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9561  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN WILL DIE... look out for BTC 2.0 on: February 13, 2014, 04:04:39 AM
i'm still waiting for bitcoin 1.0
9562  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 13, 2014, 02:36:24 AM
So is the general consensus that Gox is insolvent and fiat obligations will be more likely honored than BTC obligations?  Or are Goxers simply speculating that the price will go lower?

lol probably

but the funny thing is, they probably have the bitcoin

stamps and btc-e where both affected as well; this leads me to believe MtGox didn't stop the BTC withdrawal just because they don't have the funds... they are probably telling mostly the truth

so when they fix up the mess and BTC withdrawal are brought back online

suddenly everyone is holding fiat and the only way out is BTC



and if that happens

who's going to be crazy enough to sell BTC for GOX bucks when they can get 23% more real dollars with stamps


all the bears are gonna be like:



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9563  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 13, 2014, 02:24:43 AM
So is the general consensus that Gox is insolvent and fiat obligations will be more likely honored than BTC obligations?  Or are Goxers simply speculating that the price will go lower?

lol probably

but the funny thing is, they probably have the bitcoin

stamps and btc-e where both affected as well; this leads me to believe MtGox didn't stop the BTC withdrawal just because they don't have the funds... they are probably telling mostly the truth

so when they fix up the mess and BTC withdrawal are brought back online

suddenly everyone is holding fiat and the only way out is BTC

9564  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 13, 2014, 02:14:17 AM
It seems like people are now able to withdraw BTC from both Bitstamp and Btc-e, multiple posters now confirming that they have done so.

Is this officially confirmed now?

i haven't heard anything

you'd think stamps would write up an update.... maybe tomorrow they will make it official?
9565  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 13, 2014, 02:12:23 AM
Wow gox almost under 500  Shocked
lol
thats 23% lower than stamps.

market is now saying there's a 23% chance gox will never send out another bitcoin.
9566  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 13, 2014, 02:00:37 AM
Poor Mt.Gox, close to its low again.

i hadn't looked at the gox chart in a while, my god does it ever look ugly
9567  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 13, 2014, 01:17:30 AM
CasinoBitco.in (CBTC)  on haveloack just took one hell of a hit
time is now!
buy buy buy
 Grin
9568  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 12, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
Anybody watched this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ziqOxLNfOc

He claims to have worked on Internet currencies for twenty years and with Tim Berners-Lee.

To sum up he says

Myth 1 Bitcoin is inevitable

Myth 2 Bitcoin is anonymous

Myth 3 Bitcoin is "government proof"

Myth 4 Bitcoin is legal

Myth 5 Volatility does not matter

jesus...

Myth 1 Bitcoin is inevitable = Give that man a medal!

Myth 2 Bitcoin is anonymous = Really I could have sworn that it was, a 20 year old told me so, and of course I listen to everything that a 20yr old tells me, and they are the only ones that know about Bitcoin

Myth 3 Bitcoin is "government proof" = Does it need to be? let's wait and see on that one. (that discussion coudl go on for days!)

Myth 4 Bitcoin is legal = Bitcoin is not illegal, at least not anywhere where people are "free"  Let's wait and see on this one too.
 
Myth 5 Volatility does not matter = Nor does it matter much yet, and if Bitcoin does manage to stay around and grow, then the volatility will go down... again, looking at things as they stand today, without taking into account how things will change as it grows, if it does manage to stay around.. but then in the same breath tells us that if Bitcoin grows it will use as much energy as Germany, so he accepts that it could grow, and that it will (in his model) use all this energy, but does not accept that growth would also have meant government acceptance and clear legislation, nor that an increase in adoption and therefore volume and the advent of more established exchanges would provide greater liquidity and therefore less volatility

 
"when I talk to Bitcoin supporters , when I ask questions I do not get answers I get "why are you asking questions, why are you being so negative"
"when I talk to these 20 years olds who are into Bitcoin"

Maybe he is asking the wrong people? I wonder where he takes advice on his love life from..

I do not even know any Bitcoiners in their 20's tbh none at all, they are all 35 +

Also I do not think that having a currency that "bypasses" government means that all government should or needs to be removed, that is bad logic.. you can have a government and a crypto currency that is not linked to the government, and still have a government, they are two different things..  So it is the intentional dishonesty and simple logic mistakes that he displays in this and other arguments that makes me doubt everything that he says...

According to this guy, the only people that have confidence in Bitcoin are 20 years old, and that not one of them would listen to any cogent argument and he has spoken to all of them.  

I wonder if he was in a room person to person with all of us lot, if he would have the same kind of style to his communication, or if he would talk like a normal person, rather than like he is talking down to a room full of stupids.

For a guy with so much smarts... he makes a lot of simplifications and mistakes... blindly so... maybe he is smart enough to understand, but maybe he has to much emotional baggage, he seems to be very caught up in the past.

Bitcoin will be using as much power as Germany... based on? and I imagine projected into a future where nothing changes apart from the electricity used but everything else is based on today's(or even yesterdays) stats?  I wonder how long this guy thought it would take to decode the human genome after 3 years in, things change.

Also when was the last time we had a "good government" doing "good things" that did give this guy feeling of warm fuzziness?

No real surprise that he sees no reason why we should change the banking system or the way government works...  "I went to oxford and studied
computer science"  blah blah .. yup Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Yale , much much good has come from these places no doubt...lots of very smart good decent down to earth intelligent great people, but also pretty much every douche bag that works for Goldman,Morgan, FED etc etc came from those same places too... most of them born with a silver spoon in their mouths and most of them (not all) are totally clueless about the world outside of their little isolated circle - and are the LAST people I would listen to when they try to tell me "what the rest of the population thinks too"  and which population does he mean? is he speaking for the population of Iceland, Cyprus, or even the population of Russia, China, India,  I think he is speaking for his rather small "population" and I do not even mean a country.

Going to carry on listening to see if he has any good points for sure... but already I dislike his style

Ok just got to him "debunking"  "Bitcoin is anonymous"  ffs...  I am struggling not to press stop at this point...  

And now "we do not know Satoshi is" how can we trust Bitcoin?  

omg...  yeah that degree at oxford did not do this guy much good in the common sense department.

Now the guy is saying that Bitcoin is a brilliant bit of tech, just not defo 100% the future-  the first sensible thing he has said
oh and that the international payment system is a joke... another hit for the guy.

Now talking about e-gold - this guy is showing he is out of the loop... maybe he should have a chat with Ben Lawsky..
Bitcoin is not e-gold... and we are not back then... we are here now in 2014 and things have changed, we have moved on from e-gold in so so many ways...both the tech, the system, the current political and legal attitude and environment,  something that this guy seems to ignore.. and again and again he is very very selective with his arguments... and clearly 100% entrenched in his way of thinking ... I think he will die with the same idea and beliefs he has today.

God now he is talking about how great the USD is , and because it is backed by the government... not one mention , not one about the huge debt, the dwindling purchasing power of the USD, the fact that the whole world is gently playing pass the parcel with USD, that more and more countries are trying to get away from and have less and less trust in the usd petro dollar. Not one mention about how actually Bitcoin and USD could live side by side, nope, in his world it is one or the other, a 20 year old told him so.. By the way I am not bashing the USD but claiming all is fine in the USD world is as false as claiming Bitcoin is 1000% inevitable

Nitro ice cream..and child porn ... and from there to Mt Gox... and from there onto Bitcoin would not survive if Mt Gox goes down.

meh... I am going to struggle through part two and see what else he has to say.... but thus far for a man with all of these supposed smarts
he has not actually said anything very enlightening or new, or actually that smart..in fact either by mistake or not he makes some very glaring over simplifications, if not outright BS, he speaks well, and is obviously a smart guy, but is also a little bit of a dinosaur (or maybe has an agenda)
which is a bit of a surprise...


this video...

10 seconds in, I realized it was about this guys Fear Uncertainty and Doubts (FUD!) surrounding bitcoin and i closed it.

i've heard it all b4, and any and all these arguments are easily dismissed...

the truth is we have a system here we can all agree on.

I myself only really learned about exactly how the most widely used system "FAIT" truly works AFTER learning about how the bitcoin system works

I find the FIAT system completely ridiculous compared with to Bitcoin system.

theres nothing this guy can say to change that.

Bitcoin is evaluation, its a force of nature, its unstoppable.

sure they can suppress it, drive it underground, and what not, but the truth will resonate, and the truth is, bitcoin is better in every way.

if only poeple could truly understand the simplicity of the bitcoin system, ( at its core bitcoin protocol is quite simple.... ) they would understand the huge leap forward Bitcoin represents


someone asked me once " ya i heard about it, but i don't understand what the point is? "

the point is extremely simple....

money is just a system with rules which we all agree on, and choose to collectively believe the imaginary units in this system have value, and now, I no longer agree to believe in a system the majority blindly believes, and thanks to bitcoin i don't have to.
9569  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 12, 2014, 03:07:03 PM
LOL

*buys more bitcoin*

 Wink
9570  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 12, 2014, 05:52:31 AM


Ok I'll stop sorry bfx guys please fix your site.
9571  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: February 12, 2014, 04:25:27 AM

lol. nice.
9572  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 12, 2014, 03:05:15 AM
Just checkin' back...I can see form the prices there's been another panic and bounce.

Can anyone give me a brief precis (I tried reading the 30+ pages but all I can get is DDOS and wothrawal issues)....can anyone expand or is that the gist?  Grin

there was no DOS, i proved that by sending 1mBTC to three poeple in the mist of the "DOS" all three TX got confirmed in a timely manner.

Thanks for the clarification.

I sent some from Stamp about 18hours ago whihc arrived even though the "issues' were being reported then....it seems very ad hoc these problems

only SOME of the TX coming from exchanges were affected.

they have since stopped all BTC withdrawals until they can be sure it is 100% reliable

https://www.bitstamp.net/article/bitcoin-withdraws-suspended/
9573  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 12, 2014, 02:59:51 AM
3000 BTC buy order on btce.

watching.

http://bitcoinity.org/markets/btce/USD

and its gone....
9574  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 12, 2014, 02:56:53 AM
Just checkin' back...I can see form the prices there's been another panic and bounce.

Can anyone give me a brief precis (I tried reading the 30+ pages but all I can get is DDOS and wothrawal issues)....can anyone expand or is that the gist?  Grin

there was no DOS, i proved that by sending 1mBTC to three poeple in the mist of the "DOS" all three TX got confirmed in a timely manner.
9575  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 12, 2014, 01:19:28 AM
I found this kinda funny, so i will share.

Adam:  soooo..... Bitcoin is crashing pretty hard these days its been a shit storm of bad news
Inlaw:  you cashed some out right!?!
Adam:  well yes... and i'm buying back
Inlaw:  everyone thinks its going to crash and you're buying more?!?!?!?!
Adam:  thats the best time to buy!
Inlaw:  so you think it will go back to 1000$ ?
Adam:  ..... i think its going to 10K +
Inlaw:  your crazy!!

I take it as a compliment, and I smile and nod.

poeple just don't understand what is happening here...

in other news; i love this video.

 Wink
9576  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 11, 2014, 10:32:20 PM
Wut is this?  Shocked



bug, from some reason your getting data from the future.
9577  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 11, 2014, 08:51:13 PM
poeple are going to get home from work soon...

prepare for glory!
9578  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 11, 2014, 07:14:57 PM
there so much FUD right now, and alot of poeple come here to understand what is happening, so i feel compelled to point this out:



Amazing, a double spend was detected and stopped. I jizzed my pants  Shocked


as you can clearly see the bitcoin network is working just fine, despite what some would have you believe

the problem lies in the custom built wallet software exchanges implemented.

attacker(s) are, unsuccessfully, trying to fool these exchange into thinking tx are not occurring when they really are

bitcoin dev are working to resolve this problem by working with exchanges, miners, and also thinking about possible protocol updates to completely remove all possibility of future attacks.

now look back and see who has been spreading FUD, and click ignore.
9579  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 11, 2014, 06:34:11 PM
ok i sent 0.001BTC to the first 3 address posted.


lets see what happens.

https://blockchain.info/address/1ArSzUXWwtroKzVgEXQHrPSvhDALhF5e54
https://blockchain.info/address/1F93htFyaPmh5E5s2eHd6ptTyEEUsU1Fu7
https://blockchain.info/address/1CzYe2syUMwHwQhaCpcu8yc1psQDvb7cMr

yup everything is working fine.

back to the moon.
9580  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 11, 2014, 06:20:42 PM
let see how badly this is effecting the network as a whole.
who wants a buck?
post your address below
1F93htFyaPmh5E5s2eHd6ptTyEEUsU1Fu7

confirmed BTC is really working...

743af2e3c4e29cc29cb642ac1cc93c876193a06e9f9cdb86b952ca65c25f1ec8

But now I have to tamper with that txid so it looks like it isn't... Smiley

that wont work the Blockchina is not effected by this BS. only exchanges with custom wallet software can be fooled into thinking the tx didnt happen, which will soon be solved....
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