I don't have time to watch those videos. But what they theorize is a circular argument. Yes an omniscient being which has a total ordering perspective, could see the Universe as prescripted.

But never we will have nor measure a totally ordered perspective. Because if we could, then we could not be inside the prescripted world.


You showed that some partial top-down orders must exist. That doesn't prove that everything must be totally ordered.

I pointed out to you numerous times since then that a decentralized system can be composed of a plurality of top-down orders. Think fractals. The structure of top-down orders within partial orders is infinitely detailed zooming in and out of the fractal structure of containment.

Breathing is decentralized. Mediums-of-exchange and stores-of-value are not, as they depend on the consensus CONFIDENCE of even a significant minority of the population.

Gold is a highly inferior medium-of-exchange. It's store-of-value function is suffering from the changes in technology and surveillance which make it nearly impossible to transport it without suffering extreme risk. Used to be you could hop on a boat and take your gold with you (with sufficient hired security). Now you need permission from government to do it, else you're at extreme risk of being thrown in some sort of Guantanamo Bay prison.

Fungibility is really not the relevant FUD any more. The issue is that no currency nor store-of-value operates outside of government. And thus cryptocurrency at least offers the ability to do jurisdictional arbitrage. This will work until the NWO world goverment is formed (because the Zionists want us to subvert the nation-states!). I told all of you that the Zionists created Bitcoin in order to force the nation-states to demand a world government because Bitcoin subsumes the authority of any one grouping of nation-states.

Bitcoin is a bottom-up subterfuge of sovereignty (both nation-state and personal sovereignty are eventually destroyed at their end game).

By not investing in crypto, you're missing out on the massive transformation of world from nation-states to a NWO world government model. You can't stop this outcome with your silly precious metals fetish. The elite have been quoted as stating, "we will burn the fingertips of the goldbugs up to their armpits". You gonna learn the hard way @roach.

Show me the details (sufficiently summarized because I don't have time) and I will show you that you are incorrect. I find that you often make technological claims in this thread without sufficient peer review.

Btw, I tried to send my son $100 for Xmas and I told him to give me a Bitcoin Cash address because I didn't have any BTC right now and because the transaction fees are too high. And I told him to be careful because BTC and BCH addresses are not distinguishable algorithmically. He said he had Coinbase and then I remembered Coinbase had recently suspended BCH because of some insider trading investigation (presuming that their acceptance of BCH is what lead to the recent pump to $4000). He opted for me to have a check mailed from my Wells Fargo bank even though it would be 5 days delayed.

Crypto is still not ready for prime time. It's too difficult to use, too many caveats and snafus, and too many centralized large players with too much dominance over the market. But probably these are just growing pains, not catastrophic, because some project will deliver on decentralization at sufficient scale.

P.S. Finally got an MRI and I have numerous 0.5 - 1cm cysts on my liver, spleen, and left kidney. The Tuberculosis is entirely cleared from my lungs. So probably I need surgery to remove the cysts. Apparently the chronic fatigue and brain fog (which has so severely restricted my productivity) will abate immediately after surgery. Hopefully surgery in January if a quick change in diet, exercise intensity, and intravenous vitamin C is not able to cause the cysts to spontaneously burst or diminish. Apparently those cysts have been there since at least 2016 when the ultrasound revealing roughed gut organs, but the stupid doctors here never mentioned the possibility that the ultrasound could be indicating cysts. They should have ordered an MRI back then! I actually had to demand the MRI because the doctor here was wanting endoscopy instead! It's all about how they make the most money I think (the MRI is done by a radiologist, not them). I've been told that the politics of the hospitals here is more dysfunctional than the politics of the government! And boy have I suffered and lost a half-lifetime of productivity because of it! The gut effects started after the acute peptic ulcer ER hospitalization in May 2012. I have to find a surgeon I can trust (not some Asian doctor like the one who blinded my eye) and that I can afford (no health insurance, pre-existing condition)

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Somebody apparently is trying to pretend that Charles Hoskinson is writing anonymous messages. It's probably some parody on me of some sort, implying that I'm delusional or something of that sort. It's referring to the time before Charles started Ethereum and he and I had some brief interactions. But Charles (of IOHK, ADA, Cardero, etc) is big time now Mr. Haskell  (Edinburgh University, Philip Wadler, etc) of crypto. For those of you who understand programming language design (so then you understand Wadler is a significant person), could try to understand the significance of something I wrote this week. Haskell will not become the next mainstream programming language. Lucid might. Btw, click that link to Wadler is a significant person and you get a little surprise.

Anyone who speaks in terms of an "end" goal is ignorant of the fact that the Universe must be relativistic and without a definable end goal, lest we wouldn't exist in any sense other than a prescripted recording. I've explained why numerous times in my archives.

A technologist is always furthering the maximum division-of-labor which is entirely consistent with the fundamental law of thermodynamics which states that entropy (inexorably) trends to maximum.

There's no one goal. We're all working on slightly different goals. Some may share some like-mindedness.

@CoinCube, I disagree with the claim that top-down morass is a requirement for, or even a provably more, long-term competitive strategy. Go ahead and tie all your shoelaces together with your brethren.

I told you so. Exactly what I predicted yet again.

Ultimately unless he can conquer, enslave me, and force me to submit to his morality, then it's all hot air from my perspective. I will not attempt to pretend I know anything about his power over others, probably because I don't care to know.

Basically they're just all babbling idiots which I should ignore.

I'm generally more approachable when people don't speak down to me (and others). Dispensing with his absolute conviction about morality would be a start of someone I might be willing to absorb and contemplate. If he could recognize that what he is doing is analogous in some way to the very left he despises, might indicate to me that he is a smart and observant person with sufficient humility about the futility of absolutes.

I think generally most people just ignore and don't even bother to give such feedback. I should probably adopt that more invisible reaction.

In short, politics and religion is a battle over top-down control. Rather I just accept the world is diverse and I'm not going to be able to form a society of like-minded people. Ultimately economic arguments are what matters. I would probably be more interested if these dudes were telling me how I can be more competitive (and obviously gaming the collective will incentivize me to become less competitive).

I would be more interested perhaps if he was able to argue that conservatives are going to dominate the earth and so I better join them or else. I doubt such a convincing argument could be made successfully. Thus it's all rhetoric to play in the propaganda game of politics. The leftists tell me that I must adopt their morality or else they'll have the government destroy me. The conservatives tell me I have to adopt their morality else I will go to Hell. Basically they're both trying to intimidate me into joining their dysfunctional cults.

The don't throw your pearls at swine scripture comes to mind. Politicking is throwing feces at swine. If they had pearls, they'd be more circumspect.

I realized while writing this that I am not right, left, Libertarian, nor even min-anarchist. I'm apolitical. I'm a technologist. And I'm a man.

@realroach of course commodization of mining is nonsense. And Bitcoin will be entirely centralized at the Zionist end game, exactly how they planned it when they created Bitcoin. Where is that link to Szabo's federation theory of mining? I think it's somewhat true that the game theory of proof-of-work prevents a rogue whale/miner from taking 51% control to do abhorrent actions which destroy the system. Yet at the end game (which is perhaps decades from now) of the death of stored, fungible monetary value, all those whales are locked into a "one for all, all for one" top-down, totalitarian control system to try to sustain the value of their useless stored value units.

Now understand my prior post (the quote of my discussion with CoinHoarder) and my theme about the knowledge age is about where blockchains are going that the creators of Bitcoin may not have realized:


Yes because he was fungible (replaceable). That was the key theme of an essay I wrote circa 2012 or 2013, about why technology has the potential to move us beyond fungible investments and finance. It's difficult to own or finance creativity, because it's not fungible and thus can't be aggregated in economies-of-scale.

The "Zionists" (kings of finance and capture of the government with their economies-of-scale) may be at the end of their rope and taking all the collectivism morass down with them. Socialism was necessary for the fungible slave to have a bargaining position. Voting was superior to constant civil war.


Thus, another 10,000X gain may still be coming for the project which fulfills my knowledge age theme. Bitcoin may not be the last one we will see in our lifetime. The train may not have left the station yet.

Bruce Charlton once again is making up dogmatic bullshit. I don't feel any brotherhood with that overbearing Jew who thinks he knows what is right and wrong as if he appointed himself to be God.

The left and right are both trying to dictate morality. They both reach for top-down control, with the religious conservatives obfuscating their power trip in guise of religion being the absolute truth that everyone must follow lest we incorrigibles go to Hell and be disrespected in the Jewish or Christian circles.

None of them are following Jesus' wisdom in Matthew 6:5 to STFU and pray in their closet and leaving the judging about morality to God at the gate to heaven.

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Note James A. Donald flipped his stance:


Contrast the above comments on what gives Bitcoin value to the misunderstanding in the mass media:


Bitcoin is a PRIVATIZED reserve currency, store-of-value asset, not a medium-of-exchange! As faith in PUBLIC institutions collapses, Bitcoin is the new gold, precisely as was written in the original Bitcoin whitepaper. Which correlates with Martin Armstrong's 51.6 year oscillating shift between PRIVATE assets (e.g. gold and now Bitcoin) and PUBLIC institution assets (e.g. sovereign bonds). Real estate isn't entirely a private asset, because taxes have to be paid to the government, no one has an allodial title, and the government can seize the land for emminent domain.

Need to travel? Got gold? You're fucked. Trade gold for cryptocurrency is required.

Probably a genuine female hacker:

https://medium.com/@shelby_78386/enjoying-the-work-because-its-a-passion-and-not-just-because-of-the-workplace-environment-50c8f58d8de4

Note the author of the OP followed up and made his prediction/expectation of when the crypto winter will come more concrete:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2550946.0

He is permanently banned, so he is not allowed to post ever again. If he posts again, he will be banned again.

Notice upthread he did mention the possibility of $10,000+ and even $50,000.

Crypto winter if it ever comes could be due to any one of the following reasons:

It’s always a power struggle nearer to the top. He obtained the Bitcoin.com domain by some means (seems there was drama about that also). He is monetizing his assets, including his stature of being a BTC whale and a very early adopter.

Why are y’all not criticizing Adam Back for coming into the scene much, much later than Ver and doing the same bait-and-switch fooling everyone into thinking that they must have insecure SegWit instead of larger blocks, so that Blockstream/Core could remain relevant? (who needs Core if we only need to increase the block size!)

Ver takes the stance that Bitcoin is partially his baby and he is pursuing the more straightforward design which is closest to Satoshi’s protocol. Why do those arrogant jerks such as Gregory Maxwell get a free pass? Is it because you can’t see who are the million BTC opportunists who are behind Core, i.e. Maxwell makes you less jealous because he does not have that much BTC?

There’s actually a psychological reason that most of the fools would prefer Core. Jealously. Monkeys eat cucumbers without problem until another monkey gets grapes, then they go fucking crazy due to jealousy. So having Jihan Wu (the evil China man with ASICBoost hiding on every Bitmain miner), Craig Wright (the Satoshi imposter), and technological neophyte Roger Ver(ifried) as the Mt. Rushmore Three Stooges figureheads on BCH makes everyone feel about the same as they feel about Trump leading the USA. They’re jealous socialists who want the pie to be shared with everyone as Marxist, and obfuscate it as they are embarrassed or offended. Don’t you realize your emotions are being played like a fiddle. Push all the greater fools onto Core by inciting the jealousy and Marxist tendencies of the most people, then fleece those sheep. It’s always the same outcome for humanity.

I’m not arguing the opportunists behind BCH are any more noble than those behind BTC(Core/SegWit). I’m against your emphasis about personalities/motivations as a justification for speculation, investing, and such. We know that everything in crypto is corruption and opportunism.


BCH is the only one I know of which has the support of major miners and which is basically Satoshi’s protocol with an increased block size (and a faster difficulty readjustment to compete in the mining profitability war versus BTC’s slower adjustment).

I don’t champion BCH as a long-term or the best solution. I just think it is 3 - 5X better speculation at this time than BTC (especially now below 0.1 and at 0.07 recently, although it could possibly decline to $850 and 0.05 as the bottom which would increase the upside to 6 - 10X more than BTC).

I don’t champion any altcoin at this time. Everything has too many technological and game theory flaws. All I do is try to pick good speculations.


I think transaction fees on my project will decline to near 0, i.e. the cost of actually validating them! (But the game theory of this design needs to be peer reviewed)

It’s ridiculous the transaction fees of proof-of-work. I had to pay $30 to get my BTC transaction today to be confirmed within an hour. And the fees will be much higher before this BTC bubble is done. The issue of high fees is going to be another of the reasons the BTC bubble will collapse into a crypto winter.


Your $0.50 fee transaction would delay a day or more to confirm and this will get much worse soon.

You’re misleading the readers using the same sort of obfuscating deception that Core employs.

There are many reasons that we need our transaction to confirm within the 10 minute per confirmation period, such as doing a trade that the counter party has hedged and thus demands timely payment.

0-confirmations for coffee is not the only type of transaction that is hindered by an overloaded block capacity.


Nobody is going to successfully attack Bitcoin. Only SegWit donations would be taken (which are not Satoshi’s Bitcoin protocol) with a smile and thank you to all the retarded mofos who idolized Core.

Bitcoin will just keep humming along fine. No one that did not use an exchange nor SegWit, will ever have their BTC stolen by the miners. Only the willfully vulnerable mofos who use exchanges and allow SegWit lineage in their BTC are at risk, as they should be. They’ve been warned in this thread. No excuses any more.


I already told you upthread to read the thread title correctly. I never predicted that the SegWit attack would anoint BCH as Bitcoin.

The speculation on BCH is about its relative price rising as a consequence of for example BTC’s transaction fees skyrocketing and block period slowing to an hour.


BTC(ore) is also an altcoin. The benefactor will be Bitcoin(Satoshi), which can be downloaded at The Real Bitcoin Foundation. (No it’s not a joke, remember what Google’s website looked like at its inception, it’s designed to deceive viewers so they’ll remain willfully ignorant sheep they prefer to be)


Agreed. Which is why this entire scaling nonsense from Core has just been a power grab.

As I wrote upthread, I’m very grateful for the drama and trading opportunities.

Yet there’s one group that does care about making transactions with cryptocurrencies. Specifically those who are using tokens for something they want to participate in. They’re not in it for investment; yet maybe the investors also want in it.

And that’s why we’ll not quickly get significant adoption (other than speculation on the future) without onboarding to the masses onto some activity (which requires cryptocurrency) other than just speculation. Steem has been a very illuminating experiment and now a Top 1000 website, but the details are mucked up a bit.


The most significant potential use cases of tokenization aren’t to pay for things I normally pay for with fiat. Rather for new paradigms that fiat can’t be used to pay for. The ChangeTip Must Die argument is incorrect, because who wants to maintain 100s of subscriptions!

But tipping is stupid. Steem tried to workaround the problem by making tipping free, but of course it is impossible to make free what is not free. So users need to get something of great value they need, when they tip. Ah I’m tell you too much about my project design.


Sorry incorrect. Many reasons needed to send crypto transactions. I need fast and reliable crypto transactions. When BTC transactions slow down to an hour or more for the first confirmation, there will be a mad rush into BCH. We’ll see the price spike, and so goes the life of taking candy from babies.


Satoshi’s Bitcoin yes. SegWit I highly doubt it. It will die stillborn or die in a massive fiery donation festival.


Wishful emotions, not rational analysis. They of course are earning more REAL Bitcoin all the time on the game. Account for all that BTC they’re spending on the exchanges, which they will take back in the chain reorganization and bankrupt the exchanges they wish to. Do you think the Zionists don’t have a plan on how they will crater the exchanges which refuse to delist ICO tokens when they go for the collapse of BTC with coordinated SEC+G20 securities regulators to collect their CME shorts and take millions of BTC. The new EU securities laws go into effect Jan 1, 2018. The massive contagion is being prepared.

Lol. Observe the next months.

CME futures only closed for 60 minutes per day, except closed weekends.

Don't you think traders will close positions before the weekend or appropriately hedge across that gap every weekend?

Also don’t you think the margin requirements will be appropriately computed on the high history of volatility of BTC?

You seem to presume these folks can’t do math.

But maybe you’re correct, that the margin requirements for safety are too high for most to play. However, if margin is provided in BTC that would be less onerous, e.g. miners hedging.

Rebuttal:


As for the extreme volatility of BCH, it’s likely because of all the n00bs who dump it for BTC because they want to donate their BTC to SegWit’s “pay to anymore” (but they don’t realize this yet like most sheep they will fall over the cliff together because they’re only aware of what they’ve been told which is to stay focused on what the other sheep are doing).

BCH spikes because the BTC mining difficulty resets too high (and won’t reset for at least 2 weeks or even longer as the hashrate leaves and block period slows down), then as BTC declines in price, it is more profit to mine BCH and this can lead to a spiral over a multi-week timeframe because the block periods on BTC can become much longer than 10 minutes if most of the hashrate moves over to BCH.


That’s not analysis. That is sheep behavior.