I could arrange a theft of my 21 litecoins. Would that make some headlines?

I agree with the last poster. A character like Steve Jobs does marketing that cannot be bought with any amount of money.

Bruce Wagner tried.....

After that photon has taken 4 light years to get to earth, how much time has passed at Alpha Centauri B?

Oh, that makes more sense. Still, are they sure their devices check out? After all, there's no one at Alpha Centauri B to confirm. 

How can that wobble possibly be detected?

Its like detecting a 1mm wobble from 49 billion miles away. Or, a four thousands of an inch wobble at 4.9 billion miles.

Those are ridiculous numbers. Surely the margin of error would be an order of magnitude greater than those measurements.

And yet the structure and order behind things like logic and mathematics do not cease to exist if we stop thinking about them. This is the non-physical reality that, as I have been arguing, exists.


Exactly. An IMAGINARY universe where logical contradictions can happen. Such a universe exists only in the imagination, according to all evidence.


Logic seems consistent because it is consistent. We don't live in black holes, so you can't call that our physical reality.


Yes, and a constantly changing theory, I might add.

Your English is fine. English was not my first language either. 

Although we may not be able to detect any physical consciousness, it is plausible that the person has a limited physical awareness, but cannot communicate through their damaged physical faculties anymore, in spite of the soul still being present.

Science cannot prove that awareness has ceased in a brain damaged person, it can only prove that physical responses are no longer active.


Scientists publish books too.

That is incorrect. Again, no person needs to be present for that logical contradiction argument to work. It may not be of any significance if there are no persons present to evaluate the logic argument, but that does not nullify the argument or logic itself.

Secondly, its not a conundrum.

co·nun·drum/kəˈnəndrəm/
Noun:   
A confusing and difficult problem or question.
A question asked for amusement, typically one with a pun in its answer; a riddle.

A logical contradiction cannot happen, ever. No matter if humans are present or not. Its not a riddle, nor is it confusing or difficult to understand. Logic is a critical component to the structure and order of the universe. Without it, there can only be chaos.

To the point, logic exists apart from ANY physical reality or human mind. That is evidence of something going on behind the scenes.

No, if one is not attuned to spiritual things. Corinthians 2:14 says:

14. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.


You just broke the laws of logic....and your own argument. Truth IS an unbreakable constant. We may not always know what the truth is, and some questions cannot be answered true or false. But some can. You've been arguing that 'this' reality is true! Do you mean to say that if all humans were to die off, that this reality would no longer be true? That this dimension would cease to exist? Then you agree with Dank that everything is an illusion of the mind.

The example of logical contradictions is very similar. For instance, it is a logical contradiction to say "my car is in the parking lot, and my car is not in the parking lot". If this law is broken, there would be chaos. Matter could be in two places at once. We didn't invent this law. It must have been put in place before the creation of the universe. Otherwise no ordered universe is possible.

No, complete fantasies aren't real. It's you're job, now that you've made the claim, to show conclusively that the supernatural is a fantasy. "Everyone knows it" is not a good argument, because we have at least two people who directly refute your claim. You need to show that a neurosurgeon and an intelligent articulate young woman are both incompetent at separating fantasy from reality.


underlying present participle of un·der·lie (Verb)
Verb:   
Be the cause or basis of (something): "the fundamental issue that underlies the conflict".

Rethink your quote in the context of the correct definition of the term 'underlying'.

Why 'must' there be a physical effect? The underlying reality is a spiritual reality, not a physical one.



Easy. Truth (as a concept) exists outside of and separate from any human brain. Logical contradictions are another example.

No. Knowing about EM fields tells us we have a lot to learn about what is real.


Yes it is consistent physically. We are designed to perceive it as such. That doesn't prove there isn't another underlying reality.

Sure. Lets talk about what we think are solid objects. Did you know that 'solid' matter really is 99.99% empty space? Its true! Atoms are VASTLY empty, its the electrical field generated in the atom that gives us the illusion of solid objects.


Diameter of a nucleus is around 10^-12 cm.
Diameter of an atom is on the order of 10^-8 cm (up to 5*10^-8).

Taking the smaller range of the atom, the ratio is:

atom/nucleus = 10^-8/10^-12 = 10^4

Thus, if the nucleus was 6cm in diameter, the atom would be:

6cm * 10^4 = 60000cm = 600 meters in diameter


See the Rutherford experiment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger%E2%80%93Marsden_experiment

This isn't news, that experiment was done in 1909!

Could that mean that our current "reality" is not real in the way we perceive it to be? Could our reality be an overlay on top of a base system? I believe so.

Dank, that means you can't know anything to be real, including the theory itself. If what you say is true, then what you say, can't be true.

I believe that we can mostly trust our senses, our minds function reasonably well and we can know many things to be true.

Good point. Atheism has a very small minority. How about that, amencon? Studies show....

No kiddin' i sold my farm over a year ago. 

An illusion is a distortion of the senses. So, how do you tell, Dank, that your theory of illusion, is not an illusion?

How can you trust your thoughts, if they are 100% wrong?

BOOM. That worldview blows itself up. It can't work.

That is an assumption. We have no way to test for supernatural realities because science can't measure supernatural phenomena. That is a problem of science, not a problem of realities. Science is merely a tool, if you use the wrong tool for the job, of course you'll find nothing. Can't watch TV with a radio, that's one analogy I like to use.

Science is a learning field, where the tools used in science are continually being upgraded. It is a big mistake to discount the experiences of people that don't match your reality because we're too primitive in our technology to see past the end of our noses.

Only a short time ago, the study of subatomic particles was almost non-existent, almost entirely theoretical. But scientists kept an open mind and devised ways to detect the phenomena they predicted to exist. Today we can prove that subatomic particles exist, and look back at past scientific theory and chuckle at their ignorance.

I think we can all tell the difference between  schizophrenic and someone who knows what they experienced.

Here's a video of a real schizophrenic, just to make the difference real clear:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35gcBL1ZwY4

Here's another one:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGQDkCi-OIY

Tammy Leroux shot herself, had an afterlife experience, then returned to life in surgery, where she remembered every detail.

The best parts are in the middle, don't stop watching.

"In the afterlife" is referencing a place, not just a state of being. Decomposition outside of the physical plane has not been evidenced.