Great to see Monero still peaking a lot of peoples interest.
The word you wanted was "piquing." But at least you spelled its homophone correctly.  I didn't actually know piquing was a word until you posted. Learn something new everyday - thank you!  |
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Great to see Monero still peaking a lot of peoples interest.
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The coin is bound by the code that makes up its codebase. As I will not be auditing all of the code there is going to be some trust in the developers involved here. David Latapie's state socialist views are a stain on this project, and he cannot be trusted around the codebase of an anonymous coin. If he is not involved in actual coding then he would be even easier to replace. I believe I have provided enough evidence that I am not a "troll", but it doesn't really matter. I haven't and won't mention any other coins in this thread (and haven't posted in any others).
In the end you owe me no satisfaction. I have and can drop the price....but only a little bit and the coin will recover or keep falling based on nothing related to me. I still hold significant amounts and will buy no more.....so I have no interest in trolling or creating that dread FUD. I am looking for a good exit, and will make sure I do so while turning a nice BTC profit.
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You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It's just common sense.
You still haven't addressed the issue I brought above concerning go wish upthread. It is impossible for far go to sustain orthogonal relationships with technological irregularities above the limit of up decided one to have used it or not. I have already solved the problem on that goes until. But I am far too busy to elucidate where half as much will go from far decision space on a parabolic axis. - Far to go more.
- Power consumtion not you?
- Orthagonal elucidation.
- I already did it!
Alas I must rest for a week now, but before I go I want to remind you not to forget what I haven't talked about yet. I think you're missing the point. there are indices yet to address which we need to factor into the vertex manipulation which will no doubt result in a bilateral view of this whole predicament. In layman's terms, we should direct our energy toward the pruning of such ridiculous hyperbole from an otherwise unique technical and scientific standpoint in order to progress and further our collective understanding of each node of an otherwise complex and fragmented system element. |
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This algorithm has power consumption than x11 not you?
Indecipherable gibberish. Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? I for one have done just that. I think it's a great idea and we all need to get behind it. |
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I feel Monero is rapidly heading into the "user-friendly" proportion of crypto users. Not everybody is comfortable with CLI wallets and we need to accept that. When a good 95% of other alts out there are Qt-based - with a nice shiny front-end GUI with logos and taskbar icons and cross-platform compatability for use on shiny MacBooks, Microsoft Surface tablets and desktop Windows units, which users know how to use and abuse - when these users are then confronted with Monero - a (at first glance) CLI-only wallet, I don't think anyone can blame them for being surprised. I was, when I first opened the wallet, and I use CLI every single day at work. I think the cries for an official GUI are warranted - those users who have no technical background and are only into cryptos for the trading aspect are not going to appreciate the CLI interface. The sad truth is there are a lot of users who come from this background. The high rollers with the huge BTC wallets are those users. Day traders and investors are often not technical - they come from banking, stocks and shares professions. They may not have the time nor the patience to get to grips with the CLI. They just want something that works and works well. Qt (for the most part) provides that and I think Monero is loosing out a bit in that regard.
This is my opinion, this isn't fact. Whilst we can say "learn to use the CLI" or "just go and get the unofficial .NET or Qt wallet" that won't stop people who don't have the time/don't want to use an unofficial client abandoning Monero. Usability is a huge factor in any product when it comes to uptake from the consumer. The wallet being CLI-only isn't a problem as such but it is something to discuss long-term. If we don't want to attract users that don't want to learn how to use the CLI then who do we want to attract? And does that then mean that Monero is only for a certain user group and not for everyone?
Points to mull over I suppose.
There's still a ton of work to be done till this is remotely feasible. Can you imagine if we had the world's most beautiful cross-platform wallet right now, but to use it you need several gigabytes of available memory, and it'll max out your 20mbps line? Moreover, if Monero is to be treated by users as a private, secure, untraceable cryptocurrency, we need to be more certain of those three aspects. We are reasonably assured right now, but there is still a great deal of cryptanalysis and threat modelling that is lacking due to the inherited reference code. We cannot be lackadaisical with this, as it is other people's money we will be putting at risk. Edit: that's not to say we aren't actively working on things that improve usability, but there are fundamentals that are more important before we can focus on - and drive - usability. I understand this may be at-odds with other cryptocurrencies who are given the silver platter of 5+ years of Bitcoin development by forking it, but we do not have that luxury. Absolutely, and fundamentally this is why Monero is a much different coin than the other alts that exist atm. The approach is completely different and this is why things are done in a different way. I'm all behind the way the developers have chosen to do things and I think that tackling the important aspects to nail down what Monero is is a very good strategy. I'm supportive of this, but I can see why those that are less familiar with the coin and those who haven't been around as long as I have might jump to conclusion regarding it. I have no complaints and no gripes with how the coin is being developed. I think it is the right way to develop a coin that is privacy and security orientated. I think my post might have had a bit of an anti-Monero tone to it and I didn't mean for it to - I think I was just launching off onto a mini rant about useability and not taking the wider context - but fundamentally, I think Monero is heading in the absolute right direction for what it was designed to achieve. |
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Checking Github is all fine and good, but we should also take into account that not everyone will be able to understand progress by checking a dev repository. I think that it is consensual that the average user has a bit of a learning curve to deal with when first getting into monero as it is, so I kindly ask that we all try to be as friendly as possible to any newcomers and newbies. Confession: I find it difficult sometimes to distinguish newcomers/newbies from the more elaborate/graceful FUD posters (if there is such a thing). The former deserve our inclusion efforts, the latter, well, we should just ignore them and appreciate the thread bump ~ Myagui +1 to this. I feel Monero is rapidly heading into the "user-friendly" proportion of crypto users. Not everybody is comfortable with CLI wallets and we need to accept that. When a good 95% of other alts out there are Qt-based - with a nice shiny front-end GUI with logos and taskbar icons and cross-platform compatability for use on shiny MacBooks, Microsoft Surface tablets and desktop Windows units, which users know how to use and abuse - when these users are then confronted with Monero - a (at first glance) CLI-only wallet, I don't think anyone can blame them for being surprised. I was, when I first opened the wallet, and I use CLI every single day at work. I think the cries for an official GUI are warranted - those users who have no technical background and are only into cryptos for the trading aspect are not going to appreciate the CLI interface. The sad truth is there are a lot of users who come from this background. The high rollers with the huge BTC wallets are those users. Day traders and investors are often not technical - they come from banking, stocks and shares professions. They may not have the time nor the patience to get to grips with the CLI. They just want something that works and works well. Qt (for the most part) provides that and I think Monero is loosing out a bit in that regard. This is my opinion, this isn't fact. Whilst we can say "learn to use the CLI" or "just go and get the unofficial .NET or Qt wallet" that won't stop people who don't have the time/don't want to use an unofficial client abandoning Monero. Usability is a huge factor in any product when it comes to uptake from the consumer. The wallet being CLI-only isn't a problem as such but it is something to discuss long-term. If we don't want to attract users that don't want to learn how to use the CLI then who do we want to attract? And does that then mean that Monero is only for a certain user group and not for everyone? Points to mull over I suppose. |
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I'm long time lurker too, want to ask why is a new update taking so long, is there trouble in development? are more donations needed? other coins are getting ahead (CLOACK, BOLBERRY...)
someone seems a bit paranoid How the f. is my question paranoid, I bought a lot of XMR 2 months ago and I check the forum from time to time, Im just curious about the development + I dont own only XMR. Well, this springs to mind: I'm long time lurker too, want to ask why is a new update taking so long, is there trouble in development? are more donations needed? other coins are getting ahead (CLOACK, BOLBERRY...)
That to me seems like someone is a bit over-edgy about the status of this coin. I don't think anyone who wasn't paranoid would immediately jump to those conclusions. |
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I'm long time lurker too, want to ask why is a new update taking so long, is there trouble in development? are more donations needed? other coins are getting ahead (CLOACK, BOLBERRY...)
someone seems a bit paranoid |
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any roadmap for a graphical interface?
There are several GUIs already out there.. |
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cryptsy makes no sense. they accept all those shit/scamcoins, but havent added monero yet. Im done using that exchange until they do, onto Poloniex!
Been with Polo since day 0, back in the days of Vert and CACHe. I've never once had reason to move away from them, they are fantastic. Would highly recommend them. |
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I'm going on a 3-week holiday today, so the development will be paused from my side for now. If I have the opportunity, I'll try to answer questions here as soon as possible. I wish I could go on a 3-week holiday!! |
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Just done that for you now. |
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1337ETH? Seriously?
I don't get it. Is 1337ETH a secret code? 1337 is leet speak for "leet" which is a colloquialism for "elite". In other words, only 13 year old Counter-Strike players refer to things at 1337. |
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One thing I will say is that the ethereum team really knows how to engage, market, and create awareness, along with being very strong technically. Very impressed with their technical achievements, but also equally impressed with their website and ability to market and make the currency easy for the average non techie to purchase. One of the most professional websites I've seen for any alt coin project as well. For that reason alone, they are likely to get a lot of attention, and attention equals dollars, and dollars equals hiring more devs. Pretty virtous cycle that XMR should have but doesn't seem able to make happen. They have already sold over 1 million USD worth. Maybe that's about the right time to look into another direction: Etherium (ETH)
The Ether guys just started the pre-sale, and I'm wondering how you all think about this new coin and its presale. Some quick questions/points from me side:
- Will ETH be a threat to Monero?
- Is the presale (2000ETH per BTC right now) a reasonable investment chance? (I couldn't find an upper bound on the coin supply for the presale.)
- Is there a chance that ETH will make it against Mastercoin and Counterparty?
- Would Bitshares-X (similarly Bitshares-PTS) be a better investment? (ETH and Bitshares seem to share some goals, e.g., decentralized organisations/companies, etc.)
Regards.
OMG: Read this blog post by Vitalik Buterin (one of the main dudes behind Etherium): https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/07/22/launching-the-ether-sale/Some of his points made: - The price of ether is initially set to a discounted price of 2000 ETH per BTC, and will stay this way for 14 days before linearly declining to a final rate of 1337 ETH per BTC. The sale will last 42 days, concluding at 23:59 Zug time September 2. - The annual issuance rate is 0.26x the initial quantity of ether sold, reduced from the 0.50x that had been proposed in January. [...] We make absolutely no promises of this, except that the issuance rate will not exceed 26.00% per annum of the quantity of ether sold in the Genesis Sale. - We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development. This reads like a birthday party for the devs. Bring all your BTC and we start OUR party. You get some totally weird coins/promises in return. WTF! Also, the shortcut, ETH, is funny, because it relates to the well-known university in Zurich/Switzerland which has nothing to do with the whole thing. To me, the Etherium project seems more than odd. (In addition, check out this Etherium related website www.ursium.com, yet another site without any real content or information.) ADD1: Honestly, I hoped Etherium becomes something good (I would have liked to invest), but now I feel like Alice in Weirdo Land. ADD2: Just found this statement on the official Etherium website: "EthSuisse will not place a cap on the number of ETH that can be purchased by the community." WTF! ADD3: "EthSuisse will restrict any single entity, person, corporation, or group from controlling more than 12.5% of the total ETH sold by the end of the Genesis Sale." WTF!! EDIT: OK, I stop here. I can't take it anymore. Etherium could be (become) one of the biggest ripoffs in the crypto history... without me. 1337ETH? Seriously? |
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These guys are brilliant!  |
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We've had the troll wars, now we have the crypto-expert wars! False dilemma? I have no idea what you mean? |
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We've had the troll wars, now we have the crypto-expert wars! |
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Quite interested in having a purely OpenCL miner. I know Claymore is OpenCL, but it only works with AMD GPUs. The Intel HD series of GPUs are very poor I know, but they too utilize OpenCL - for those of us that are hoping to squeeze every little last bit from our systems using the onboard GPU would be very advantageous.
So you mean that I can use both AMD GPU and Intel HD graphics for mining on one computer? And your CPU, yes. They are separate devices with separate resource pools, despite the Intel HD GPU being on the same unit as the CPU. I have read up on it and other coin algos have miners for the Intel HD series and the use of it doesn't impact the CPU mining speed. Miner for Intel HD? Rough estimate on h/s on 4000/5000? on scrypt, gpu mined slower than cpu. but probably using less power. Can confirm pretty much the same metrics. It's slower than CPU but can be used at the same time. Seems a bit silly to be having idle processing power |
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Quite interested in having a purely OpenCL miner. I know Claymore is OpenCL, but it only works with AMD GPUs. The Intel HD series of GPUs are very poor I know, but they too utilize OpenCL - for those of us that are hoping to squeeze every little last bit from our systems using the onboard GPU would be very advantageous.
So you mean that I can use both AMD GPU and Intel HD graphics for mining on one computer? And your CPU, yes. They are separate devices with separate resource pools, despite the Intel HD GPU being on the same unit as the CPU. I have read up on it and other coin algos have miners for the Intel HD series and the use of it doesn't impact the CPU mining speed. |
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