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OP won't change his mind regardless of what gets brought up, therefore this thread is a waste of time. The same. Lauda won't change his mind and it is clear why. But if you think for a while about this: For years I've been unhappy with how DefaultTrust ended up as a centralized and largely-untouchable authority... This is a good start. therefore this thread is a waste of time. No one forces you to follow this thread. |
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Благодарю всех за доверие и такие слова. Честно, не ожидал... Хочу еще кое что добавить, интересное замечание со стороны одного хорошего человека, которого я знаю не первый год -- MaoChao. У нас с ним уже второй или третий день подряд дискуссия в Телеграме, по поводу ДТ0 и ДТ1. И вчера он одну хорошую вещь сказал: " Разносчиков зеленого траста в русскоязычной ветке почти нет." И он чертовски прав. Я об этом тоже никогда не думал. Но почему у нас такая ситуация? Например, все мы знаем poptop, и знаем что это не скаммер, а очень толковый чувак. Но в трасте у него отметился только johhnyUA. Заметьте, я не предлагаю врать в трасте, что вы провели с ним сделку на 50-100-150 BTC, нет! Просто положительный отзыв (если на ваше мнение он заслужил, а также включить его в свой траст-лист), а в поле Risked BTC ничего не пишите, если не проводили с ним сделку. И так с другими, не только с poptop-ом. У меня тоже есть личный список приятных мне людей (врагов у меня нет), и на днях, я всем им оставлю траст + коммент, почему я оставил такой траст. Такое поведение НЕ будет рассматриваться как нарушение правил. Пример №1 -- Взгляните хотя бы на инглиш часть форума, и за что они друг-другу дают зеленый траст. Прочитайте пожалуйста пост от esmanthra, там есть рекомендации --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1804284.msg36118826#msg36118826 Пример №2 -- Еще давно мне поставил зеленый траст чувак из ДТ1. Он тоже Монеро-сектант, мы пару общались, у него были вопросы по кошельку и по нашей ноде. А зеленый траст он мне поставил из-за того что я с ним поделился красивым bb-кодом (лого Монеро, которое я нашел в другого чувака). В этой игшлиш теме, что я создал в Meta... Лауда походу думает что я хочу "свергнуть режим", это совсем не так. Я за то, чтобы каждый активный юзер данного форума сознательно принял решение. Если кто то за DefaultTrust -- прекрасно, это ваш выбор, главное чтобы он был осознанным. UPD. А вот и он выше сам отписался |
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В верхней таблице есть мой ник, а значит что мой голос считается.
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И да, из той полемики у меня сложилось впечатление, что они рассматривают нас ( имею ввиду русскоязычную локаль), как нечто, стоящее на более низкой ступени развития.
+1, тоже так показалось. Хотя мне кажется что СНГ-шный народ лучше умеет пользоваться Гуглом. Пы. Сы . Я бы не тратил свое время на разговоры с той группой. Я буду чуть иначе действовать, отвечать по возможности, а заодно и тема будет апаться, и все будет гуд. |
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TheFuzzStone, can you name your 25 favorite entomologists? No, because I am not interested in Entomology. And where did you get the habit of moving away from the topic? Why did you ask this question in theese thread? How do you expect a person just learning a topic to choose who to trust? What about Google? What about the forum search engine? What about feedbacks in threads? What about feedbacks from not bots/alts? What about checking accounts from which feedbacks were left? These are all rhetorical questions. It is clear that users do not want to leave DT1. I've never been cheated by scammers and not because of some mystical protection from DT1. Those are the consequences of your suggestion. No. And again you did not understand correctly, or did not want to understand. Bullshit doesn't deserve friendly responses. Oh, In that way? I have no desire to waste my time on an ignorant person. If you want to find a person to quarrel, then this is not for me. I am 100% convinced you've first heard the word decentralization when you encountered Bitcoin Well, here you are again mistaken, dear DT1 user. Is the conversation going to personal insults? I did not think that you would be angry so soon and that was not my goal. Sometimes false knowledge is more dangerous than ignorance. Smart People Quotes TM. How many "active users" know about these things now? < 10% (if I'm being extremely optimistic)? And this is why this percentage needs to be raised! I'm going to assume that the answer is "God will protect me and punish the scammers".
Wrong. See an answer in the top of this post.
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Use your head. I'm using it. But thanks for a suggestion! Some people get scammed even by user accounts that already have red trust; ... and they did get not help from DT1 do you really think it would be better if there was no red trust?  Where did you read this in my post? My point is that new registered users should not have by default DefaultTrust in their trust list. This list should be chosen consciously by each user. Let's toss everyone into chaos. These are your words, not mine. After all if we can protect some users, why should we? It's their responsibility to protect themselves I do not see any "protection" on which you insist. Eventually, the user will have to decide to work with an other user or not. You're using quotes that you think you understand, but you really don't. Very reasoned remark. I thought we would have a friendly conversation here. Here's a simple solution: Remove Defaulttrust from your trust settings Done. and lock this thread. Because you said so? Sorry, but no. I'm not sure whether this is utopian-styled "we can educate everyone on the planet not to be naive", or dystopian-styled "throw everyone infront the bus, it's their responsibility" thinking. Whichever it is, it is wrong. It turns out you want to decide for the majority of users of this forum? Maybe we will not teach everyone. But I am sure, that we do not need centralization. But that is only my thoughts on this situation. Every active user of Bitcointalk must know about DT1, DefaultTrust and what is mean. That is my point. |
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А должен пользоваться? Удобный инструмент, думаю что да. большинство здесь баунтисты, то им он не очень то и нужен, уведомления на почту приходят итак и это позволяет не терять "актуальные" темы, в которых пишут ради баунти. Мда, а вот горькая правда. |
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Because the rate of new users getting scammed would be ridiculous otherwise. Why? Explain please. I think that this is a baseless statement. Example, I'm here since 06 December 2015, you are here since 17 April 2013 and you are in DT1. When I created an account, no one told me that you personally would protect me from scammers. Am I right? I even know that you are exist . If I were fooled by a scammer, only I would be responsible and I think it's right. So, why so many years I "trusted" you by default? ("You", in the context of DT1) That is nonsense that can't be applied to this. Sorry, I will repeat myself, why? Could you explain how you see this? I can. I never trust someone by default. I know that there are many good people on this forum, but still, by default I don't trust anyone. I will check everything by myself. At least, I need to do my own research. But, by default -- never. Who are you going to trade with, some random that never did paypal-to-btc or someone who has 100+ such succesful changes? Oh right, don't trust verify the 0-trade-newbie offering reversible methods of payment. <- shows how absurd your attempt is. I see your point, and the answer is -- the escrow. Yeah, "Who you can to trust if you do not trust anyone?", but still, if an escrow have a thread (not self-moderated) and there is a lot of feedbacks, so after checking these feedback and the account owners I will make my decision to work with that person or not. |
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EDIT. Here you can find some info about me --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5096740.msg49232976#msg49232976
My English is not the best, but I'll try to explain my thoughts. If I'm somewhere wrong, I will be grateful if you correct me. Disclaimer. I do not intend to offend anyone or to start a political / religious / clan dispute. I am a crypto enthusiast and user of this forum since 2015. I did not attach any importance to DT0... until yesterday evening. Several times before, I read about DT1 and what kind of war is going on around it, and how blood is shed in the form of a red trust, etc. I do not like any wars, and for myself I decided “not to stick in the trenches and not take anyone's side”. Wars have been going on for a long time, and I have no desire to waste my time to re-read tons of information in order to figure out who is right. So, the old-new system. If I understood correctly, the latest update from theymos should urge our community to take seriously the creation of its own DT0, to thereby help form a common DT1. To form your own DT0 is necessary solely on the basis of personal experience of being on the forum. The motivation is certainly good, and personally I will observe the overall situation. As far as I understand, after the registration of a new user, he is automatically “subscribed” to the Default Trust. But why? Let's imagine for a moment that we have some user (not a new multi-account for bounty or scammer) is registering on the forum who wants to learn something new about this wonderful, and at the same time cruel crypto-world, wants to buy BTC for 10-20 bucks in the equivalent of its local fiat currency. The question is, why this user have to be subscribed to DefaultTrust? Why a new user should “trust” unknown users from the first second of being on the forum? And what about one of the main principle? -- “Don’t trust. Verify.” Would not it be more logical that new users have been subscribed to satoshi? ( reference to: If you don't want to trust anyone, trust someone with an empty trust list (satoshi, for example) ) Well, suppose that our new user by default “does not believe anyone” (subscribed to satoshi), and he begins to live a forum life. And everything seems to be good for him, after a couple of months he found crypto friends on the forum, gained a certain reputation in a small community of people, etc. After some time on the forum, everyone finds a crypto-friend('s) for himself, or you just see that there are some community members who are trying to improve this forum with their answers / tips for newbies, helpful manuals / articles, etc., and you don’t must communicate with them. In order for our user to consciously and voluntarily join the forum’s system of trust, he first needs to explain what it is and why it is important both for him and for the entire community. The easiest way is to inform new users is the first message forum rules thread and thread about Merit. Usually these two threads have the most views. Also, not all local users know English, therefore translations (or own posts from active local users) are needed to inform local users about the trust system. I think some users will agree to translate threads about the trust system from English into their local languages. About the scammers ... they will be, as always. I think that they are already trying to find a cheat-code for the updated system. Do not be surprised if after a while we'll see the posts about selling/buying a place in someone's trust list. Also on the forum there is a large number of "dead" accounts, which most likely have a... DefaultTrust. I understand that this forum engine is old, and it is very difficult to do something to it, but I think it would be good to reset the trust list for all accounts that are “sleeping” for more than a year. And if such an account “wakes up”, then let it see it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;suggest or some other alternative. (It would be interesting to see the statistics of “awakened” accounts after such reset) Also, in theory, it will be seen who will try to cheat the system. For example, within a couple of minutes 10 accounts are registered, and immediately the same nickname appears in these 10 newbie accounts trust lists, or even a list of users, whom these 10 beginners begin to “trust”. These were my thoughts. Thanks for attention.
UPDATE. Links:
#MakeYourOwnDT0
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Вот что еще нашел: Это как варианты, с чего можно было бы склепать понятный и подробный инфо-пост для РУ-ветки, конечно ху из гуд ин инглиш. |
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@xenon131, спасибо за развернутый ответ.
Ну тогда имхо, не помешала бы закрепленная тема в разделе "Новички", или на главной странице русской ветки (согласуйте с модерами), с детальным описанием о важности изменения настроек траста после регистрации на форуме, и ссылками на посты @esmanthra и @xenon131.
Или же, чтобы не создавать еще одну тему, подправить эту (вместо челенджа). Решать вам.
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Что то бот не пользуется большой популярностью в форумчан...  |
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Кстати публиковать здесь свой свой список DT0 здесь совсем не обязательно. Может быть расценено как попытка манипуляции при создании DT0? |
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@xenon131, значит, как вариант можно удалить DefaultTrust из своего DT0. Если в списке DT1 есть юзеры, которые по мнению отдельного пользователя заслуживают уважения, то их можно отдельно закинуть в свой DT0.
Правильно ли я понимаю, что удалив DefaultTrust из своего DT0, пользователь как бы не признает всех "царей"?
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