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981  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 24, 2013, 01:56:22 AM
you are implying a fear that does not exist.

It is a fact fear does not exist. For something to exist it must have energy (like photon) or / and mass (like bicycle).

''Fear'' has neither of the two, just like unicorn. Unicorns have neither energy nor mass - therefore unicorns do not exists. Therefore ''fear'' does not exist.

if you are not concerned about Iran you don't understand how they censor the media and try to keep their people in the dark like the Chinese used to do.

Are you willing to drop bombs on Persians to protect them from censorship of media then?
982  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 24, 2013, 01:44:53 AM
because we are a civilized people
Please don't do that again. My keyboard's warranty doesn't cover vomit damage.

+1. They have the highest incarceration rate in the world yet this guy claims they are civilized. He lost touch with reality.

they are not in jail for taxes.. they are in jail because they have dark skin.

And that makes you civilized, right?
983  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 24, 2013, 01:42:57 AM
like the government I am far more concerned about iran than Afghanistan.

Please correct me if I am wrong but Iran (Persians) did not attack any other country in the last 300 years. Why are you afraid of them?
984  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 24, 2013, 01:35:14 AM

Referring to the indigenous American populations, in case anyone didn't get that...


100 million is highly disputable. There were not statistics at that time. Region of 15 million is more realistic. But still very high.
985  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 24, 2013, 01:11:13 AM
because we are a civilized people
Please don't do that again. My keyboard's warranty doesn't cover vomit damage.

+1. They have the highest incarceration rate in the world yet this guy claims they are civilized. He lost touch with reality.
986  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 24, 2013, 01:08:44 AM
All the government does when you don't pay taxes is seize your assets.

Seize? You meant steal, using force if you happen to defend your property. Try to resist their seizure / stealing of your car and they will shoot you dead. If you somehow survive, you get in prison. If you want to leave the prison to have a beer with friends, the prison guard will shoot you dead.

But wait, why would you want to resist; they have all the guns in the world, they have tanks and combat airplanes. Why would you resist them? They are such nice people  Grin
987  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 24, 2013, 01:02:12 AM
I WELCOME regulation.

Sorry dude, I am an American.

Trust me, I am sorry too. All your regulation is supposed to be derived / based on the so called US constitution, i.e. a piece of paper with ink on it from year 1787 or something.

Trust me, there is no evidence to prove the US constitution or any other US laws apply to you. Just like there is no evidence that bible from 2000 years ago and church laws or regulations apply to you or anybody else.

If you can prove this with the evidence US constitution, laws and regulations apply to you, I will pay you BTC 100.

If you believe you easily earned BTC 100 from me watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE&list=UUFeK8ZdHbCqAq3gekWs8aEQ&index=38

And don't waste your time telling me some cock-a-mamy scheme that if I don't pay taxes men with guns will show up at my door.

All I want is to pay you BTC 100 if you can prove US constitution and other laws or regulation by the so called US government apply to you or anybody else othe than the so called US government.
988  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 24, 2013, 12:08:33 AM
I care, I WELCOME regulation.

What kind of regulation do you welcome:
a) the voluntarily one agreed on and enforced between consenting individuals, or
b) agreed by a small number of people and coercively forced onto non-consenting individuals at a gun point?
989  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 23, 2013, 10:09:35 PM
Tax could be considered theft, if you were not already aware of the deal for employment in your country.

Where and when and in what circumstances was this deal you are talking about concluded? Can you offer us some facts on who made this deal?
990  Other / Beginners & Help / Can someone please post BitcoinD interface screenshot? on: May 23, 2013, 06:24:52 PM
Request as per title. I am simply interested to see how it looks like  Grin
991  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 23, 2013, 02:17:59 AM
Oh I see. You don't actually want anything to change, you just want to whine about how "oppressed" you are and pretend that there is nothing you can do about it (like a spoiled teenager).

What have you smoked today?
992  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 23, 2013, 02:16:57 AM
This is actually true, here in Canada at birth I am a stewart of the state until I am 18 years old, I am under the care of her Majesty.

Can anyone show facts and evidence linking you to Elizabeth Alexandra Mary - I guess this granny is referred as to majesty. For millenia and centuries people calling themselves kings and queens were able to deceive others that power to govern other people comes from god, and that they (kings and queens) represent the so called god on Earth. This trick is still working in Canada.

Same in the U.S. just that you don't have a Monarchy you belong to the state.

The american revolution destroyed the myth of power to govern comes from god, and was replaced with another myth of power to govern coming from the so called nation, elections, and what not.

I could declare myself a non-citizen if I wanted but then all the rights and priviliges that government gives me would be out of my reach. I could smoke pot in public because I am a non-citizen a people of the land.  There is a law that the Natives here in Canada can proclaim that if they are born in Canada they are free of the laws and benefits of the aboriginal treaties, they are truly free and cannot be judged by a Canadian Court for being original inhabitants of the land.

Here is something for you: go to call of shame and video first to get a taste of more lengthy materials
http://marcstevens.net/
 
You do not need to declare yourself  a non-citizen to smoke pot.
993  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 23, 2013, 02:02:52 AM

Again, if you don't like taxes, then you can run for office and try to get taxation repealed (which would be asinine, but it is your choice).

You mean, you suggest that I join the mafia to change the mafia into something good and virtuous? What have you smoked today?
994  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 23, 2013, 01:49:52 AM
No, because the citizens of this country elect officials who support taxation to represent them, and in some local/state governments vote on taxes directly.

I used to read a lot. Did you know that in ancient Rome there were people called masters and slaves (the division was more complex - I want to keep it simple). A human called ''master'' could by virtue of ''law'' own another human called ''slave''.

Slaves were given certain rights, e.g. they could retain 10% of their income (90% must have been paid to the master). The master took care of his slaves. He provided services in exchange for 90%. He provided the slaves with:
- schools (if you were the master would you allow the slave to go to the school in which he might be taught how bad slavery is?)
- security
- medical care
- what not.

The slaves at that time could not choose their master. At their birth slaves became the property of a given master.

And you know what? In part of Europe I live in, cumulative taxes (income tax, VAT, luxury tax, social tax and others) account for about 83%.

Do you know what a factual difference between a slave in ancient Rome and a citizen is? A slave could not vote who his master would be. A citizen is given the right to change his master every 2 / 4 / 6 years (depending were you live in.

Citizen = slave. Citizenship = slavery. only the word to describe the facts is more sophisticated

Why do you call yourself a citizen. Are you a masochist?


The power is always in the peoples hands.

Hahahahaha. Do they have the power to choose not to have a master / state?
995  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 23, 2013, 01:05:10 AM
Ignoring the fact that you apparently think taxes are stealing (even though you are provided with education, fire dept, police and military protection, roads, social safety net, etc, etc with those taxes) and the fact that you believe that police can legally beat you for no other reason than a failure to appear in court; the fact that a rule/regulation/law may be specific enough to provide exceptions to said rule, doesn't mean that the rule is invalid.

I am provided these ''services'' at the barrel of a gun. I am forced to pay (taxes) for them even if I nether need them nor want them. If I do not pay for these fantastic ''services'', I get a letter from IRS, if I ignore the letter, a get another one from a court. If I ignore this one, guys dressed in blue costumes will appear at my door. If I do not want to speak to them, they will break into my house. If I resist, they will beat the shit out of me and break my legs. Then I will be sent to jail. If I believed your BS to be free and want to go home, a prison guard will shot me dead.

Do you think it is moral to provide a service at the barrel of a gun?

Besides that, as I stated before, laws represent the collective will of the people. When laws like the Jim Crow laws are no longer considered acceptable by the general public, they are removed.

What you stated is irrelevant. I do not think your stating anything makes it true by the virtue of it being you who states anything. Laws do not represent the collective will of the people. Laws represent the observable and empirically (and to certain extend rationally) confirmed reality.

Your ''law'' is a misnomer. Collective will of the people has no power to stop a rock from falling down the hill, collective will of the people cannot make ''2+2=-5''. Finally, collective will of people has no power to magically make theft moral.
996  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 23, 2013, 12:27:47 AM
How exactly is civil and criminal law a "non-valid" concept? 

Because civil and criminal ''laws'' are not laws; just a few examples of contradictions:
- ''criminal law'' says it is illegal (i.e. morally wrong) to initiate force against anybody to steal, yet it creates exception: when you do not pay the protection fee, i.e. ''taxes'', the so called criminal law ''allows'' to steal property from you to pay it against your will; can you imagine a gravity law that says ''every object dropped from a 10th story falls into the ground with an exception of a child (because child might get hurt)
- ''criminal law'' says it is immoral to beat the shit out of other people unless attacked, yet ''allows'' the police (guys in blue costumes with sign ''police'' on their huts) to beat the shit out of you if you do not appear in court on time; can you imagine Archimedes law that says ''any object drowned in a bathtube displaces the amount of fluid equal to its weight, except for guys in blue costumes who will displace 1/3 of their weight''?
997  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 23, 2013, 12:14:02 AM
My real question about governments is:

1) With Bitcoins is really easy to launder money and do not declare your earnings. That means less money payed to taxes.
2) Even though everyone complains about taxes, the majority agrees, because they want public streets, schools, healthcare...
3) What if the state forces to remove Bitcoin because if people keep doing it they will need to increment taxes.
4) Taxes increment -> More people have nondeclared money. Go to 1).

How is that not a problem? In most "standard" (let me call it like that) countries, not only USA, is going to be a problem if it ends up being very popular.

Solutions? I don't know.

Here is diagnosis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGIgOIFdnMQ&list=PL8BAD2CAEDA93AAD8 watch the whole series
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A

Here is the solution (download audiobooks and listen when you have time):
http://www.freedomainradio.com/FreeBooks.aspx
recommended: How (not) to achieve freedom, Practical anarchy, everyday anarchy
998  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 22, 2013, 11:56:52 PM
You are confusing scientific law with civil and criminal law.  

No, you are confusing science (laws) with pseudocience (jurisprudence, including non-valid concepts like civil and criminal ''laws'').
999  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 22, 2013, 11:37:27 PM

The government isn't made up of US citizens who are elected by other US citizens to represent and serve them? 

Be a dear and give me a definition of a citizen.
1000  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is being killed by governments and nobody seems to care! on: May 22, 2013, 11:34:21 PM
How is creating laws and regulations to prevent criminals and terrorists from laundering money acting "above the law" or "without consequence"? 

How is creating laws possible? Laws are not being created, laws are being discovered. Laws are fundamental truths about the reality, e.g.:
- Archimedes' principle (a law) was discovered by Archimedes. This law states a certain fundamental truth, namely any floating object displaces its own weight of fluid.
- Law of universal gravitation by Newton,
- many more

For a concept to qualify to be called a law, this concept needs to be universally true. Let me give you an example: any object drowned in a bathtube displaces the amount of fluid equal to its weight:
(the below will give you some sense of being universal)
- whether in year 1900 or whether in year 2090
- whether on Earth or on Mars or on Jupiter
- whether you like it or not
- whether you consider it legal or not
- whether it will cause someone's death or will save a life

Let's see a statist's examples of law:
- one year law says smoking pot is okay, the next law gets you in jail for smoking pot - you see the so called ''law'' is not universal in time, therefore it is not a law - it is legal pseudo-science
- in one place of the Earth law says possessing gold is okay, in other place of the Earth having gold gets you in jail - you see the so called ''law'' is not universal in space, therefore it is not a law - it is legal pseudo-science
- etc

The so called ''laws'' are bullshits named / sold to you as ''laws'' so that you perceive them as scientific and true, and do not protest when put in jail for non-crimes.

Trust me, no-one ''creates laws''. There are only people who write bullshit on pieces of paper, call it laws and then extract every penny out of you, if you fail to comply with the bullshit written on these pieces of paper.
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