You are making a judgement by trying to purge adult entertainment industries from the get go. Personally, I like adult entertainment; it's natural.
+1. All those people who want to gradually take our liberties away under the phoney pretense that they want to protect society from the "evils of the world" are in fact the single most dangerous menace to human liberty. In all human history moralists and puritans always tried to control the population by imposing insane moral rules on us. They want to tell you what to eat, what to drink, what to enjoy, who to marry, how to raise your children, etc... it's about control, and nothing else. Especially puritans are the worst of the worst, because they literally hate it when you enjoy your life too much.  They are trying to manipulate us into feeling guilty or ashamed of things that are totally natural and have always been part of our lifes. So let's just say NO to them. We don't restrict our freedom to watch porn just because there is some child porn out there. How can a sane person even mention those two things in the same sentence? We shouldn't let government spy on us, just because some of us could be terrorists. Terrorist is a bullshit term anyway. The american revolutionaries of 1776 were in fact terrorists in the eyes of the king of england. So... what gives? We shouldn't believe government when it points to some foreigners and tells us: these people are your enemy, we must destroy them. Because war is the health of the state, government ALWAYS wants to wage war against someone, because war is big business. So let's just say NO to them. "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin +1 Nailed it georgem! It's these concepts I'm trying to get r-ando to investigate because he's speaking a language that is the epitome of what DRK is NOT about. Thanks |
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You can not censor the networks; it's impossible. It would be better to have all traffic going through the MN's encrypted with no logging whatsoever by anyone. So even if someone is visiting a site/service that is untasteful, the MN operator would have no idea that it was used as such and also have plausible deniability of any connections outgoing from their exit node.
@Rando censor porn? You must be David Cameron. That's a slippery slope. First porn, then "terrorists", finally anything the state doesn't agree with. Terrible idea mate.
Hi Propulsion, ''you must be David Cameron'' That really got me laughing hahaha, thanks I needed that, its been a challenging morning and I'm really interested with what is happening in Scotland too  I promise I understand what you are saying even if I don't necessarily fully agree that deciding a specific vessel is not for a certain purpose is censure. It will be open source right? So what is to stop people from creating the same thing for pornography? And to have a few copies of that too... This could be a distinguishing feature to create a moat (In the Warren Buffett sense) A perceptual moat and also a physical moat of certitude, if you connect through this you kids can no longer be exposed to pornography while utilizing the web system that supports the information used for daily business, such as goods and payments Think about a kid who looks up a toy online and gets directed to a sex toy with sexual popups or something like this, all of a sudden this would be avoided and this could be used as a selling point too. How are they censured? I would argue that such an idea wouldn't be about censure, its about organization of society which is still necessary in a decentralized society, you are most likely very conscious of this working on Darkcoin. Eventually people will connect to whichever Internet they want to depending on what they want to do. I could be wrong, but what am I wrong about? I believe there is so much potential in having Darkcoin become the world's currency but I also believe that there is a responsibility to do it right too, a responsibility to step up and say you know what, this isn't only about money, its about sustainability, we decided that we would do what was necessary to gain the people's trust and maintain it. We are dedicated to sustainable trust and cooperation between the people of the world. The governments have expressed their concerns so we will address those concerns, we are open to compromise as long as the fundamentals of freedom we believe in stay true. We understand that the government currently have a large say in these things and until things change for the better we are willing to compromise by defining the parameters of our net so that the beneficial changes that this technology can bring to the world are slowly introduced and spread to the people of the world in the most smooth and effective way possible while ensuring a strict standard for ensuring that peoples trust is maintained.... We understand this could seem like a favouritism towards other kinds of industries, however we are not making a judgment on the specifics of any businesses, we are just be conscious of the best way to proceed with such novel ideas in a manner that is transparent and respected by the population and taking into account the realities on the field. Its a logical opinion Propulsion, its up to you guys... r-ando....bump....(my response from two pages back). Like propulsion says, it's noble and all but you're seriously not understanding what this is about: "r-ando I'm sure no one here would want to discourage your upbeat nature and enthusiasm (the world needs that) but I agree with cyanez, you seem to seriously have hold of the wrong end of the stick about what "DarkTor" will be for and what privacy/anonymity truly means. It's not an opportunity to "rid the world of that disgusting pornography" (my phrase I just penned but unfortunately the nature of your posts and the concentration on pornography are indicating you have a strong distaste for it and and moral desire to see it banned/removed/voted off so "rid the world of that disgusting pornography" is how you're sounding). Your suggestions along the lines of "well there's already the normal Internet for pornography so if we don't have it on the DarkTor, the government will at least strike DarkTor off the list as a place where paedophiles go" is such an unbelievably naive view I barely know how to try to describe why that is and help you realise that. I think you've completely and utterly misunderstood what this concept is all about. "DarkTor" (or whatever it will be called) will be designed to be completely free, open and devoid of restriction. That means it needs to carry everything and anything without any form of censorship or collective voting. It needs to be "free speech" at its ultimate and enable humans to freely publish, view and have access to anything and everything. Anything less than this and it's a controlled system that no longer assures freedom. I know you'll be thinking "but what about child pornography?" Well to tack onto cyanez's freeway analogy above, we wouldn't think about closing down a section of road when it was revealed that some child pornographers were travelling on it with contraband child pornography in their vehicles would we? That would be ridiculous. Law enforcement needs to use other means to pursue and catch such criminals. Likewise we wouldn't consider banning cars for the same reason just because these same child pornographers used cars. The DarkTor is to enable humans to operate without overarching monitoring and control by governments and big business. It HAS TO fundamentally be completely private otherwise the core essence of what this is about starts collapsing. Your concepts of voting for content are technically ridiculously cumbersome and socially, a complex disaster where, even with the best crypto signing techniques, all sorts of problems could be introduced to give some types of content (and people publishing it) an edge over other types. It would be unworkable in the extreme and people would simply develop all sorts of mechanisms to get around it. Without even going into the complexities of why it wouldn't work, if there was a voting system, someone would then have to vote on child pornography and by potentially having that image displayed on their device in order to cast a vote, they've effectively "downloaded" it and thereby committed a crime. To even think you could have a voting system is just fraught with so many technical and legal issues it doesn't warrant any further discussion. I think you need to go do some study on libertarian thought around why the state is such a danger to human progress. I think you're missing much fundamental understanding about what this whole realm and DarkCoin's about and what the potential DarkTor would also be for." |
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Unphased by the poor market response to RC4, the darkcoin development team has been chugging away. Their hard work will soon be culminating in a number of positive events all within a short time frame. Market sentiment on darkcoin should swing positive as media coverage picks up on all the action. Furthermore there is a good chance to sustain the higher prices: considering #3 and #7, we will soon have a community of brilliant developers able to take the weight off of Evan's shoulders and accelerate progress on future development plans. And there are indeed a lot of good ideas for darkcoin's future. Darkcoin's September Perfect Storm?1. RC4 Selloff Market sentiment is overtly negative after the huge selloff corresponding with a perceived "troubled" release of RC4. 2. RC53. Open sourcing4. Darkcoin FoundationWe'll be releasing much more detailed information with RC5 5. EnforcementI have a separate plan I've been considering as an alternative that carries no risk and can be done at RC5's launch 6. Trusted Peer Review & 3rd party whitepaperKristov says he is finishing writing up his view on DRK. 7. Future development plansThank you KryptoFoo for collating all those key comments and statements. |
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-1 It's a tool to access internet anonymously, all of it. Not a decentralized host specialized in seedy sites (no more deniability). Provided people are paying MN, I couldn't care less. The platform concept is nothing more than a conduit idea to get people to pay up; to grow the MN network to secure it for mixing; to give investment grade value to MNs. Ideology went out the window years ago when I had a private dinner on one of the rooftop terraces of the Dorchester Hotel and was drinking £500 / shot brandy and smoking £500 cigars, listening to filthy rich fuckers talking about going fishing using private jets and army helicopters to access Salmon off the Northern Russian coast. What you don't understand is by doing that, you give some entities more pretenses to critic and try to take down the network. Therefore you are limiting the potential demand and you won't make money long. Clearly. But what I am looking at is: * GoDaddy, a platform, and one of the more successful of thousands, has annual revenues of over $1bn*Tor, a router, and the only one, that requires charity The survey on what people were prepared to pay to use DarkTor highlighted that most people wanted to access it free or pay next to nothing. An anonymous DRK router and a DRK platform are not mutually exclusive options. What Tor does is create a spotlight on bad actors. Its then an arms race to for the law to try and catch a focused number of people and Tor trying to stay ahead. Create a platform and people can use the MN anonymous router to hide out in the open with millions of other users accessing the adult content (not just porn) - this is CoinJoin - the essence of Darkcoin. Putting adult content out of the reach of as many kids as possible is a real world problem that impacts the majority of internet users on a global scale. Buying drugs and guns on the internet is a niche market that attracts DDoS from the authorities. Adding the two together gets a router for those that want it and income for MNs from those that want to reward the solution to a $100bn - $200bn adult content industry. But if its just a router that people prefer, then lets get duck duck go or Yahoo! to pay $10 to MNs for everyone who serves up its search engine and makes it their default. I've taken over the conversation on this issue. That's it from me. Yeah give yourself a break coins and head up to the roof for some brandy and a cigar.... |
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As far as darktor goes, I think it is perfectly reasonable to eliminate child pornography. If anyone has a host on darktor that has cp, I hope it will not be allowed. I believe it is ok to take a moral stand on issues and not hide from them under the freedom of speech/ well if we ban x then y,z, and all of alpha and half of that is up for discussion. No. Take a fucking stand. Child pornography hurts innocent people. Scars them. FOR LIFE. Don't equate the freedom one chooses to purchase drugs, sell images of their own bodies, etc., to the forceful filming of 4-8 yearolds, or 15 month olds, in sexual situations.
Whether it is reasonable or not isn't the problem. The problem is how do you do this in a decentralized fashion. Also child porn is easy, but there are many many things that people will disagree on whether it should be made available. I am sorry but slippery slopes do exist. The best thing is for someone to come up with a way to prevent certain content from being accessed when using their masternode. Hm, so every master node operator will decide what content he / she allows to get access to ? So like, in countries where cannabis is illegal, the master node does not allow access to cannabis related sites, in countries where age of consent is 21, you will ban any content to sexual content where the involved ones are below 21, and in states where drinking is prohibited, you will ban any alcohol related content ? Ah, and in other countries, where it's forbidden to eat beef, we ban access to 'how to make a perfect steak' content. Right. Where does it end once you start censorship ? +1 Like I said in my comments to r-ando above, " That means it needs to carry everything and anything without any form of censorship or collective voting. It needs to be "free speech" at its ultimate and enable humans to freely publish, view and have access to anything and everything."
The minute you even take the first step into the "well we're not going to allow this..." you are opening a door to all the complexities of centralisation and control; the very essence of what this is supposed to be avoiding. The issues of what's illegal in one jurisdiction versus another will open a pandora's box of complexity. Furthermore, I wouldn't think an MN is going to "see" content travelling through as the whole notion of the anonymity means traffic will be moving around different MNs constantly. (Is it just me or are people just not thinking through what this whole DarkTor thing is before putting forward notions or ideas.....it's anonymous privacy, "filtering" and "content voting" are concepts absolutely disconnected from what the core of this is about?) Few people want to see DarkTor used for illegal purposes but the very moment we attempt to limit what can be on there, we've just taken on the big brother role. It needs to be completely raw, open and unfettered. If people use it for illegal purposes then so be it; they're breaking the law and law enforcement will need to use their sophisticated entrapment techniques, not rely on an IP address. People use roads everyday to travel to locations to commit crimes; should we close the roads? This needs to be very clear with everyone as it goes to the heart of free speech and being able to avoid constant guv monitoring. |
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R-Ando,
"Well why wouldn't they just go and directly spy on terrorists instead?"
You mean the same way they can go and spy on pedophiles directly as well? Any argument you can make for DarkTor and it's value to society applies to porn as well.
Sorry, mate, you're trying to eliminate car accidents by taking away freeways. You've found a solution in search of a problem. It works better the other way around.
r-ando I'm sure no one here would want to discourage your upbeat nature and enthusiasm (the world needs that) but I agree with cyanez, you seem to seriously have hold of the wrong end of the stick about what "DarkTor" will be for and what privacy/anonymity truly means. It's not an opportunity to "rid the world of that disgusting pornography" (my phrase I just penned but unfortunately the nature of your posts and the concentration on pornography are indicating you have a strong distaste for it and and moral desire to see it banned/removed/voted off so "rid the world of that disgusting pornography" is how you're sounding). Your suggestions along the lines of "well there's already the normal Internet for pornography so if we don't have it on the DarkTor, the government will at least strike DarkTor off the list as a place where paedophiles go" is such an unbelievably naive view I barely know how to try to describe why that is and help you realise that. I think you've completely and utterly misunderstood what this concept is all about. "DarkTor" (or whatever it will be called) will be designed to be completely free, open and devoid of restriction. That means it needs to carry everything and anything without any form of censorship or collective voting. It needs to be "free speech" at its ultimate and enable humans to freely publish, view and have access to anything and everything. Anything less than this and it's a controlled system that no longer assures freedom. I know you'll be thinking "but what about child pornography?" Well to tack onto cyanez's freeway analogy above, we wouldn't think about closing down a section of road when it was revealed that some child pornographers were travelling on it with contraband child pornography in their vehicles would we? That would be ridiculous. Law enforcement needs to use other means to pursue and catch such criminals. Likewise we wouldn't consider banning cars for the same reason just because these same child pornographers used cars. The DarkTor is to enable humans to operate without overarching monitoring and control by governments and big business. It HAS TO fundamentally be completely private otherwise the core essence of what this is about starts collapsing. Your concepts of voting for content are technically ridiculously cumbersome and socially, a complex disaster where, even with the best crypto signing techniques, all sorts of problems could be introduced to give some types of content (and people publishing it) an edge over other types. It would be unworkable in the extreme and people would simply develop all sorts of mechanisms to get around it. Without even going into the complexities of why it wouldn't work, if there was a voting system, someone would then have to vote on child pornography and by potentially having that image displayed on their device in order to cast a vote, they've effectively "downloaded" it and thereby committed a crime. To even think you could have a voting system is just fraught with so many technical and legal issues it doesn't warrant any further discussion. I think you need to go do some study on libertarian thought around why the state is such a danger to human progress. I think you're missing much fundamental understanding about what this whole realm and DarkCoin's about and what the potential DarkTor would also be for. |
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A voting system for taking down content could be established and a process for creating a vote on a perceived issue also.... Vote for, against, no vote, need more time please click here for information, how is this complex? Create no more than 1 voting issue per x amount of time... Option to turn off voting, option to select area of interest of participation of votes in the case where voting is based on world issues or concerns... etc. and votes could be redone at will too every so often to see if people think differently about different issues over time and want to implement changes... maybe around taxes? So all websites within the "Darktor" have to have some sort of shell construct around them so votes could be cast against each and every page and then all the metadata associated with all the votes feeds back into a centralised database that then determines when pages are going to be "taken down", when they're still within their timeframe to be altered and "re-submitted" for everyone to "vote" again, and then when they're experiencing 50/50 "votes" on whether they're considered "pornography" on not they'll go to some sort of user-based committee that will make a ruling? And all this will be run in real time across (the likely) thousands and thousands of websites that will be part of the Darktor? as I've said in a subsequent post, I think you're having a joke with us all... |
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Hi thelonecrouton, I understand what you are saying. Some different perspectives here and that's awesome! By the way I'm a fan of your multisig efforts, thank you! I'll try to answer you best I can: How can you determine what to filter if you can't see it? Everything on MasterNet should be computationally unfeasable to snoop, or the whole thing's pointless. ---- Well if information is going to be shared it needs to be visible, its the access to it which will be safe right? What I'm mainly understanding right now is that whoever would use the safenet would have their personal data protected and also not be tracked online. Like Tor but better. People will see what is one it, but an individual's personal activity will be protected, basically a guarantee of an individuals rights of freedom. So I don't understand fully your comment ''or the whole thing is pointless''. Because you can't. And if you can, the system is worthless. ----- why? Here also, is the point supposed to be porn? So if it addresses all security and privacy issues and doesn't do porn its useless? This is just gibberish. Porn exists, it's big business, why would I as a MN owner want to turn away revenue? ---- Here I have another question, is there more money in pornography or in all the other sectors of the world combined? If you don't like porn, avoid it, what other people do is none of your business - you know, the whole fucking point of Darkcoin? ---- I know what you are saying here too... However, ask yourself what are the two main things governemnets say about anonymity online? They say it helps hide terrorists and criminals like pedophiles. If we eliminate the pedophile angle their terrorist angle will be the only one left and it will be easier for us to win on one front than two. For the terrorism thing, I guess we will have to work on a world where people no longer want to do such things because their is no reason to. We can also point out how cash is no different in that case too.... well the pedophiles hurt the children thats the point there (the governments too), and it doesn't hurt anyone to not have regular porno on something that doesn't exist yet if they can already find it somewhere else and if that thing isn't meant for that... As for the technically impossible thats not my specialty, I'm just throwing some ideas out there for the community... I'm surprised you think pornography has such an important place in a safenet. Good discussion on these challenging ideas... I don't think you do. I don't really give a damn about porn, but I care about privacy. For MasterNet to be useful to anyone, it has to be completely private, anonymous and secure. If anyone can see what you are up to except yourself, it is broken and worthless. And if it is completely private, anonymous and secure, there is no way to filter or censor content. This entire conversation is almost an oxymoron. This bit r-ando However, ask yourself what are the two main things governemnets say about anonymity online? They say it helps hide terrorists and criminals like pedophiles. If we eliminate the pedophile angle their terrorist angle will be the only one left and it will be easier for us to win on one front than two. For the terrorism thing, I guess we will have to work on a world where people no longer want to do such things because their is no reason to. We can also point out how cash is no different in that case too....
"If we eliminate the pedophile angle their terrorist angle will be the only one left and it will be easier for us to win on one front than two" Tell me you're having a joke with us all...! We're talking about a Tor-like network. How would you prevent any particular type of content being on there!!! |
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The average IT project implementation timeline is 3-5 years
This project is 8 months old, marketing will happen when the team is ready.
Until then, enjoy these low prices, you're not going to see them ever again...
I doubt if an everage user is gonna be ready to wait that long. Considering the price is creeping down day and night. F**k the average user. Bitcoin didn't go to 1000 $ because of average users. It also didn't maintain it's pricelevel around 500$ for the last half year because of average users. If history repeats itself, the following will happen: You can now buy darkcoin at insanely low prices. In 1-2 years you can sell those darkcoins to "average users" for a price - order of magnitudes higher. The average user is always late to the party. So.... wait for the party, prepare yourself. When the "johnny come latelies" arrive, you will have to be here to fullfill their needs... If you have given up in the meantime, then there will be no party for you!  Most people who got rich with bitcoin held on to their coins for atleast 1-2 years, before they couldn't resist selling a few at the Nov 2013 spike. So, that seems to be the behaviour that leads to success. NOT daytrading. I subscribe to every word. Hold on to your DRK for awhile and everything's gonna be allright. An average user creates transactions volume, spreads the word about the coin and does many useful things. A currency won't be able to survive long term just by relying on a few loyal (long-sighted) users. If DRK aspires for mass-adoption, the average user should be catered to as well. Also your example of Bitcoin doesn't fit in the current picture. There was no competition back in 2009 hence people interested in digital currencies had no other options than stick to Bitcoin. +1 It's very tiring to hear the "DRK elite club anthem" being sung so often by so many. There are three rules that are going to ensure DRK is successful: 1. Adoption 2. Adoption 3. Adoption We need lots and lots of "average users" because it's adoption that will make it fly and fly high. So georgem, while I can understand some of what you're inferring in relation to committed users in it for the long haul, I think your statement "F**k the average user" is the very epitome of what we DON'T want to do. We want to encourage all manner of people to take an interest in Darkcoin and learn why financial privacy (and eventually online privacy) is fundamental to a free society. We want these average users to be able to explain this to their friends and family. We want average people to become aware of what governments and big business the world over take from them on an hourly basis and how they can use Darkcoin to protect themselves and support financial liberty. geez cjrist. This is still in development. you dont like the timeline and the drive to have a successful mature and hardened coin then please invest in another coin! This argument has been hashed on here so often that its getting tiresome. Do we look like morons here.... obviously a coin needs adoption by average joe to increase in value and for to have utility... why the hell else would we have a coin to start with. its insulting our intelligence here by stating the obvious. This coin is IN DEVELOPMENT! Thus adoption is not appropriate at this time yet.... that would be cart before the horse. Those that dont like the timeline... your free to leave the building. Settle bigrcanada, this is a discussion. I don't for a minute think you're a moron and I'm not trying to insult your intelligence. Of course it's still in development, I'm not suggesting it isn't. But imagine product development on a horizontal line with extremes at each end as follows: Product well developed Product highly marketed robust, hardened but <----------------------------------------------------------------------> rushed into full release no marketing, little awareness Massive hype & uptake commercially unsuccessful Lots of problems & failures What could so easily happen here is DRK ends up too far towards the left hand end of this imaginary line and we're overtaken by other developments out there that are more towards the right hand end, achieve critical mass quicker, albeit with an inferior product that's technically lacking. I've worked in IT for 30 years, seen all manner of software products thought up, planned, developed, released. What happens time and time again to products being marketed by highly technical people who are motivated to get the architecture 100% right is they're overtaken by a competitor that potentially has an inferior product but brings a more pragmatic approach which wins hearts an minds earlier through advanced adoption (and I'm not saying this is DRK or Evan's mindset, just highlighting the danger). So, excuse me but... you dont like the timeline and the drive to have a successful mature and hardened coin then please invest in another coin!
...DOES NOT take into account the commercial realities that there is limited time to make this work and adoption IS everything in this space. I know all too well the disaster that can happen when technology is pushed out into the marketplace before it's ready. A bug-ridden product with holes all through it can completely sink a project and turn it's name into mud. Likewise a really robust, well built product with a fine architecture can also be just too slow and miss the boat completely and then eventually die because the adoption isn't there. (But alternatively after success is won, a leading product that rests on its laurels and doesn't move forward will get trumped at some point too). All of these potential outcomes are key aspects of a product development strategy and things that must be considered. All I'm saying is that adoption is the most fundamentally important aspect of this project and I'd rather see a measured approach of finding the best compromise somewhere along that line than potentially being too far down the left hand end and a beautifully developed DRK being irrelevant because it's missed the boat. |
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The SafetyNet nodes wouldn't be able to see content. SafetyNet could make it known the content it blocks from the off. No need to comb the content.
How can you determine what to filter if you can't see it? Everything on MasterNet should be computationally unfeasable to snoop, or the whole thing's pointless. why not make the new internet pornography content free from the very beginning?
Because you can't. And if you can, the system is worthless. I know censorship is terrible. I'm just thinking since pornography already has its place it would not be censured only channeled to a specific spot, the old internet. If porn was relegated to the old internet there would be no reason to have it on the new one because if people were really concerned about hiding what porno they watch they can buy a dvd or go through the original Tor on the old internet if they want to. This way no one can see what they are doing and if they are concerned about compromising their IP adresse with relation to pornography irrelevant of content they are surely into something wrong. (maybe politics ) and what is the government going to do or say, they are watching some kind of porn? This would silence any claims of relation between anonymity on the web and child pornography once and for all. We need to eventually work to take that stick away from them might as well do it now. This is just gibberish. Porn exists, it's big business, why would I as a MN owner want to turn away revenue? If you don't like porn, avoid it, what other people do is none of your business - you know, the whole fucking point of Darkcoin? If the user could filter content, that's fine, but we can't do it for them.
What if it was voted on by the users of the system through a voting system built directly into the client? And to enforce the removal of an infraction, the removal must be proposed by a system user and also collectively voted on, if the vote chooses to remove it it should be automatically removed and the user who posted it should have a suspension of access for a period of time depending on prior suspension, this would stop any fake copyright similar issues from appearing too like has been happening on youtube. What part of "what other people do is none of your business as long as it isn't harming you in any way" is not clear to you? Also, see my previous comments about it being technically impossible anyway. Hi thelonecrouton, I understand what you are saying. Some different perspectives here and that's awesome! By the way I'm a fan of your multisig efforts, thank you! I'll try to answer you best I can: How can you determine what to filter if you can't see it? Everything on MasterNet should be computationally unfeasable to snoop, or the whole thing's pointless. ---- Well if information is going to be shared it needs to be visible, its the access to it which will be safe right? What I'm mainly understanding right now is that whoever would use the safenet would have their personal data protected and also not be tracked online. Like Tor but better. People will see what is one it, but an individual's personal activity will be protected, basically a guarantee of an individuals rights of freedom. So I don't understand fully your comment ''or the whole thing is pointless''. Because you can't. And if you can, the system is worthless. ----- why? Here also, is the point supposed to be porn? So if it addresses all security and privacy issues and doesn't do porn its useless? This is just gibberish. Porn exists, it's big business, why would I as a MN owner want to turn away revenue? ---- Here I have another question, is there more money in pornography or in all the other sectors of the world combined? If you don't like porn, avoid it, what other people do is none of your business - you know, the whole fucking point of Darkcoin? ---- I know what you are saying here too... However, ask yourself what are the two main things governemnets say about anonymity online? They say it helps hide terrorists and criminals like pedophiles. If we eliminate the pedophile angle their terrorist angle will be the only one left and it will be easier for us to win on one front than two. For the terrorism thing, I guess we will have to work on a world where people no longer want to do such things because their is no reason to. We can also point out how cash is no different in that case too.... well the pedophiles hurt the children thats the point there (the governments too), and it doesn't hurt anyone to not have regular porno on something that doesn't exist yet if they can already find it somewhere else and if that thing isn't meant for that... As for the technically impossible thats not my specialty, I'm just throwing some ideas out there for the community... I'm surprised you think pornography has such an important place in a safenet. Good discussion on these challenging ideas... Good grief r-ando the naivety you're demonstrating here is astounding. You're talking a language like pornography is a black and white concept that's as clearly identified as the difference between animal, mineral and vegetable. Before you even start thinking about the "Darktor" as a place that would be "free of pornography", hence would potentially avoid paedophiles wanting to use it you would have to enter the enormously complex sociological debate "What is pornography?" I am as unenthused by the world's pornography epidemic as most thinking people are, but I also know that the very second you start making moral judgements on behalf of other people you have entered the realm of censorship and big-brother monitoring, THE VERY ESSENCE OF WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT AVOIDING! The "Darktor" is about complete and absolute privacy without some central authority deciding what is and isn't good for us. Your judgement around "pornography" and it being "negative" has absolutely no place within what's trying to be achieved here. If what you're stating would come to pass, who decides what's pornography? Are you going to put forward a complex categorisation process to determine what is and what isn't pornography? I think you're naive in the extreme and this is just a silly notion. |
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The average IT project implementation timeline is 3-5 years
This project is 8 months old, marketing will happen when the team is ready.
Until then, enjoy these low prices, you're not going to see them ever again...
I doubt if an everage user is gonna be ready to wait that long. Considering the price is creeping down day and night. F**k the average user. Bitcoin didn't go to 1000 $ because of average users. It also didn't maintain it's pricelevel around 500$ for the last half year because of average users. If history repeats itself, the following will happen: You can now buy darkcoin at insanely low prices. In 1-2 years you can sell those darkcoins to "average users" for a price - order of magnitudes higher. The average user is always late to the party. So.... wait for the party, prepare yourself. When the "johnny come latelies" arrive, you will have to be here to fullfill their needs... If you have given up in the meantime, then there will be no party for you! Most people who got rich with bitcoin held on to their coins for atleast 1-2 years, before they couldn't resist selling a few at the Nov 2013 spike. So, that seems to be the behaviour that leads to success. NOT daytrading. I subscribe to every word. Hold on to your DRK for awhile and everything's gonna be allright. An average user creates transactions volume, spreads the word about the coin and does many useful things. A currency won't be able to survive long term just by relying on a few loyal (long-sighted) users. If DRK aspires for mass-adoption, the average user should be catered to as well. Also your example of Bitcoin doesn't fit in the current picture. There was no competition back in 2009 hence people interested in digital currencies had no other options than stick to Bitcoin. +1 It's very tiring to hear the "DRK elite club anthem" being sung so often by so many. There are three rules that are going to ensure DRK is successful: 1. Adoption 2. Adoption 3. Adoption We need lots and lots of "average users" because it's adoption that will make it fly and fly high. So georgem, while I can understand some of what you're inferring in relation to committed users in it for the long haul, I think your statement "F**k the average user" is the very epitome of what we DON'T want to do. We want to encourage all manner of people to take an interest in Darkcoin and learn why financial privacy (and eventually online privacy) is fundamental to a free society. We want these average users to be able to explain this to their friends and family. We want average people to become aware of what governments and big business the world over take from them on an hourly basis and how they can use Darkcoin to protect themselves and support financial liberty. |
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Pretty interesting article on PoW/PoS: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/bitcoins-future-proof-of-stake-vs-proof-of-work/2014/08/30Like a lot of people I've struggled to comprehend what's genuine versus FUD in the PoW vs PoS debate. And with all the discussion about enforcement for MNs and mining pools avoiding paying either the full 20% or at all, I'd really like some genuinely knowledgeable and sensible people on here to articulate why PoW is a better alternative to PoS and why Darkcoin uses PoW to help some of us that don't fully understand be clearer. And also whether a hybrid arrangement (like the article is suggesting is best) would be best for DRK. Thanks. |
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The current price is of little relevance. I believe the current low price reflects some lingering uncertainty. If Evan presents solid, working solutions the price will go up again. Time is of the essence, however. For Darkcoin to be the #1 privacy centric currency, we have to be running at 100% (enforced, provably random masternode payments, no bugs, user friendly DS+) prior to Monero achieving their own version of user friendliness. It seems that the Monero GUI won't be here for at least a month, so there is still time for either coin to succeed. Alternatively, both coins could find some measure of success.
Jesus Christ it takes a day, tops. I completely redid my CCMF Multisig demo today in my lunchbreak.  That's one sexy interface. You're a lunch hour legend!  |
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Can anyone explain to me what has happened to about 10 pages of this thread? I went to bed last night with this post #59600 from MangledBlue on page 2980 (in response to masternode's overview of his background and crypto involvement): It's a pleasure to meet you. If I can help in any way, big or small, I surely will :-)
...and this morning I've hit refresh on that page only to have it go back to page 2970 and #59381 and I can't find that previous post of Mangled. What's appearing on this page is all new (i.e. I'm not reading the previous posts I've already read) but what happened to the numbering? confused! I guess this relates to the BCT moderators deleting posts? A extraordinary number seem to have gone though. I've just checked back through my browser tabs from yesterday that haven't yet been refreshed. This post from thelonecrouton was at #59595 on page 2980 It's now post #59308 on page 2966. That means a total of 287 posts have disappeared! Good grief. (Yeah Mangled, can't find it but haven't done a search on your text) Hell - at that rate we should have hit 3000 pages already - that's crazy - ugh Yes. And I searched on your text, your original post is definitely gone, only the recreation in my post is showing up in search results. This forum is either seriously flaky, the BCT moderators are just deleting stuff at random (and there was absolutely nothing in your post that would have even remotely warranted it being deleted) or a combination of both. |
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Can anyone explain to me what has happened to about 10 pages of this thread? I went to bed last night with this post #59600 from MangledBlue on page 2980 (in response to masternode's overview of his background and crypto involvement): It's a pleasure to meet you. If I can help in any way, big or small, I surely will :-)
...and this morning I've hit refresh on that page only to have it go back to page 2970 and #59381 and I can't find that previous post of Mangled. What's appearing on this page is all new (i.e. I'm not reading the previous posts I've already read) but what happened to the numbering? confused! I guess this relates to the BCT moderators deleting posts? A extraordinary number seem to have gone though. I've just checked back through my browser tabs from yesterday that haven't yet been refreshed. This post from thelonecrouton was at #59595 on page 2980 It's now post #59308 on page 2966. That means a total of 287 posts have disappeared! Good grief. (Yeah Mangled, can't find it but haven't done a search on your text) |
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Can anyone explain to me what has happened to about 10 pages of this thread? I went to bed last night with this post #59600 from MangledBlue on page 2980 (in response to masternode's overview of his background and crypto involvement): It's a pleasure to meet you. If I can help in any way, big or small, I surely will :-)
...and this morning I've hit refresh on that page only to have it go back to page 2970 and #59381 and I can't find that previous post of Mangled. What's appearing on this page is all new (i.e. I'm not reading the previous posts I've already read) but what happened to the numbering? confused! |
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I think I will set-up a second DRK foundation - it's goals: 1. Make Master Node Operators Rich 2. As above Having read the works of Isaac Asimov, I'm fairly sure you're not supposed to let the first foundation become aware of the Second Foundation for this to work. Provided both foundations abide by the 3rd law, no harm should be done.... |
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Why you guy are so scared ? Little price drop huh ? Lets talk price right now.
What are your predictions ?
Le me tellyou mine :
Two weeks after RC5 one DRK is going to cost 0.045 BTCand rising !
I don't see how RC5 is going to drive the price up. Unless some big holders stop dumping their coins the bearish trend will continue. Well I don't see why the price has to drop below 0.045 either. Although I agree that RC5 won't make any difference in terms of price fluctuation. Sooooo....let me see, are you saying: Well I don't see why the price has to drop below 0.045 either
...that we will travel all the way up to 0.045 i.e. approx 10 times from where we're at now (0.00487829 on MP as I write this) and then, based on RC5 and/or potential developments you're not expecting the price to drop below 0.045 (i.e. 10 x current), although it will continue to experience fluctuation (which, I guess means it will have to go substantially higher than 0.045 in order for there to be enough room for the fluctuations without it coming back down below 0.045....)? Or Do you actually mean 0.0045 (i.e. approx where it's at now) in which case you're saying that you don't see why it would have to drop back below the current levels? I'm guessing it's the second of these two scenarios? (I really wish people would take more care with the placement of the decimal point when they're writing about prices!) |
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I think you are an intelligent man but you're also an appalling example of a frightened individual who hides behind this outward persona of a kick-arse, gun wielding, no-time-for-anyone-different-to-me, loud-mouthed, obnoxious, dick head. Your capacity for misogyny with a phrase like that is up there with the best (worst) examples to be found on the Internet. There is at least one female regularly on here (Tante), and bless her for being able to survive in here. And I'd like to see a whole lot more females because diversity is what crypto needs. But using language like that is not going to attract them or keep them here.
Your armchair psychology is as unuseful as it is inaccurate. Most people are trash. Half of them are female. How dare I say it! Calling me names to make yourself feel cool isn't useful, either. I don't hide behind anything, you just can't stand that I'm really this way and it shows. Tante is not a typical female and I have plenty of respect for her for being so. It'd serve you well to read before you spout off your bullshit attempts to step on me. You only get egg on your face. I can't care less if you want to pick a fight, it's just that it won't work... Good of the coin, female worship, collectivist superiority complex... Weaklings are all the same. I don't hide behind anything, you just can't stand that I'm really this way and it shows.
Ah, no you're wrong Camo, I actually appreciate much of what you have to say and how you're able to provide an alternative view to the mainstream. I'm not here to pick a fight with you, far from it. I don't share your views that most people are trash, but that's okay, I respect that you hold that opinion and you're able to freely express it. But writing disgusting descriptions of how you'd anally rape a woman because she's not complying to your wishes (or you're just sick of her, or whatever....) is beneath you and everyone that has to read such offensive material. That's what my main point was about. Over and out. It seems your main point(s) were entirely made-up... This is an absolute fabrication and I said nothing of the sort. Anyone can read it not more than a page back. Nothing was said of non-consensuality. That notion is repugnant on it's face. Your fabricated imagining for why are equally vile. This commentary is a flaming shit heap of Straw Man and you know it. I disagree with what you've falsely presented and would never force myself on someone. The very notion turns my willy inside out, wouldn't even be able to do the deed under such circumstances. I never, ever take. I only accept what is given. Further, my personal whims play no part in it. Sometimes people are just plain shitty and need an attitude adjustment. It works. It's a perfect example of the shitty people who subvert MN payments; they need the pimp hand, not the kid gloves dancing on eggshells. A bitch will only push you harder if you don't push back. You lack life experience, or at least experience with women. When they act badly, they want to be "handled." Try it and see what happens. It'll surprise you. I don't care if you like it, it's true. Women like a man that doesn't put up with their shit. They play the game to see if you're man enough, or if you're a sissy that puts up with whatever she dishes out just to get laid. A real man isn't afraid of making her mad, and she knows this means he's not trying to get laid. Weak guys who are trying to get laid are terrified of making her mad cuz then she might not want to do it... It's a test. She's not actually a bitch. But when you fail, she'll become one and pile on more. Further, why would she bother to test a man she isn't interested in? Think about it... If she's doing that, it's because she wants you to pass the test, but how many ever do? All you have to do is not put up with it, and you're in. But weak pansies never figure it out, because they never get that far. It's a woman's defense mechanism for weeding out losers. I'm not meaning to preach, but you clearly have no idea what real misogyny is, or what women are really like. I don't have to talk big or impress anyone. I can have my pick anytime I please because I do not care about being politically correct and it turns them on. I do not care about getting laid. I haven't allowed it for a long, long time. Men pick fights with me at titty bars because I spend no money, but the girls all hang around me and slip me their numbers without me even asking. I don't play games like lashing out from a weak position with name calling. I'm a balls-out manly man, and I do go over the top sometimes just to revel in the fun of it, but even when I try to tone it down... I want a woman who's brain is in charge, over whom my alpha traits do not have complete power. I'm the man version of a supermodel. That's just how it is, and frankly, it sucks. Women are starving for a real man in a society of sissified metrosexual tools. Their brains shut off and the just want to screw immediately. That's not love and I had to learn how to say no to women most men never even get to talk to. Not an easy thing to do for a testosterone infected person who doesn't realize what he's stepping into at puberty. Women see the landscape of men like "water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink." The weaklings and appeasers starve them, and then along comes me... The only drop of water in a desert of pansies. It's not as fun as you imagine it... I'm not afraid to do the ugly thing when it's the best tool for the job. Sometimes, that's just how it is. You gotta man up and do it even if you know you won't like yourself the next day. MN Enforcement is a perfect example. Let the whiners whine about what a misogynist you are and do what must be done. Haters gonna hate. Let the entitled bitches whine about having sand in their vaginas. Nobody forced them to take advantage of DRK in an inappropriate way, and they deserve to get what they give. Good for you Camo! Glad to see someone has things worked out so well. |
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I'm not sure if anyone has already reposted this here, but it's Flare responding to Stonehenge's question on how MN payments work in RC3 on the RC4 issues thread on Darkcointalk. What's of interest is his suggestion that maybe a solution to the issues being experienced around payment is for MNs to get their payments via Proof of Service (PoSVC) mining on the held DRK rather than getting the 20% from the miners. Miners would continue on with PoW of course. stonehedge said: ↑
I have a question. I ask here because it isn't easy to find the answer elsewhere.
How does the RC3 payment system work? How are masternodes being paid now? Totally randomly?
RC3 payment system was live for 1.5 month and was working 95% good all the time - and beside some network propagation problems, where in rare occasions the masternode list was different on certain miner nodes, we saw a good random distribution of payments. Evan hoped to fix the network propagation issue by switching the payment system to a "Top 20 rank approach", but it seems this introduced more flaws, which led to http://jira.darkcoin.qa/browse/DRK-33 and http://jira.darkcoin.qa/browse/DRK-24So the rollback to RC3 payment system is very logical for me, as it worked most of the time. As for me, i am still searching for a new approach to make the payments more network intrinsic - MNs should actually mine their coins by proof of service, not rely on good acting miners to share their mined coins. If we can somehow create a model where miners (PoW) and masternodes (PoSVC) mine independently from eachother, we will even have a solution for further payments for "DarkTor" relays and exit nodes. The current approach (divide PoW reward) seems not flexible enough to achieve this. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- flare flare@darkcoin.qaSoftware Engineer, IT-QA/QM subject matter expert and ISO9001 auditor. DRK beer tips (Guinness) accepted: XvKkW3NJFhTr9hcgbV8EQcGqbCCshDS8vj Darkcoin Bugtracker --> http://jira.darkcoin.qaflare, Yesterday at 10:35 PM Report#257LikeReply Perhaps this is a better solution towards fixing all the angst around enforcement? Yes, no? |
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