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Thank you.So, just be patient little bit more I'm a few years on this forum, participated in many signature campaigns but this sig. campaign is simple the best! I'm member from the very beginning (from first month) and don't plan to leave and join any other campaign. |
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Right now all sort of source need capital investment. Without that making good profit is simply a hard task to be executed. In the options provided for voting I think trading and gambling gives good profit based on our skills as well we have got legitimate gambling and trading websites. HYIP's and other MLM schemes were simply a scam promotion.
For me, I see we have a good chance to make money if we will focus our time with trading, gambling is just a sort of entertainment and even if we win sometimes but it's guaranteed that we will just lose in the long run. If you haven't experience losing yet, you might be more aggressive but the moment it will hit you, you will realize you are fighting in a losing battle. I will never recommend trading or gambling as way to tom earn bitcoin. It's to risky really. It's ok to trade or gamble for fun, if you have some funds to spend for this purpose, and don't care if you will win or loose. However, if you can't afford to loose your funds, and you need it for your daily life, than please don't spend it.It's much better than to find some free ways to earn bitcoin without risk, like collecting faucets or signature campaigns. If you will not take risk you will not earn a big amount of money, it's true that you can collect from faucets and signature campaign but you will only get a limited amount of money which I don' think would satisfy you. As I clearly said in the post above: if you can't afford to loose your funds, and you need it for your daily life, than please don't spend it.So, yes, without risk there is no profit but I never recommend to use money you need for everyday life, food, bills etc, it's not worth the risk. Use only money you can afford to loose. |
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It's just another proof that Trump wasn't prepared for this position and did not understand the enormous responsibility that he will have as US president. He never was politician and didn't know what to expect. It seems to me that he saw the presidential campaign just as another reality show (and very good personal promotion) and on the end he was surprised and unprepared with the final result Now, he have to learn quickly political reality or everything will collapse before the start. |
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To be honest, Kim is just another dictator picked by the USA as a victim. He and his father ruled North Korea for years without the US's interference. The thing is USA needs a war so bad to fix their economy. They can't create it with Iran, they are too powerful. Russia, too powerful. China, they are the major trade partner and powerful. And there is poor North Korea... No connection with the rest of the world. When they are gone, nobody will notice. Nobody will cry after them. Media already made their way and advertised Kim as an evil piece of shit. (maybe true maybe false, it doesn't matter) People want him ded. And USA will give it to them.  It's not so simple, as you think. North Korea is brutal dictatorship since 1945 when Kim's grandfather become first president. In the past they already invited South Korea, but America saved South at that time, by sending military troops. Only reason why North Korea never invited South again is because of American military support last 60-70 years. So,they are not peaceful country, as you tried to suggest. North Korea have nuclear bombs and because of it they are much more dangerous to world peace than any other country in the world, including Syria or Iraq. Their leader is emotionally and mentally unstable person and therefore the situation is very dangerous. All country around north Korea, Russia, China, Japan, South Korea, understand this problem and trying to solve it through peace talks and through trade sanctions and political pressure. War is last option but who know what future can bring? |
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Yes and no For example, I recently heard from one company in my country, that they don't pay value added tax on buying or selling bitcoins. The tax exemption they received on the basis of taxpayer's opinion that bitcoin is a banknote which is normally not used as a statutory payment instrument. So, central bank in my country didn't recognize bitcoin as official currency and for tax office bitcoin is not legal way of payment, but they accepts that bitcoin is currency in some way. |
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Right now all sort of source need capital investment. Without that making good profit is simply a hard task to be executed. In the options provided for voting I think trading and gambling gives good profit based on our skills as well we have got legitimate gambling and trading websites. HYIP's and other MLM schemes were simply a scam promotion.
For me, I see we have a good chance to make money if we will focus our time with trading, gambling is just a sort of entertainment and even if we win sometimes but it's guaranteed that we will just lose in the long run. If you haven't experience losing yet, you might be more aggressive but the moment it will hit you, you will realize you are fighting in a losing battle. I will never recommend trading or gambling as way to tom earn bitcoin. It's to risky really. It's ok to trade or gamble for fun, if you have some funds to spend for this purpose, and don't care if you will win or loose. However, if you can't afford to loose your funds, and you need it for your daily life, than please don't spend it. It's much better than to find some free ways to earn bitcoin without risk, like collecting faucets or signature campaigns. |
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Kolko ja shvacam u Porezu na kapitalnu dobit je točno navedeno na što se plaća porez, a bitcoin (ili druge valute) ne spada niti pod jednu od navedenih stvari u porezu na kapitalnu dobit. Prema tome nema nikakvog poreza na dobit od bitcoina. Jesam li u krivu?
Meni je danas sjela poprilična svota od prodaje jedne druge crypto valute i zanima me dal bi trebao platiti neki porez.
Što se tiće pitanja o karticama, ja koristim karticu od The Rock Trading već duže vrijeme i nikakvih problema nisam imao do sada. Samo prodaš bilo koju valutu u EUR, upload na karticu i dižeš pare kad hoces.
Porez na kapitalnu dobit se uglavnom odnosi na zaradu od tzv. financijske imovine kao što su zarade od kupovine i prodaje dionica na burzi, dividendi i slično. Hrvatska narodna banka nije ''prepoznala'' bitcoin kao novac ili valutu, pa se u skladu s tim zarada od bitcoina i ne može prijaviti poreznoj kao dobit, financijska imovina, drugi dohodak i sl. Obveznici poreza postajete u trenutku kada svoje bitcoine ''odlučite'' razmijeniti u čvrstu valutu i novac povući na svoj račun u Hrvatskoj. Moguce, ali obveznik kojeg poreza? Nije na kapitalnu dobit, i nije porez od rada. Idem u utorak pitat na poreznu. Porez na drugi dohodak iz inozemstva. Mora se prijaviti u roku od 8 dana od dana primitka novca, preko JOOPD obrasca. Do ove godine plaćao se samo predujam poreza i prirez, a od ove godine mora se plaćati i zdravstveno i mirovinsko, na žalost. Pa kolko to na kraju ispadne? OK, pod pretpostavkom da si zaposlen i radiš i plaćaš prirez u Zagrebu, te da prijavljuješ drugi dohodak iz imozemstva, dat ću ti jedan primjer konkretne prijave poreznoj. Prvo devizni iznos, koji si primio, moraš pretvoriti u kune po srednjem tečaju HNB-a na dan primitka. Šifre koje upisuješ u JOOPD obrazac sam već objasnio u prethodnom postu, pa idemo na izračun. Recimo da je 11. iznos primitka, 198,44 kn. Tada je 12, Osnovica za obračun doprinosa, 138,91 kn (- 30 % za izdatke koje si imao). 12.1 Doprinos za mirovinsko osiguranje 10,42 kn tj. 7,5 % od 12. 12.2 Doprinos za mirovinsko osiguranje 2.stup, 3,47 kn ili 2,5 % od 12. 12.3 Doprinos za zdravstveno osiguranje 10,42 kn (7,5%) 13.1 Izdatak 59,53 kn ili razlika između 11 i 12. 13.2 Izdatak, uplaćeni doprinos za mirovinsko osiguranje, 13,89 kn ili 12.1 +12.2 13.3 Dohodak je 125,02 kn ili 12- 12.1 -12.2 13.5 Porezna osnovica je također 125,02 kn 14.1 Iznos obračunastog poreza na dohodak 30,00 kn ili 25 % od dohotka na 13.3 14.2 Iznos obračunatog prireza prezu na dohodak je 5.40 kn ili 18 % (prirez u gradu Zagrebu) od 14.1 16.2 Iznos za isplatu (neto iznos) u ovom primjeru je 149,15 kn ili ono što ostane kad se od ukupnog porimitka pod 11 oduzmu oba doprinosa za mirovinsko pod 12.1 i 12.2 te predujam poreza i prireza pod 14.1 i 142 Pod ostale stupce stavlja se 0. Nakon ovog obračuna, pod V.5 Ukupan iznos predujma poreza na dohodak po osnovi primitka od kojeg se utvrđuje drugi dohodak piše se 35.40 kn. POd VI. 1.2. Ukupni iznos doprinosa za mirovinsko osiguranje po osnovi drugog dohotka piše se 10,42 kn Pod VI. 2.2 Ukupan iznos doprinosa za mirovinsko osiguranje na temelju indvidualne kapitalizirane štednje po osnovi drugog dohotka piše se 3.47 kn. Zadnja 3 iznosa se zbroje i plaćaju Poreznoj. Dakle, u ovom primjeru državi je otišlo malo manje od 30 % od internet zarade Evo, nadam se da je ovaj konkretan primjer (prihvaćen i odobren od porezne) pomogao. |
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Kolko ja shvacam u Porezu na kapitalnu dobit je točno navedeno na što se plaća porez, a bitcoin (ili druge valute) ne spada niti pod jednu od navedenih stvari u porezu na kapitalnu dobit. Prema tome nema nikakvog poreza na dobit od bitcoina. Jesam li u krivu?
Meni je danas sjela poprilična svota od prodaje jedne druge crypto valute i zanima me dal bi trebao platiti neki porez.
Što se tiće pitanja o karticama, ja koristim karticu od The Rock Trading već duže vrijeme i nikakvih problema nisam imao do sada. Samo prodaš bilo koju valutu u EUR, upload na karticu i dižeš pare kad hoces.
Porez na kapitalnu dobit se uglavnom odnosi na zaradu od tzv. financijske imovine kao što su zarade od kupovine i prodaje dionica na burzi, dividendi i slično. Hrvatska narodna banka nije ''prepoznala'' bitcoin kao novac ili valutu, pa se u skladu s tim zarada od bitcoina i ne može prijaviti poreznoj kao dobit, financijska imovina, drugi dohodak i sl. Obveznici poreza postajete u trenutku kada svoje bitcoine ''odlučite'' razmijeniti u čvrstu valutu i novac povući na svoj račun u Hrvatskoj.Znas li mozda tocan postotak koji smo obvezni platiti? Ako mi naprimjer od prodaje 10 bitcoina danas na devizni sjedne 13000 usd tj 90 000 kn koliko onda iznosi porez? 5 posto? 10,20?? Teško je točno izračunati postotak jer to ovisi o tome da li si u radnom odnosu ili ne (tj. da li se radi o prvom ili drugom dohotku), zatim u kojem gradu živiš (zbog prireza) i dr. Računaj da će ti otprilike trećina tog iznosa otići na predujam poreza, zatim na prirez te zdravstveno i mirovinsko. Ove zadnje 2 stavke su postale obvezne od ove godine, prije to nisu tražili. Svaki primitak novca u roku od 8 dana moraš prijaviti poreznoj preko JOOPD obrasca. Ukoliko to ne učiniš, u poreznom si prekršaju. Od početka ove godine banke su dužne slati poreznoj sve tvoje bankovne izvode, a ne kao prije samo veće iznose, iznad 105 000 kn tako da ''skrivanja'' više nema. ''Veliki brat'' sve vidi |
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Kolko ja shvacam u Porezu na kapitalnu dobit je točno navedeno na što se plaća porez, a bitcoin (ili druge valute) ne spada niti pod jednu od navedenih stvari u porezu na kapitalnu dobit. Prema tome nema nikakvog poreza na dobit od bitcoina. Jesam li u krivu?
Meni je danas sjela poprilična svota od prodaje jedne druge crypto valute i zanima me dal bi trebao platiti neki porez.
Što se tiće pitanja o karticama, ja koristim karticu od The Rock Trading već duže vrijeme i nikakvih problema nisam imao do sada. Samo prodaš bilo koju valutu u EUR, upload na karticu i dižeš pare kad hoces.
Porez na kapitalnu dobit se uglavnom odnosi na zaradu od tzv. financijske imovine kao što su zarade od kupovine i prodaje dionica na burzi, dividendi i slično. Hrvatska narodna banka nije ''prepoznala'' bitcoin kao novac ili valutu, pa se u skladu s tim zarada od bitcoina i ne može prijaviti poreznoj kao dobit, financijska imovina, drugi dohodak i sl. Obveznici poreza postajete u trenutku kada svoje bitcoine ''odlučite'' razmijeniti u čvrstu valutu i novac povući na svoj račun u Hrvatskoj. Moguce, ali obveznik kojeg poreza? Nije na kapitalnu dobit, i nije porez od rada. Idem u utorak pitat na poreznu. Porez na drugi dohodak iz inozemstva. Mora se prijaviti u roku od 8 dana od dana primitka novca, preko JOOPD obrasca. Do ove godine plaćao se samo predujam poreza i prirez, a od ove godine mora se plaćati i zdravstveno i mirovinsko, na žalost. Inače, u JOOPD šifrarniku ''Internet zarada'' ne postoji kao posebna kategorija dohotka. Naši vrli političari nisu se ''sjetili'' da bi tamo netko mogao zarađivati na Internetu, pa to nisu predvidjeli u poreznom zakonu. Moj porezni referent je našao ''kreativno'' rješenje ovog problema. Pod 6.1 Oznaka stjecatelja/osiguranika u JOOPD obrascu pišem šifru 4002, Primici po osnovi naknada za isporučeno umjetničko djelo osobama koje obavljaju umjetničku i kulturnu djelatnost a pod 6.2 Oznaka primitka/obveze doprinosa, pišem JOOPD šifru 4001, Primici od autorskih naknada isplaćenih prema posebnom zakonu kojim se uređuju autorska i srodna prava. Ukoliko znate zemlju iz kojeg primate dohodak, stavljate šifru 4047 (tada morate upisati i šifru države), Primici od autorskih naknada isplaćenih prema posebnom zakonu kojim se uređuju autorska i srodna prava koji su ostvareni iz inozemstva. Tako sam silom prilika postao ''umjetnik'' |
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Malo sam istražio zakon o PDV-u.
Vidim da ti na računu piše da je transakcija oslobođena plaćanja PDV-a na temelju članka 40 Zakona o PDV-u.
Istražio sam to i, kako taj članak 40 navodi jako puno iznimaka, za koje se ne plaća pDV tj. vrijedi oslobođenje od plaćanja pDV-a kao što su npr. transakcije osiguranja i reosiguranja, odobravanje kredita i zajmova,... neću ih ovdje sve navoditi već samo ono što mislim da se odnosi na nas tj. na bitcoin transakcije.
U stavci e ovog članka 40 piše da su od PDV-a oslobođene:
e) transakcije, uključujući posredovanje, u vezi s valutama, novčanicama i kovanicama koje se koriste kao zakonsko sredstvo plaćanja, osim kolekcionarskih predmeta, odnosno kovanica od zlata, srebra ili drugog metala te novčanica koje se u pravilu ne koriste kao zakonsko sredstvo plaćanja ili kovanica od numizmatičkog interesa,
Dakle, ili je kupovina i prodaja bitcoina oslobođena plaćanja PDV-a jer bitcoin tretiraju kao drugu valutu (što ne vjerujem jer to ne mogu bez dozvole HNB-a) ili zato što bitcoin tretiraju kao ''novčanicu koja se u pravilu ne koristi kao zakonsko sredstvo plaćanja''
što je puno vjerojatnije i realnije.
Vjerujem da ovoj firmi nije bilo lako dokazati u poreznoj što je bitcoin (i pitanje koliko su to uspjeli) no ipak su uspjeli pronaći ''rupu'' u zakonu, odredbu koja se može primjeniti na bitcoin transakcije i tako dobiti oslobođenje od PDV-a.
Treba im čestitati što su to uspjeli.
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...svoje bitcoine ''odlučite'' razmijeniti u čvrstu valutu i novac povući na svoj račun u Hrvatskoj. To je sve još uvijek nesigurno. I ja sam do sada mislio da u trenutku kada se novac povuče na račun treba platiti porez i to mi je i logično jer je isto kao da ste prodali bilo što drugo, ali ovdje imam primjer gdje sam prodao i kupio BTC od legalne tvrtke u Zagrebu i u računu koje dostavljam niže piše da je sve oslobođeno poreza: Prodaja:https://ufile.io/3kxd4Kupnja:https://ufile.io/1u75tMislim da ta firma posluje u tzv. ''sivoj zoni'' tj. koriste zakonsku nedorečenost u pitanju bitcoina. S obzirom da bitcoin nije službeno priznat kao legalno sredstvo plaćanja, na njega se ne može platiti porez ali nije ga ni nezakonito koristiti, a za zakonodavca trenutno bitcoin ima istu vrijednost kao i tokeni u nekoj igri, dakle virtualnu a ne stvarnu. Ako se račun izda u bitcoinu a ne legalnom sredstvu plaćanja u RH, tada zbog pravne nedorečenosti porezna ne može uzeti porez na tu transakciju. Pretpostavljam da firma porez plati kada bitcoine zamjene u kune. kada broj pravnih i fizičkih osoba, koje koriste bitcoin, kao i broj takvih transakcija, naraste tada će i Hrvatska narodna banka biti prisiljena na određeni način ''legalizirati i priznati'' bitcoin a tada će i porezna zakonski moći naplatiti porez i na bitcoin transakcije. HNB će sigurno slijediti i pravnu regulativu u EU. |
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Would you kill your own children if God commanded you to?
A perfectly valid legit question.
Please no attempts to derail the thread with nonsense like "God would never say that" or "God would never change the rules with murder" etc....
Well my opinion is that i would never do something like that. Because if God commanded me, that means i heard his voice or something like that. In that case that would mean that i am mentally ill and that i need medical help, because if person hear and see something that only he can hear than its for medical help XD . I don't think that you will be mentally ill if you hear God's voice. In such case, all saints and holy mans from the history, including Jesus, st. Francis etc. was mentally ill and crazy. I don't think so. Crazy people don't hear voices from god but from evil spirits. It's very difficult to deal with it if people are emotionally unstable. So, if you hear voice and command to kill your own child, first try to find out who is talking with you. |
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Bitcoin is decentralized and open source which makes it difficult to regulate or encourage from a political standpoint. Is it possible for bitcoin to be integrated into real government and society if it is so hard to regulate. Will it ever become truly "mainstream" and will people start to accept it and find ways to integrate it into society, because right now it almost feels kind of like a gimmick. I see machines around every once in a while to get bitcoin but they always charge ridiculous transaction feels, and whenever I see a sign that says "now accepting bitcoin" it always feels kind of gimmicky. What do you thing?
It will be very difficult to achieve such goal. Bitcoin is decentralized, so no government, bank or some body stand behind it. It means that is very difficult to fully legalize bitcoin. If any country wants to officially accept new currency, they have to sign legal agreement with legal representative. Who is bitcoin legal representative? Nobody. So, if financial laws and regulations remain the same, there is no way that bitcoin becomes fully and legally accepted. Much more realistic is that bitcoin will remain as main alternative to official currencies. |
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I wonder what is happening in bitcoin network. 8 hour's to transfer coin from blockchain into localbitcoin wallet. Currently, this is happening who knows what is going to happen within the next 3-5 year's.  Thanks 8 hours!? Not bad, if you ask me. Before I never had problem with bitcoin transactions. Each time i received funds in a few hours. Recently, I had to wait more than 24 hours in order to receive my funds. So, I learned my lesson and next time increased fee, and received funds again very fast, in a few hours. So, if you are in hurry, just offer more money for fees and problem solved |
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My neighbor is a financial advisor who warned me about the bitcoin ponzi scam when I introduced him to it. I watched him go through all the stages of BTC from "You can't just create money, it's not allowed", to "well now it costs to much, better to buy alts like stupid-coin, it's not so expensive." The final stage is "Please help me get bitcoins, I'm desperate!" He actually has asked me about doing a presentation at his business because they have had a few questions from clients. You know what pushed him over the edge? His wife. I gave her some coin to play with on her phone and within weeks they were glued to watching the price. It is easy to understand that they have more money.  Haha this is so typical. I had a friend who was fascinated with how you can make money holding bitcoin. His expectations were so high that he thought he'll put $5k and have $10k next month  When the price fell a bit he sold with a loss, said it was shit and promised to never get near it again. 2 years later he started asking me how my investment is doing because he's thinking about buying some. When we deal with money and finance, we should be very rational, not emotional. If people follow emotions, they loose money, every time. It's the best to make long term goal, and stick to this plan doesn't matter what happen. If something is ''real thing'' as bitcoin, its value will increase over time, of course with occasional ups and downs. If people act in panic (every time) because of a temporary decline in value of bitcoin, they will never become successful and rich. |
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Kolko ja shvacam u Porezu na kapitalnu dobit je točno navedeno na što se plaća porez, a bitcoin (ili druge valute) ne spada niti pod jednu od navedenih stvari u porezu na kapitalnu dobit. Prema tome nema nikakvog poreza na dobit od bitcoina. Jesam li u krivu?
Meni je danas sjela poprilična svota od prodaje jedne druge crypto valute i zanima me dal bi trebao platiti neki porez.
Što se tiće pitanja o karticama, ja koristim karticu od The Rock Trading već duže vrijeme i nikakvih problema nisam imao do sada. Samo prodaš bilo koju valutu u EUR, upload na karticu i dižeš pare kad hoces.
Porez na kapitalnu dobit se uglavnom odnosi na zaradu od tzv. financijske imovine kao što su zarade od kupovine i prodaje dionica na burzi, dividendi i slično. Hrvatska narodna banka nije ''prepoznala'' bitcoin kao novac ili valutu, pa se u skladu s tim zarada od bitcoina i ne može prijaviti poreznoj kao dobit, financijska imovina, drugi dohodak i sl. Obveznici poreza postajete u trenutku kada svoje bitcoine ''odlučite'' razmijeniti u čvrstu valutu i novac povući na svoj račun u Hrvatskoj. |
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We can't compare Obama and Trump yet.
Obama was president 8 years and Trump is president only 100 days.
It's to early compare them.
Obama had many achievements and of course many mistake, as every president.
It's still to short time to say anything about Trump.
Trump changed a lot since when he became president and he is now more rational and more sensible.
If he continue this way, he may become a good president.
The time will show.
He currently has no concrete results to show.
The Obamacare did not pass, nor did the building of the wall against Mexico.
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By definition, religion is an organized faith, an institution. Faith means to believe in something supernatural, invisible, omnipotent and omnipresent. By this standard, bitcoin is not faith or religion. Yes, most of us trust bitcoin, have faith in bitcoin, but bitcoin is not new cult or sect |
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Very good thing with bitcoin is that my government didn't officially recognize bitcoin as currency or financial assets. It means that I don't need to mention bitcoin in my last will and my descendants don't need to pay any taxes on bitcoin. I will just write personal letter to them, explain about bitcoin and give them all info how to access btc wallet. Hopefully, at that time, btc price will increase much more and they will become rich |
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It's very difficult to answer such question.
It's the best, of course, if you can earn your bitcoin through some work and just collect funds in your wallet and wait for good price to sell it.
If you plan to buy bitcoin, right now btc price is very high, so maybe is better for you to wait.
You have many other crypto currency available, so if you want top lower risk, invest in more crypto currencies.
Bitcoin is risk like anything else in the market today.
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