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8641  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proposal to change Bitcoins hashing algorithm to Scrpyt-Jane on: June 14, 2013, 06:12:23 PM
Just be happy that there is no new technology beyond ASICs for a long time.
8642  Other / Off-topic / Re: Post pics of cute/hot mining chicks. on: June 14, 2013, 06:07:56 PM
8643  Other / Off-topic / Re: Post pics of cute/hot mining chicks. on: June 14, 2013, 06:07:12 PM
8644  Other / Politics & Society / Re: living With Terrorism on: June 14, 2013, 06:00:33 PM
The only terrorists I've ever seen are the ones in office.

lol true
Maybe. But the ones who blow up buildings are worse I think.

Are we talking about the ones in office or terrorists?
8645  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do live in an anarchist world on: June 14, 2013, 05:52:29 PM
Maybe some would be less bloodthirsty and less evil than our present ones are, but that sounds like the gist of your point; that governments are inevitable, even in anarchy, because we still haven't left a civilization where survival of the fittest is in play.

Just one little problem with that... What about all the times through history when there WAS NO government?

Historical examples of Anarchy without Chaos

I am not saying that governments are inevitable, but that there has to be something in place for each person to be protected from the formation of power greater than them.

The wild west is a great example of no government but a culture built upon self reliance and self defense. Being good with your gun was common, carrying guns was common. The wife and kids at home knowing how to shoot a rifle or shotgun was common. It was common for a reason. They also had the ability to raise a posse and organize spontaneously as people were more grounded and knew everyone in town, so going up against one person was going up against the whole town if you were being predatory.

In Iceland they had a great form of electing people to represent them in a competitive way and organize protection against other groups. It worked well until something more powerful, the Catholic church, came along and tipped the balance.

The absense of government will not necessarily create government but it will at least be replaced by people cooperating with one another in a way to best increase their ability to protect themselves. If everyone has equal power then the golden rule is a given, it is in both of their best interests to do so. With an unequal balance of power the one with the power gets to decide if the golden rule is followed, our US government has demonstrated that it does not need to follow that rule against those that are weaker.
8646  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can quantum computing destroy Bitcoin? (cryptocurrencies?) on: June 14, 2013, 05:23:10 PM
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8647  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do live in an anarchist world on: June 14, 2013, 01:39:43 AM
Elwar, to date you and I have seen eye to eye on everything, but the title on this post pisses me off!

Yes, I know what you mean, we all experience a harmonic anarchy most every day. When I went to the grocery store today, I followed the stores rules and the society around me followed etiquette and everything went smoothly with no state intrusion whatsoever. Harmony without rulers. Check.

BUT... To state that the "World is anarchist" is spitting in the face of freedom! For the world to be anarchist today, I'd think there needs to be no democide going on anywhere, no prisons full of people who aren't real murderers, no corporatism nor cronyism, and of course no freaking tax farms with arbitrary borders!

It's kinda insulting, at least the title is. You're almost denying the sacrifice of everyone who ever died from democide.

Setting that aside, I've got one other major beef with your OP. You clearly are making a strawman argument with what your vision of a world in anarchy would be like during this part:
At that point you face a choice. Are you more powerful than that dude? Can you continue drinking without him interfering? You may be bigger so you stand up to him telling him that you are a free person that can do whatever he wants. The dude disagrees and pulls a gun. In this anarchist world, survival of the fittest prevails. You are subject to that person's whim because he has more power than you do. He can now use his gun to take you prisoner for as long as he and his friends think is right in their own eyes.
In a world without rulers, there would be other pressures and circumstances that you are not taking into consideration here. The scenario would go very differently indeed if it escalated past politeness.

For one thing there is a thing called Assurance. For another, there is Private Security.

That is what I was talking about when talking about you and your friends having enough power to make the power of the other moot. Call them friends, call them paid security or whichever.

The statement of an anarchist world goes along the lines of being born with inalienable rights. That is just something you are born with, everything from there on is thrust upon you such as the prisons, taxes, borders, etc.

But in a world of survival of the fittest, those that organize their protection win out. It just so happens that this has happened. The US government has amassed great power, and they are more fit than me or you in this world of survival of the fittest.

That is why I am saying that just like in the world of currencies, the Federal Reserve has reigned as the ruler of money in the US. The solution is not to end the Fed or destroy the dollar. But to build an alternative that is better. I believe that is also the best way forward when dealing with governments. Not to try to end them or bring them down, but to create a better alternative based on voluntary decentralized power.

In such a way that the 18 year old scenario would be more like this:
You leave home at 18 taking along a bottle of champagne to the local park. You go to take a drink and a guy stops you.
At that point you face a choice. Are you more powerful than that dude? Can you continue drinking without him interfering? You may be bigger so you stand up to him telling him that you are a free person that can do whatever he wants. The dude disagrees and pulls a gun. He tells you that the park was created by the Conservative Prohibition Club and one of their rules for the park is that nobody can drink alcohol on their property. He tells you that he belongs to their security force, CPC security and that he has jurisdiction on all property belonging to that club. But he tells you that the Liberty Alliance has a park just down the road that allows drinking whatever you want. They have a Liberty Alliance security force that is just as powerful as the CPC security so they leave each other alone, besides both security forces get partial funding from the Stop the Violence Association who's explicit goal is to prevent security forces that they fund from interfering with one another or face the loss of funding.
You move along to the Liberty Alliance park and enjoy a good drink with like minded people.
8648  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Bitcoin fear Army's new 50 petaflops supercomputer? on: June 14, 2013, 12:36:02 AM
The IBM technology is software based, not hardware based. It decentralizes the computations at a software program level so that you can run the program spread out over many machines. This works really well for feeding data through it in real time and not having any bottle necks. I used to work for IBM and took a class on how to use their Watson technology.

As for mining, saying that this is something to worry about would be like saying that we should worry about them using 100-1000 computers using CPUs to do a 51% attack.

But when I took the class they mentioned that they were able to feed all of the data of the Internet through the thing in 2 weeks. They tried to see how much data could break it in a simulation and their data producing engines could not create data fast enough to overwhelm it.
8649  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We do live in an anarchist world on: June 13, 2013, 09:01:20 PM
I believe the key thing in thinking about this is that if we get rid of government, it will create a vaccuum to be filled by more centralized power to control our lives.

What needs to happen is to do like Bitcoin and create a decentralized alternative first.

Voluntarism/Agorism may be such an answer.

I think I can agree with that.

Reading your OP I couldn't help but think you're understanding "anarchy" differntly than I am. For me it doesn't mean "no rules, no order, chaos". It just means "no state, no ruler". There can still be order and rules. Rules that are our own because we voluntarily agree to use them.


Well archy means: a combining form meaning “rule,” “government,”.

So anarchy would be without rule or government. Basically nobody ruling over you. Chaos implies confusion or disorder. That is not what I am saying would happen without people being ruled. The only chaos would be from the perception of someone who wishes to rule people.

But there can be order without being ruled. You play a game of pool and though there are rules, nobody is ruling over the players. The rules are agreed upon by the two players beforehand and followed.
8650  Other / Politics & Society / How soon in his presidency would Mitt Romney have stopped the NSA snooping? on: June 13, 2013, 01:17:50 AM
For those who supported Mitt Romney, do you really believe that he would have done anything differently when it comes to the NSA and gathering information on every American to help "fight the war on terror"?




Your choice was not in November 2012, it was in winter & spring 2012. Did you choose the guy who would have put an end to the spying?
8651  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Biggist Threat To Decentralized Crypto-Currency And The Bitcoin Ideology on: June 13, 2013, 01:04:48 AM
You speak of GPU miners as though they would be making big money today if it were not for FPGAs and ASICs.

The reality is that back in the day CPU miners were complaining in the same way that people who can afford to buy expensive GPU cards had an unfair advantage and were taking away the decentralization of Bitcoin. That anyone should be able to just turn on their money and start making money.

Back then, the investment in a $1,000-$2,000 graphics card may net you $1,500 to $2,000 worth of bitcoins. Sometimes people lost money on mining.

Then FPGAs come along and outpace the GPUs. These cost more and the return is slightly more because the Bitcoin price has gone up a bit more. Then ASICs come along and they cost more and the return is again slightly more because the Bitcoin price has gone up a bit more. But the percentage has remained fairly constant no matter which hardware has been used.

But the thing here is, there is a large chasm between the fastest hardware available today for mining and the next level (quantum computing).

We are in the early adopter phase of ASICs. Several companies are working to mass produce these by the hundreds of thousands.

In the future you will be able to order an ASIC at a much lower cost and have it shipped out within days. Hell, just before quantum computing comes out you may be able to go to your local Best Buy or Walmart and buy a Bitcoin ASIC miner next to the roku boxes.

The more people that are able to use these ASICs will mean that the difficulty will be higher and the payout will not be as high as it is today, but the price will be higher so more than likely there may be a return similar to what people have received before. But the key is that they will become even more decentralized. There is no "next" technology to pool money for like the ASICs that will give you an advantage over everyone else.

If you are a physics major your best way forward would be to look into quantum computing and focus on that because I guarantee that once Bitcoin takes off, the sprint will be to be the first to come online with a quantum miner. But the technological leap will be years in between so we will be able to enjoy cheap ASICs for quite some time.

They key to the faster technologies is that the faster they are, the more secure Bitcoin will be, and the worries of a 51% attack by any outside entity will be a thing of the past.
8652  Other / Off-topic / Re: Geopieces on: June 12, 2013, 02:18:10 AM
I have the US Capitol.

That ain't the capitol! You bought the National Library two blocks over.

Hmm, I got the grid two spaces in front of the location of the capitol which is where the street is. But not directly in the location.

Oops...maybe someone will sill give me 10k for it. Tongue
8653  Other / Off-topic / Re: Geopieces on: June 12, 2013, 01:46:45 AM
I tried the game but can't even get the first piece, saying I don't have enuff G, I thought the first piece was free?

You have to confirm your e-mail.
8654  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoins for Edward Snowden. on: June 12, 2013, 01:45:43 AM
The fact that he believed Obama's promises shows that he is not all that smart.

He will be caught.
8655  Other / Off-topic / Re: PS4 vs Xbox One? on: June 12, 2013, 01:37:53 AM
The next Final Fantasy will not be made for Xbox as well.

Smiley
8656  Other / Off-topic / Re: Geopieces on: June 12, 2013, 01:36:48 AM
I have the US Capitol.
8657  Other / Off-topic / Re: Geopieces on: June 12, 2013, 01:16:55 AM
Has the White House been claimed yet?
8658  Other / Off-topic / Re: PS4 vs Xbox One? on: June 12, 2013, 01:15:47 AM
if PS4 charges an online fee for Netflix, as Microsoft has done (the fuckers), then I will def not be getting either.  See the list below:

No online fee for PS4 to play Netflix, games do not require Internet connection but if you want to play online games it's $50 (not sure of time frame).
8659  Other / Off-topic / Re: PS4 vs Xbox One? on: June 12, 2013, 01:12:25 AM
I thought the PS4 wasn't revealed..

Just looked up the PS4, I would rather get the PS4 than a XBox One. But I'd rather have a laptop, or a computer.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/ps4-vs-xbox-one-sony-and-microsoft-headtohead-at-e3-games-expo-2013-8654333.html

You can pre-order at the Sony website.
8660  Other / Off-topic / PS4 vs Xbox One? on: June 12, 2013, 12:48:37 AM
Which will you be getting this Christmas?

Also, does anyone know if there would be a procedure to get in as a business to bulk order several hundred of these so we could pool our money to get a shot of the first run of deliveries? 

If so, that would be one of the first trials for my BitPools site.
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