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9481  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Prediction 2017 on: March 31, 2017, 03:02:47 AM
There are lots of predictions about bitcoin price in 2017.Rise in US interest rates,japan accepting bitcoin as payment method and a lot of global factors could create an increase in bitcoin price.Most of the experts predict that bitcoin's price would be $2000 by the end of 2017.
The rise in interest in US, do you consider it an advantage or disadvantage? Can that improve the value of bitcoin considering your $2000 predicted price by the end of the year

Bitcoin is not a direct part of the US economy. In fact it is not a direct part of any nation's economy, so any change in economic matter in a country will not directly affect the price of Bitcoin. Some people are overestimating how wide the usage of Bitcoin is. The truth is it does not matter. Bitcoin is a mere speck in the ocean for all the economies of the world combined. If Bitcoin reaches a $1T market cap that might change.
9482  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why you should buy bitcoins NOW on: March 31, 2017, 02:53:59 AM
The top line is that it is a winning strategy overall

If you sell your bitcoins today, you are likely set to lose tomorrow (by letting go a good chance to get rich really quick). On the other hand, if you buy bitcoins now, you will take an opportunity and use the FUD behind the BU split against BU itself and to your advantage by buying low. If the old Bitcoin fails, you will have the new Bitcoin in absolutely the same amount, if the new one fails, you will have the old one which thereby proves its strength, might and power. So getting rid of bitcoins would be a losing strategy while acquiring more is seemingly a winning one whatever way the events are going to unfold in the future. Just keep your bitcoins in your personal wallet so that no one could steal this opportunity from you

You do not think that Bitcoin might make another new low after this rise? You posted this on March 26 when Bitcoin was trading around $940 - $990 and has risen after that. But it is creating another lower high and it is getting ready to go down again if we follow the pattern for this month. It would be better to watch and wait in my opinion, or make low bids to be safe

You are confusing something here

As much as I discard technical analysis as a viable way for predicting and evaluating future price behavior, I still can't help noting that just one lower high after a few consecutive higher lows mid-to-long term (basically, 250-750-550-1100-750-1300-950) doesn't tell us anything. Strictly speaking, we haven't yet made a new lower high, since we barely touched the support level at 900 dollars per coin (i.e. the support there hasn't yet been broken), and right now we are mostly trading sideways. In fact, we may well yet make a new higher high in the coming weeks (that would be an ATH, obviously). Other than that, the price may go below 900 dollars (say, down to 600 dollars), but it just means that you may be buying up all the way down (personally, that's what I'm prepared to do myself)

If you discard technical analysis in evaluating the behavior of the price then what is your reason in suggesting that now is a good time to start buying Bitcoin? Is there a fundamental reason?

I have to admit you might be correct because the price have been stable for the past 3 or 4 days. But how do we know for sure it will not go down?
9483  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fuck: SegWit, LN, Blockstream, Core, Adam Back, and GMazwell on: March 31, 2017, 02:48:07 AM
Frankie, that wasn't my understanding of how LN works (not saying i'm right .cause im just
learning how this is all supposed to work...) but the point is: if Alice already has a channel
with Bob , I dont need to open a channel with Bob myself cause i can just go through Alice.


What am I missing, or why are we not on the same page here?



Yes. That is why it is important to only open payment channels with people that you trust. You would not want to be the person connecting payments with a criminal or a terrorist. You do not want the FBI knocking on your door. Hehe.
 

Well, there's 2 possibilities that I can envision right now (there may be more)

#1:) You have big companies, lets say Blockstream, that provides a 'blockstream' channel... so if I want to send a payment to Bob, and we both have a channel with Blockstream, we could do it through them.

#2:) You have some kind of smart wallet that automatically accepts third party requests on your behalf , and it handles all the details so you do not have to trust them, and if one of those third parties happens to be an unscrupulous character, well you can certain easily claim plausible deniability just as if some anonmymous person was downloading a torrent...all the wallet sees is an IP address.  Obviously we want to stay private, get more privacy, not less.

EDIT:  If we cannot describe exactly how scenario #2 is going to be implemented (and we can't describe another scenario), then the alternative is that you are going to be using a big company (like Blockstream) cough paypal2.0 cough and relying on them to transact.  so.... i am wondering how deeply people who are really excited about LN have thought this through and would like to hear others' thoughts.

I like your thinking about scenario #2. A 3rd party service or a "smart wallet" is a more convenient way for ordinary users to have an extra layer that does not directly connect anyone with questionable users of the system.

I know there is fear among the big blockers about it becoming like Paypal 2.0, but what if the system is a level playing field and an open one? I am sure Blockstream does not have a monopoly in setting up a payment hub service.
9484  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Prediction 2017 on: March 30, 2017, 02:50:50 AM
I think by this coming months bitcoin would be stable at price ranges 900$-1300$ and will move up and down between these price range. After that there will be two possible outcomes. It will either be a dump to below 900$ which is very likely to happen if there will be a news that will bring price down to that price. If not, The other possible outcome is a pump to above 1300$ which I think won't happen unless the debate between Bitcoin Unlimited and Segwit is resolved.

I have exactly the same sentiment as you. The scaling debate between Core and Bitcoin Unlimited could go on longer than we anticipate. This is not a problem that will be solved in 2 or 3 months, this problem might last more than a year in my opinion with the reluctance shown by the mining pools and miners in what implementation to support. In the mean time some group will keep spamming the network making confirmations take longer than usual.
9485  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why you should buy bitcoins NOW on: March 30, 2017, 02:42:19 AM
The top line is that it is a winning strategy overall

If you sell your bitcoins today, you are likely set to lose tomorrow (by letting go a good chance to get rich really quick). On the other hand, if you buy bitcoins now, you will take an opportunity and use the FUD behind the BU split against BU itself and to your advantage by buying low. If the old Bitcoin fails, you will have the new Bitcoin in absolutely the same amount, if the new one fails, you will have the old one which thereby proves its strength, might and power. So getting rid of bitcoins would be a losing strategy while acquiring more is seemingly a winning one whatever way the events are going to unfold in the future. Just keep your bitcoins in your personal wallet so that no one could steal this opportunity from you

You do not think that Bitcoin might make another new low after this rise? You posted this on March 26 when Bitcoin was trading around $940 - $990 and has risen after that. But it is creating another lower high and it is getting ready to go down again if we follow the pattern for this month. It would be better to watch and wait in my opinion, or make low bids to be safe.
9486  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fuck: SegWit, LN, Blockstream, Core, Adam Back, and GMazwell on: March 30, 2017, 02:34:19 AM
Frankie, that wasn't my understanding of how LN works (not saying i'm right .cause im just
learning how this is all supposed to work...) but the point is: if Alice already has a channel
with Bob , I dont need to open a channel with Bob myself cause i can just go through Alice.


What am I missing, or why are we not on the same page here?



Yes. That is why it is important to only open payment channels with people that you trust. You would not want to be the person connecting payments with a criminal or a terrorist. You do not want the FBI knocking on your door. Hehe.

A serious LN feature would be to make it anonymous. Another possibility I like is that it can become a bridge for other blockchains.
9487  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Starting a Telegram channel on Bitcoin trading on: March 30, 2017, 02:25:08 AM
OP, I would be interested in knowing how long have you been trading and what your ROI is, if you do not mind. We have seen a lot of wannabe traders here who only look for a following and some validation without any regard for the losses incurred by other people because of them.

If you are here because you think you can start a pump group, please stop.

Thank you for your questions. I didn't trade regularly, because earlier I did only long-term trades. But nevertheless, I have traded for 4 years already. I don't know whether you consider it important, but I bought some eth on the pre-sale to sell them at 20$ in November, I guess. Because I saw the potential in Ethereum. And the primary goal of my channel is not about trading, this is about my thoughts and ideas, including thoughts about trading and prices, speculation lol. For example, just a while ago I wrote a short note, why DASH could be a big deal. Check it out.

As a long-term investment, dash seems to be appropriate. Because if we want to use cryptocurrency(cc) in future to pay for commodities and goods, the means should be fast. Bitcoin transactions are long, 30 minutes. That's awful, nobody wants to stay at the cashier desk for 30 minutes! That's why dash or ethereum with instant transactions should be prevalent. But dash is only about money. Ethereum is also something else. I see it like this

Ok, if the purpose of the channel is to learn from each other then it is a good thing. But if it is to shill altcoins then people should avoid it, especially newbies. They are already confused enough.

Like your recommendation for Dash, that altcoin is a known scam because of the secret instamine.

A known scam wouldn't become the third cryptocurrency. Or it could, if it was in months, but DASH has been there for three years. I like when people in crypto community just make their suggestions about scams, based on nothing Smiley

That is where you are wrong. It really can because the market can be manipulated especially a market that is small like Dash. Just because a coin is reaching the 3rd spot in Coinmarketcap does not mean it is not a scam. This is where the naive newbies lose their money and become trolls in the forum.
9488  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: hypothesis: BU motivations (NO PROOF) on: March 30, 2017, 02:21:15 AM
It's obvious tactic of BTU shills to sow some discord and doubt and escalate FUD   Sad

are you talking about OP or me?

I do not think he is talking about you or singling you out. It is more about the Bitcoin Unlimited argument in general. Some big blockers take the issue away from the technicals and take it to the "Blockstream is evil". You have to admit that blatant misinformation drives are going on from both sides.

look, divide and conquer is the oldest scheme in the book and could very well be going on.

But a lot of times one of the groups being conquered really did nothing wrong and is
being attacked and another group are useful idiots who are doing the attacking.  Think about it.



I believe that there is another unknown group trying to divide us. Whether that group is behind Core or Bitcoin Unlimited or both making them fight each other, I do not know. But whoever they are they are trying to wreck Bitcoin.

As a community why not reject both Core and BU and let us start thinking for ourselves.

Absolutely.

Blockstream is the most obvious culprit here...but its possible BU is controlled opposition.

I always liked the idea of just removing the blocksize limit:  Keep in mind that when Satoshi
put in the 1mb, the average block size was 1kb... yep 1000 times smaller.

At this point, I'd be happy as a peach if everyone just got behind a hardfork to 32mb or 8mb.


That does not compute. I have just read that the 1MB maxblocksize was added as an anti spam measure. We all know that the flooding of the mempool is because some group is spamming the network, so if we hard fork to an 32MB maxblocksize and some other group is not happy and decide to spam the network that will lead to more blockchain bloat.
9489  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is BU an attack on Bitcoin? on: March 30, 2017, 02:14:01 AM
I read that Satoshi wanted onchain scaling while Hal Finney wanted offchain. Is that accurate?

No. Hal convinced Satoshi to add a 1MB maxblocksize limit as an anti-spam measure. This in an era where most blocks were less than 1KB in size (1000x smaller than the limit), and most transactions carried no transaction fee.


Ok thanks for the clarification. But let me ask you, in this era of the 1MB maxblocksize, how much of today's average transactions per block is spam? I am looking at the mempool transaction count graph right now and it is hard to believe that the spikes are all real transactions.

https://blockchain.info/charts/mempool-count
9490  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Starting a Telegram channel on Bitcoin trading on: March 29, 2017, 04:30:38 AM
OP, I would be interested in knowing how long have you been trading and what your ROI is, if you do not mind. We have seen a lot of wannabe traders here who only look for a following and some validation without any regard for the losses incurred by other people because of them.

If you are here because you think you can start a pump group, please stop.

Thank you for your questions. I didn't trade regularly, because earlier I did only long-term trades. But nevertheless, I have traded for 4 years already. I don't know whether you consider it important, but I bought some eth on the pre-sale to sell them at 20$ in November, I guess. Because I saw the potential in Ethereum. And the primary goal of my channel is not about trading, this is about my thoughts and ideas, including thoughts about trading and prices, speculation lol. For example, just a while ago I wrote a short note, why DASH could be a big deal. Check it out.

As a long-term investment, dash seems to be appropriate. Because if we want to use cryptocurrency(cc) in future to pay for commodities and goods, the means should be fast. Bitcoin transactions are long, 30 minutes. That's awful, nobody wants to stay at the cashier desk for 30 minutes! That's why dash or ethereum with instant transactions should be prevalent. But dash is only about money. Ethereum is also something else. I see it like this

Ok, if the purpose of the channel is to learn from each other then it is a good thing. But if it is to shill altcoins then people should avoid it, especially newbies. They are already confused enough.

Like your recommendation for Dash, that altcoin is a known scam because of the secret instamine.
9491  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BUgcoin strikes back on: March 29, 2017, 04:27:47 AM
I do not think franky1 and jonald_fyookball supports Bitcoin Unlimited only because of onchain capacity increases, they support it because they think it is a good idea to let the miners decide how large or how small the block sizes are. They want to take away the decision making from the Core developers because they believe the developers are corrupt.


Well, that's a whole load of wrong "thinking" they're doing (and I don't believe it. That's what jonald & trolls say, but they can only be thinking something completely different)

Maybe but from their perspective it is not. History will be the judge of who is right and wrong. If Bitcoin Unlimited "wins" then we who support Segwit are wrong.


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The devs cannot decide the blocksize without taking the users with them, it's that simple. External devs have tried to convince users to accept 2MB blocksize increases twice (XT & Classic), and no-one followed them. That demonstrates that the users are ultimately in charge, whatever the devs propose.

For the Bitcoin Unlimited supporters that is not enough. They want the miners to independently decide how big or small the blocks are without having the developers involved. That for them is the correct long term solution.
9492  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is BU an attack on Bitcoin? on: March 29, 2017, 03:22:48 AM
BU is not an attack on Bitcoin, it is an attack on the Core developers and an attempt to fork it all away from them. The article was written from a big blocker's perspective and it is a very biased one at that. Read the part "dissenters". The dissenters would depend on which side you are asking.

So be very careful and try to think for yourself and always listen to both sides of the argument.

I admire your objectivity in this whole thing.  Most people (including myself) tend to get polarized to a position and then start to look for evidence to support their position while ignoring/denying evidence to the contrary.



Thank you. I also tend to get polarized too sometimes. But as an investor who is gambling most of his life savings in Bitcoin, I have to be objective and know when to go out of the investment. Now Ethereum Classic is looking more attractive to park some Bitcoins in while all this drama unfolds. It is not a good time to be a Bitcoiner right now.

BU is not an attack on Bitcoin, it is an attack on the Core developers and an attempt to fork it all away from them.

BU is not an attack on core devs, so much as it is an end-around of the braindead policy of not doing a simple increase to maxblocksize. Last year even. Core devs get to set their own policy. But core is not the entirety of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is permissionless. BU has exactly as much authority as does core. Core devs can also be left bereft when the majority decides bigger blocks are what is needed now.

In the end, the market will determine the direction Bitcoin turns - toward core, BU, another, or on the path of status quo.

Maybe I did not post that right. I do not mean a direct attack on Core but an attack on its philosophy on how to scale the network. I read the problem can be traced back to Satoshi and Hal Finney. I read that Satoshi wanted onchain scaling while Hal Finney wanted offchain. Is that accurate?
9493  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: hypothesis: BU motivations (NO PROOF) on: March 29, 2017, 03:05:37 AM
It's obvious tactic of BTU shills to sow some discord and doubt and escalate FUD   Sad

are you talking about OP or me?

I do not think he is talking about you or singling you out. It is more about the Bitcoin Unlimited argument in general. Some big blockers take the issue away from the technicals and take it to the "Blockstream is evil". You have to admit that blatant misinformation drives are going on from both sides.

look, divide and conquer is the oldest scheme in the book and could very well be going on.

But a lot of times one of the groups being conquered really did nothing wrong and is
being attacked and another group are useful idiots who are doing the attacking.  Think about it.



I believe that there is another unknown group trying to divide us. Whether that group is behind Core or Bitcoin Unlimited or both making them fight each other, I do not know. But whoever they are they are trying to wreck Bitcoin.

As a community why not reject both Core and BU and let us start thinking for ourselves.
9494  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Starting a Telegram channel on Bitcoin trading on: March 28, 2017, 04:20:07 AM
OP, I would be interested in knowing how long have you been trading and what your ROI is, if you do not mind. We have seen a lot of wannabe traders here who only look for a following and some validation without any regard for the losses incurred by other people because of them.

If you are here because you think you can start a pump group, please stop.
9495  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: is BU an attack on Bitcoin? on: March 28, 2017, 04:13:14 AM
BU is not an attack on Bitcoin, it is an attack on the Core developers and an attempt to fork it all away from them. The article was written from a big blocker's perspective and it is a very biased one at that. Read the part "dissenters". The dissenters would depend on which side you are asking.

So be very careful and try to think for yourself and always listen to both sides of the argument.
9496  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: hypothesis: BU motivations (NO PROOF) on: March 28, 2017, 04:05:45 AM
It's obvious tactic of BTU shills to sow some discord and doubt and escalate FUD   Sad

are you talking about OP or me?

I do not think he is talking about you or singling you out. It is more about the Bitcoin Unlimited argument in general. Some big blockers take the issue away from the technicals and take it to the "Blockstream is evil". You have to admit that blatant misinformation drives are going on from both sides.
9497  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BUgcoin strikes back on: March 28, 2017, 03:04:29 AM
Don't put words in my mouth, you brainless pratt.

Calm down jonald, we know your dream is dead and all, but there's no need to lash out at people telling you facts you wished were not true


I support on chain scaling.  There can be a variety of implementations supporting
bigger blocks.

You do not support on-chain scaling, you support on-chain capacity increases.

And because you think and behave as if blocksize increases are the only method of improving transaction capacity that exist, your views on the matter are null and void. You're blinkered, you are compulsive-obsessive about the blocksize, and nothing else.
 

Enjoy defending Blockstream controlled core that doesn't give a shit about you.

And I suppose BU's attitude of "attack the BTC chain till it's face is in the dirt" demonstrates how much they value free and open competition, or how much they care?

I do not think franky1 and jonald_fyookball supports Bitcoin Unlimited only because of onchain capacity increases, they support it because they think it is a good idea to let the miners decide how large or how small the block sizes are. They want to take away the decision making from the Core developers because they believe the developers are corrupt.
9498  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Chinese Central Bank Requiring Extreme Customer Verifications at Exchanges on: March 28, 2017, 02:58:23 AM
I do not think we will see a $350 per Bitcoin scenario. Not unless the network breaks because of a hard fork or some serious technical flaw if the Core developers decides to do the POW upgrade. There is too much at stake already. The whales involved will be the same ones who will save Bitcoin's price and not allow it to fall that low.
9499  Economy / Speculation / Re: After Panic Sellers get their fix, China will buy up the Cheap coins on: March 28, 2017, 02:52:54 AM
Looks like some cute whales are trying push the price back in triple digits lol. Get them boys!

nah, my guess is that this "resistance" around $1000 is just a mentality thing with this particular price. it has been like this before too in a smaller scale. people find it a good target to sell at because it is a round number in USD market.

It went over $1000 just a few hours ago but then I believe it will go back down once the sellers and short sellers start acting again in the market. We have not seen the bottom of this yet I believe. This could go on for 2 or 3 months. In the mean time find more fiat to throw into Bitcoin and but at the bottom.
9500  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Chinese Central Bank Requiring Extreme Customer Verifications at Exchanges on: March 27, 2017, 04:37:58 AM
https://news.bitcoin.com/chinese-central-bank-requiring-extreme-customer-verifications-at-exchanges/

I know we're talked about endless rumors and fake news of China "banning" bitcoin, but short of an absolute ban this sort of thing looks like a step in the direction we have long feared they would take. A big step.

The PBoC is apparently requiring every customer to write out how they got their bitcoin, among other things, such as explaining why they are withdrawing whenever they want to convert to fiat. Very, very intrusive stuff. The question is, how will Chinese buyers respond? Is this just business as usual when dealing with their government, or is this the sort of thing that will dry up the Chinese market for bitcoin? Or something in between?
PBOC just wants to stop its country's wealth being transformed via bitcoins to abroad.For that reason,they are asking customer verification at bitcoin exchanges.Let them do whatever they want.If the chinese gamblers and miners leave out of bitcoin community,it would be better for the bitcoin progress as a whole.

Besides trading where do you think Bitcoin derives its value from? The Bitcoin economy is primarily comprised of the participants of the dark markets, gamblers, money launderers and other criminal enterprises. Cut them out of the whole thing and we have a useless cryptocurrency just like the altcoins.

What evidence do you have as to their preponderance?

I read an article about the increasing rate of growth of the dark markets from the Deepdotweb website I think. I will try to remember and I will look for the article then post it here.

I want to see how much growth Bitcoin has that is used in buying legal items. Can you give me that information?

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I agree with the sentiment that bitcoin is being held back by criminals who use it. But I expect they are a minority, particularly from an economic standpoint. A thousand two-bit scammers don't possess the economic clout of a Barry Silbert or Cesare Wences (sp?), or the small army of geeks and libertarians that first embraced and continue to embrace bitcoin.

I go back to the argument that Bitcoin is a decentralized, censorship resistant value transfer system. This is the perfect playground for criminals. I do not think it is being held back by the criminals but what it is doing is bring criminality leaping forward.
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