funds much better. Any way, I'm now 100 % in collecting mode Don't plan to spend anything. |
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belief is the choice for people, we have our own choice, Catholic, Christian, Islam, hindusm ect,
the important thing whatever the religion, to kind, helpful not judging each other are need.
If you don't believe in God, you can think that religion is our choice. If God exist, than religion is not choice but only way of life. God is origin of life, love and absolute mortal values. We can't find purpose of life without our creator, God. If God don't exist, than man have no purpose, no direction in life, no absolute moral values to follow. God don't judge people, he have only love for them. We, people, judge each others and don't love others. So, problem is on the earth, not in the heaven. |
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Religions made a lot of damage to human beings and our world in general. I'm not talking only about Islam, but every kind of religion, more or less, caused lots of problems.
I'm sure they will end. They won't last forever. But how will they end?
Which could the scenario that leads to their disappearance?
First, people made a lot of damage, not religion. Second, a lot people, inspired by faith, did many great things for humanity like serving the poor, ill, homeless people etc. They even opened the hospitals, schools, started charities... Lastly, if man created religion, it will disappear. If God created religion, it will last forever. |
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It will be ideal really if I could keep all my btc funds for future purpose (specially when we all see huge jump in btc price).
Unfortunately, because of financial difficulties I had no choice but to withdraw part of my btc funds.
Now, when I see how much I could get for it, only a year later, I feel sorry but I really didn't have choice.
I will try to keep all my remaining btc funds in the wallet and don't spend but who can know the future?
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Before year or two I tried to inspire people for bitcoin but without much success. Now, when they heard or even read in main news media about bitcoin price jump in recent months, all of them become very curious I still can't say that many of them joined but at least they are willing to listen what I have to say. It's progress |
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znaci u teoriji, ja bi mogao platiti vlasniku auta (rodaku) u btc, on primi btc i mi napravi darovni ugovor? drzava ce istraziti porjeklo imovine i ja cu im pokazati da je samo utrosena el. energija kako bi dosao do btc-a koji oni ne smatraju sredstvom placanja te posjedovanje istog nije bilo oporezivo, a to sto bivsi vlasnik smatra da ta "bezvezna" valuta za njega ima neku vrijednost i sto ce on kasnije sa btc nije vise moj problem, no kako u cijelom procesu nije nigdje bilo kune niti neke druge fiat valute jedini porez sto je ostao je 5% za prijepis
Vidim da ti je I.Grozni vrlo detaljno i jasno objasnio proces darivanja, pa se neću na tome zadržavati. Druga bitna stvar za razumjeti ovdje je da bitcoin u RH nije zakonsko sredstvo plaćanja. To znači da ti ne možeš poreznoj reći da si ostvario neku zaradu od bitcoina, jer ti to neće priznati kao zakonski prihod. Nikakve tu ''priče'' sa strujom i rudarenjem ne pomažu Jedino kada pretvoriš te bitcoine u kune i povućeš na svoj bankovni račun u RH, ti možeš poreznoj prijaviti da si ostvario zaradu od INterneta u inozemstvu, i platiti na to porez, prirez i ostale doprinose. Tada tek ta zarada za poreznike u RH postaje ''zakonita i legalna''. Pitat će te, kao i mene, o kakvoj se konkretnoj zaradi radi, i ti im onda možeš pokušati objasniti tu priču o struji i bitcoinima, na što će te oni samo ''bijelo'' pogledati te naći neko ''kreativno'' rješenje za ispunjavanje JOOPD obrasca na način da tvoju zaradu prikažu kao zaradu od umjetničkog rada u inozemstvu, ili nešto slično. Ovo ne izmišljam, tako je moj porezni referent ''kreativno'' rešio problem kako u poreznoj prijavi prikazati izvor moje internetske zarade. Na kraju se sve svelo na to da je bitno da porezna prijava tj. jOOPD obrasci nekako prođu i budu prihvaćeni u poreznom sustavu, te da sam na vrijeme platio predujam poreza, prirez i doprinose, a da je ostalo za državu manje bitno. |
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I don't think that we can expect anything good from Trump or Putin.
They represent their own interests only and don't care about world affairs at all.
They don't respect freedom, democracy, human rights ...
Their main goal is to dominate all the world.
I trust much more European leaders as Merkel and Macron.
They are truly European politicians, not only national.
Hopefully, they will lead EU toward better future.
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Why God exists in all people mind?
this is a pointless question without specifying what exactly is meant by god.
It's impossible to give one, unique, definition about God, because different people and religions have different understanding about nature of God. For some people, God is just energy or heaven. For others is absolute, omnipresent being, creator of everything. We also can't agree about definition of human mind, if spiritual world exist or not etc. So, try ro answer this question based on your own understanding what is God. |
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If I remember well, it was only about $150.
At that time, I wasn't serious enough.
I didn't believe that btc price will jump so high in just a few years.
I spend to much btc by investing in HYIP programs and now feel sad because of it.
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