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9661  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: December 10, 2015, 02:39:32 PM
...Unfortunately, and you too will experience this if you can get past your will against thought, the deeper down that particular rabbit hole you go, the more you find the untruths. I've never said that I can prove or disprove the God Concept itself. Disproving Christianity, and pretty much any other formal religion, that is frankly a High School philosophy project. It's not even difficult. One cannot, of course, overcome willful cognitive dissonance, but it must make you uncomfortable, no? ...

I see this matter quite differently, as being a question whether the universe is poor in intelligence and consciousness (say only man and god) or rich in such attributes (basically, smarts everywhere, way beyond us).

The first concept has resembles pre-Copernican astronautical concepts more than anything else, yet all religions were formed on this level of understanding.

The second solves a number of difficult questions quite nicely.  For example, the matter of "original causation."
9662  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump faces backlash from both parties after call to bar Muslims entering US on: December 10, 2015, 02:44:16 AM
I don't know why the media is selectively targeting Trump. The other politicians have said far worse. Remember the speech by John McCain, when he claimed that the father of Chelsea Clinton is Janet Reno? It's not like I completely ignore the possibility of Janet Reno being Chelsea's father, but why was the media silent back then?

The answer as to "the media" is groupthink.

The answer as to targeting of Trump is money.  Things he would do would destroy many lucrative Washington deals that benefit both parties.
9663  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump says what everyone is thinking, demands ban on Muslim immigration on: December 10, 2015, 02:40:14 AM
there is nothing un american about denying entry to barbarians who adhere to a supremacist totalitarian ideology and would overthrow your system in a heartbeat if they could......

You mean like Jimmy Carter, Democratic President denied entry to Iranians?
9664  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: December 10, 2015, 02:35:06 AM
My beliefs on gun control
1. Gun control is needed to maintain order in society.
2. We need to make it impossible for people with a criminal record or a mental illness to be able to get a gun.
3. We need to attach a unique tag to the bullets. This does not happen contrary to peoples beliefs. In the US only guns made after 2005 have a traceable bullet tag embedded within.

1.  With "order" not defined or quantified, the sentence has no meaning.
2.  Cannot be done.  Existing law mandates this, but end runs around the law are possible.  Criminals don't get guns legally, duh....
3.  I don't know why we would want a unique tag n bullets.  No, people do not believe that currently exists.  And no, guns made after 2005 do not have a traceable bullet tags embedded.

What does this mean?  Every one of your beliefs is wrong?
9665  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump faces backlash from both parties after call to bar Muslims entering US on: December 10, 2015, 02:26:59 AM
‘This Will Be The End Of Trump’s Campaign,’ Says Increasingly Nervous Man For Seventh Time This Year




SALISBURY, MD—Repeating identical comments he had made in June, July, August, September, and twice in November, increasingly nervous local man Aaron Howe responded to Donald Trump’s call to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. Monday by once again stating this would be the end of the Republican frontrunner’s campaign, sources confirmed. “Well, that’s it—you just can’t say those kinds of things and expect to be taken seriously any longer,” said an anxious Howe, his voice quavering slightly as he spoke aloud the very same words he had previously uttered in reaction to remarks about Mexicans, women, the disabled, former POW John McCain, and a number of other targeted parties. “That’s the final nail in the coffin right there. There’s no way he’s coming back from this one.” At press time, a visibly tense Howe was steadily amassing the angst and exasperation that would be unleashed in his seventh expletive-filled exclamation of the year when he catches sight of the newest set of GOP poll numbers.
I say, I say, Onion!
9666  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fox News Wants Your Kids to Charge at Active Shooters on: December 09, 2015, 04:27:02 PM
Just make sure your kid is armed to the hilt.   Smiley
I'm not opposed to that.  But I'm probably a minority voice....

On the issue of "rushing the bad guy,"  given the attitude of school teachers and administrators, why is it I feel certain they would be cowering in the back, while urging on the kids on the front lines?
9667  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump says what everyone is thinking, demands ban on Muslim immigration on: December 09, 2015, 04:24:11 PM
Very interesting charts.  I am surprised at the low support for ISIS among the countries cited.  By the way, do you have a link for these charts?

Don't get fooled by the numbers. Most of those who said "Don't know", and many of those who said that they don't support ISIS are secret Islamic State sympathizers. The survey was conducted by a Western agency, and I am sure that some of the respondents hid their jihadi sympathies from the survey-takers. And here is the link:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

That is why links are required, to assess various aspects of such surveys and their methodology.
9668  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Most Americans Say Send Ground Troops to Fight ISIS on: December 09, 2015, 04:22:19 PM
Is this true?
Americans never committed this mistake again, (they done in Afghanistan and Iraq earlier). Americans will never send their troops without the help of other nations, and this problem will never resolved without the will of Syria, and Russia is on the back of Syria, so in these situation how can Americans even think about to send their troops with the fight against ISIS....

My opinion is that the USA is on the wrong side, and should be fighting with Russia against ISIS.
9669  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Most Americans Say Send Ground Troops to Fight ISIS on: December 09, 2015, 04:20:05 PM
All those countries allowed then on the name of mankind and on the sake of humanity, i think they should scooternized the migrant’s papers and allow them in their after full checking.

There is no way to scrutinize their papers and passports. The Syrian population registry is no longer functioning and many of the passport offices in the opposition held ares are dishing out passports with fake data at a rate of hundreds per day. Most of the Pakistani and Afghan immigrants are buying these passports for less than $1,000 apiece, and there is no way to prevent this practice.

Doesn't matter.  Presentation of a false passport is criminal, and certainly grounds to deny entry.  Presentation of no passport or little or no verifiable data is grounds to deny entry.

And that's the way it should be.
9670  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Fox News Wants Your Kids to Charge at Active Shooters on: December 09, 2015, 02:58:32 PM
Fox News Wants Your Kids to Charge at Active Shooters
 According to Fox & Friends, Little Johnny needs to stand his goddamn ground.

In a segment earlier today, Elizabeth Hasselbeck brought on two martial arts instructors who have apparently been busy teaching children the art of running at active shooters.
heroism doesnt work in the real world, what kids should be taught when confronted is to run the fuck away; without at least military level hand to hand combat training youre more than likely to die against anything as dangerous as a knife.

I can't decide if this is completely irresponsible or just plain stupid. Although we should teach people to be ready to fight for their lives, if it is necessary, I don't think this is the way to teach our young ones. If we want them to stay alive that is.
fight or flight is a basic instinct, and fox is trying to teach these kids that flight shouldnt be considered; theyre telling kids to run to their deaths.

then again, anyone with a quarter of a brain should know that fox is a joke of a station.

Standard military training is that an engagement distance of less than twenty feet, a gun is equal, not superior, to a knife.    Granted this is military (or martial arts) training, but there are numerous cases where a gunman has been swarmed by his supposed victims.

There are also numerous cases where a gunman has been presented with a large number of nice, cowardly targets to take shots at.
9671  Other / Politics & Society / Re: SJW's/PC's on Christianity and Islam on: December 09, 2015, 02:54:12 PM
Don't you find it funny to see the reactions of those useful idiots to when Christians, unlikely to go on physical violence against them, say something awkward and when Muslims, much likely to engage violence when facing criticism, do the same?
They jump on the "easy target", Christianity, like wolves, and act like puppies to Islam. Promptly jumping on 1000+ excuses for Muslims behavior and speech in order to hide their own cowardice.

Sharia be unto them.
9672  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Another technology poised to change the world: the O-Cube on: December 09, 2015, 02:52:56 PM
....

"Steorn's Orbo power cell products are now available for sale:....

Now that is totally stupid.
9673  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donald Trump urges ban on Muslims coming to US on: December 09, 2015, 02:49:10 PM
This starts economically, and in particular it means getting independanet of foreign oil.  Thanks to the US Fracking industry to get that accomplished, after the Democratic party in the pockets of the Saudis over four decades destroyed the ability of the US to be energy independent through nuclear power.

Fracking is a very expensive process, and with the crude oil prices dipping below the $40 per barrel mark, not many of the American oil producers will be able to survive. In the past 6 months or so, the American crude output has declined by almost 5%. Nuclear energy is a good alternative, but trucks and cars can't run on electricity. They need gasoline. 

Wrong.  The oil fields around here and many other places in the USA are complete, so the only job is to pull the oil out.  What will happen is the ground leases will be renegotiated, and production will continue.  Exploration and drilling of new wells needs higher prices, yes.

The oil business has ALWAYS been cyclical.  Everyone here knows that.
9674  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump says what everyone is thinking, demands ban on Muslim immigration on: December 09, 2015, 02:45:19 PM
I think your interpretation is too simplistic. Regardless of what you think of muslims, don't you think that divisive attitudes like this could increase radicalisation in muslim communities, along with sympathy for what the terrorists want?

I'm not saying that the terrorists are right or anything, but it seems very short-sighted to want to ban 1.6 billion people from your country because of the actions of a few thousand. I would expect the 1.599 billion who don't want to blow you up wouldn't agree, and some of them might actually decide they do want to blow you up now, for being a dick (not you personally, the West).

Blanket bans tend to have many unforeseen consequences, just look at the drug war. I don't think things are as black & white as you believe.
what the terrorists want is to conquer our countries "by the wombs of their women" and enslave us. these guys aren't eta, the ira or kla who had territorial or civil rights demands and could be negotiated with.

will it make them dislike us more? possibly, but since we'd be doing our best to keep them out instead of importing millions of them every year, what they think of us from their own countries shouldn't cause us any majors problem

time we all faced the reality that their beliefs are incompatible with ours. we believe in the rule of law and they believe sovereignty belongs to their god. and we aren't talking about 0.1%. most muslims believe in the death penalty for adultery and apostasy and about two fifths believe sharia should apply to non muslims. and if polls are to believed at least 100 million of them support isis. importing millions of savages into your country and giving them free shit so they can breed like rats and outnumber you within 50 years is a stupid idea.





Very interesting charts.  I am surprised at the low support for ISIS among the countries cited.  By the way, do you have a link for these charts?
9675  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: December 09, 2015, 02:42:17 PM
I don't think the people hate Islam. I think people is scared of Islamic Extremists and Jihadists.

It is true. But in the extremists and terrorists do not follow the true Islam, they are followers of the extreme cutting it flows. Therefore, these people are harming the true Islam.
Not "harming the true Islam," simply intended and acting to take it over.

Your new Islamic Overlords of the Caliphate will soon tell you what weapon to take to the Holy battlefield, and you will say goodbye to your family.

9676  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Most Americans Say Send Ground Troops to Fight ISIS on: December 09, 2015, 02:49:22 AM
Fuck ground troops, send killer robots with lasers and tactical nukes and shit.

If the west is to be the Great Satan for these barbarians, we ought to do our best to play the part.
Yeah?  I got news for you, newbie that stepped into Beliathon's puppet.

ISIS is an Internet war.
9677  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: December 09, 2015, 02:47:31 AM
Not all Muslims are like you think they are from what you see on TV.

On this forum quite a few don't watch TV.  Therefore they have no idea what you may refer to.
9678  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donald Trump urges ban on Muslims coming to US on: December 09, 2015, 02:46:12 AM
Mixed views here in the UK some for some against I'm on the fence.

Your views on refugees or immigration?
Trump's views are extreme - He even wants Muslim tourists stopped from coming to the US.  Tongue
The best way to fix this problem is not now but in the future. We need to keep our nose out of the Middle East and quit breeding war torn countries where all the people know is misery and hate.

This starts economically, and in particular it means getting independanet of foreign oil.  Thanks to the US Fracking industry to get that accomplished, after the Democratic party in the pockets of the Saudis over four decades destroyed the ability of the US to be energy independant through nuclear power.
9679  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Trump says what everyone is thinking, demands ban on Muslim immigration on: December 08, 2015, 11:54:51 PM
Besides, I don't think this could ever be legal. There are laws in America (and in every western country) which prevents segregation because of race, sex or religion.

I am not judging but this is only a matter of playing with law. We have secret courts and secret law, so why would it not be possible?  Huh

It is only because of the ignorance of the people as to how to use the Preamble to the Constitution, and the 6th, 7th, and 9th Amendments.

Smiley

Yes, that's what I thought. I'm not familiar with American law, but this can't be standard law preventing segregation, it's probably in the American constitution.

I also wonder how such a scheme could me implemented. Let's I'm flying to the US tomorrow, would there be a guy at the airport asking everyone if they're muslims, and send them back right away? What if someone lies? How to check? Will you have to eat a slice of bacon to prove you're not muslim?

That's all right with me, I like bacon.

Select groups of people certainly can be constitutionally barred from entry, curfews set on them, and other restrictions.  There are Supreme Court cases on this matter.

And as far as I'm concerned, if you like bacon you should get in.
9680  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donald Trump urges ban on Muslims coming to US on: December 08, 2015, 11:51:12 PM
Oh, let the Muslims come. It will give the cops something to use for target practice rather than us citizens.

Syed Rizwan Farook, the ISIS jhadi who perpetrated the 2015 San Bernardino shooting was an American citizen. And more importantly, he was born in Chicago, Illinois to parents who were naturalized US citizens. This means that even if you place a carpet ban on Muslim immigration to the United States, w.e.f 2016 January, there is still a chance of a terror attack happening.

And Obama has banned surveillance of Mosques.

Whose side is he on....

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