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Nice design, shows fluent in movies too.
I just couldn't find a guide about the game anywhere, I'm not familiar with this dice game so I'm not sure how it'd work.
Also, a demo-like experience with fake balance would be great.
We're glad you like our design! Have you found our F.A.Q.? They're listed in the "Rules" section which you find on the bottom panel.  I'm asking because we're giving a short advice on how to play the game, I'm wondering if the explanation needs to be improved for a better understanding.  - F.A.Q. snip -
How to play?
Saikorotable consists of three dice which are rolled on every turn.
You can bet on the following occasions
Number of points occuring
Total value of all dice
Any or specific Triples
High/Low total value
Even/Odd total value
The Payout for each field is shown when you place a bet. By the way, to find the faucet simply click on your balance shown at the bottom - this may change in the future since many users are having problems finding this section. It is basically not a dice game but it is a modified/simplified sicbo game, you may try to find more info about how the game works by googling. Indeed it would be better if there is a "How to Play" on the site so new comers who do not know about the game are able to learn it on the site directly. There are some removed betting options from the original sicbo games on this site such as specific double combination and specific number combinations. You can try it with the faucet though, so fake balance is not needed at all since you can claim the faucet even you can win real money if you are lucky enough from the faucet.
Bitinity is right, the game indeed is a modified version of sicbo. Thanks for explaining where to find our faucet. The location really needs a change. I looked at the plans you guys have in the pipeline for future developments, see blow
'These are some of our plans on which we're currently working
- Advanced hotkeys
- Advanced statistics
- Tipping system
- Chatbot
- Private messaging
- Friends/Ignore list
- Live-Support via chat
- Achievements
- Commission & referral system
- More aesthetics,
but it seems that so far there's no focus on the market. Is this something you regarded as trivial and is that why you did not include it in your list? My take on this is that you need to get people in to try your website as only then you'll truly learn what the customers want. I hope you're considering marketing/advertising if not then you should in my opinion as there's no point on working on things you think are helpful if there're not relevant to the your customers.
I can take your fear, we surely have lots of plans regarding our marketing - this is what we studied for years. Advertisement is costly and will follow as soon as we hit a certain 'version' with our website, there are some features I want to implement before I'm happy to pay for campaigns. Referral links will follow too, so people can advertise on their own and be rewarded for the generated traffic. Investment options are also planned, pay into our bankroll and receive a percentage of our profit. |
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We're back online! We banned alot of IP's which were acting aggressively. In order to protect against certain kind of attacks we introduced an update requiring users to have made at least one payin in order to trigger withdrawals. (Custom error message following) The Max. Profit is currently lowered quite a bit but will rise back to it's old value in a short while - we had to move some money. If no further interruptions will occur I'll add the provably fair code next. (Needs a minor beauty tweak first) Cheerz! Edit: The faucet sadly had to be lowered to 5 sat. This might change again, the current purpose is more security on our side. |
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Due to a massive attack we're offline for a few hours to implement further security. As soon as we're back online I'll update the post. Stay tuned! |
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Edit: I checked the withdrawal and couldn't notice any unusual activity. What is your username?  OP has replied to your previous post and I think he or maybe his team is working to fix it now, indeed waiting is something annoying but that's all you can do now. Wait till OP post to confirm that issue is fixed then you can try to withdraw your money, keep trying when OP is not confirming that it is fixed already then high likely you'll get the same. We're sorry about the time this currently takes. Our bankroll attracted a few people pushing the limits, this helped us finding flaws but delayed our actual plans.  In order to gain more control of this we're improving a lot of our backend. My partner has made some neat frontend updates though, feel free to check out the new UI on mobile - you're now able to play anywhere on the website  He also fixed the popup height problem and now displays the deposit address as a whole as some people didn't get the cropping of the textbox. Edit: I also fixed a minor bug related to the chat. A few symbols caused a message not to be send, we're now taking care of everything. |
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I will take care about this, please give me a little more time as some inventive guy actually found a flaw which needs to be fixed first of all. I won't forget about this. The current transactions fee of 3000 satoshi is hardcoded, if in any case the transaction fee is higher than 3k we're paying the missing amount from our bank.
In any case you own 13k and withdraw 10k you should end up with 0.
Hardcoded means that 3000 satoshis is a fixed transaction fees, no matter what amount of withdrawals. If in cases, users require withdrawals that have more than 3000 satoshis in fees on network, the site will pay for the rest fees as kind of supports for users on the platform. Do I understand your clarification correctly? Correctly. Currently you'll always pay 3000 satoshi on any withdrawal, no matter what amount you're withdrawing. |
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Its clear that you are tending to withdraw an amount which is higher with your current balance.Try to adjust it up deducting also that network fee.Just have a time to read up instructions for it to go through. I tried to withdraw the minimum amount, but nothing positive came out of it. constantly gives the same error. proff: https://imgur.com/16qvhVyYou have 13k satoshi on your balance and you tried to withdraw 10k satoshi but failed because the system says that you try to withdraw higher amount than your balance so I guess there must be something wrong with the withdrawal system. You can try to contact the site's representative about this issue or you can use the contact support available on the site, I don't think the site will scam you for that small amount of money.
I just checked the site again, it seems that the faucet is gone. Previously I could find the faucet under the Account tab but now it is missing, is it moved to other place or it is indeed being removed for a reason? First of all I want to apoligize for any inconvinience, we didn't have too much time lately that's why everything felt a bit freezed. Don't worry about your balance, we won't scam anyone, our reputation is really important to us. The error were receiving shouldn't occur in your case, we were doing some backend work over the last days so there is a chance that you had bad timing but I will check out the logs to find the exact problem. If you're still having problems withdrawing your balance let me know and I'll manually send you your funds.
You have 13k satoshi on your balance and you tried to withdraw 10k satoshi but failed because the system says that you try to withdraw higher amount than your balance so I guess there must be something wrong with the withdrawal system. You can try to contact the site's representative about this issue or you can use the contact support available on the site, I don't think the site will scam you for that small amount of money.
Do you think of potential cause from transaction fees/ withdrawal fees? If total balance is 13k satoshis, and that guy want to withdraw 10k satoshis; what if withdrawal fees (required by the site and by bitcoin network) exceed 3k satoshis. For example, with withdrawal fees are 4k satoshis; after subtracting it, total available balance for withdrawal will drop to 9k satoshis (not 10k satoshis, as that guy imagined). I do not know real reasons (who knows), but I guess it is the highest possible reason. The current transactions fee of 3000 satoshi is hardcoded, if in any case the transaction fee is higher than 3k we're paying the missing amount from our bank. In any case you own 13k and withdraw 10k you should end up with 0.
I hope this new gambling site will be competitive and do a more improvements . Anyway what I really like to Saikoro is the mobile friendly because I play sometimes to my mobile phones and I encountered in the other gambling site are log hope this site will works for me smoothly and alsp the chat room who have different languages so they can talk to their own language.
We're aiming to improve all the time, currently the only bottleneck is the time available. I'm glad you like our mobile distribution of the game, check back from time to time as we just added some major changes on the layout and gaming experience.
Once a site set a fixed withdrawal fees, logically it wont exceed to higher amount. In this case, the site charge 3000 satoshi so players wont be charged more than that although the bitcoin network requires higher fee. I have never experienced such exceeding withdrawal in many sites. Exceeding withdrawal fees happens on site without fixed fee only IMO, so the fee is always changing based on the latest bitcoin network. So it is not reasonable if the site has fixed 3000 satoshi but it charges more than that.
panjul07 is right, this is exactly the way it's working. If you had any issues feel free to direct contact me!
I'm pleased with the site outlook, it has a classic look and the dark colours are not interfering too much with the gaming visual and because of the choice of colour scheme it gives you the feeling of a combination of Roulette and Dice which I think works well.
I haven't tried out the games yet mainly because of the faucet not being available as I usually like to test the waters first, maybe this is something you can consider as feedback.
Thanks for the kind words, we're glad you like the design. A faucet is available and always will be, simple click on your balance and a menu containing the faucet will open.
Yes, the dev of this site should at least provide a faucet where a potential player can use to test the features of their gambling site. He can give at least enough for testing and playing so players can get the feel of using your site.
Try clicking on your balance to open up a menu containing the faucet. Since many players are experiencing problems finding the faucet we're planning in moving it somewhere else - I'll let you guys know when any changes are happening.
Here are the list of possibilities, all bad. 1) Withdrawal system does not work. Very bad. 2) Withdrawal system was not tested and has bugs. Very bad. 3) Bitcoin balance is less than the requested withdrawal amount. Very bad.
Unless we have a better reason for these failures? The withdrawal system was intensively tested and should work fine, I haven't checked the logs so sadly I can't say anything concrete at the moment but I will let you guys know what the problem was. This indeed was a behaviour that wasn't expected. |
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Judging without checking is not a good review specially for a new online casino in the gambling industry personaly when checking their website I'm shocked for seeing their good design if the team maintaining this platform plus good marketing strategy this will bring more player for short period of time.
Thanks for your kind words dark08 We will give our best to improve throughout all times! The feedback from you guys is really important for us and lays the path for our future. |
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Hm. Still no provably fair algorithm. Very disappointing and shady. How hard is it to copy code that you already have and paste it here or on the site?
I would be careful with this site - it is basically not provably fair.
Sorry for taking longer than you expected. Since our team only consists of my partner and me our time can be quite limited - we're both working as web dev's and run a family too. We'll implement the sourcecode for sure, please stay tuned. From what I can see, it does use provably fair. Go to the main page, look in the lower panel and click the first link which says Fairness, you will see you are given a Client Seed and a hashed Server seed. You are given the option of changing the client seed, so its definitely provably fair.
I haven't gone thru the manual calculation and testing if the actual seed works but I would assume so. My guess is the site is hard to navigate for some people, especially on mobile so maybe you had trouble locating this but its definately there.
We're definitely provably fair, but yoloer808 has a fair point - since we're currently not distributing our game code people are not able to recalculate the games themselves. This indeed is a huge problem but I will take care of it as soon as I get back on the code. Please check back and you'll find the required sourcecode soon Yes I think that was intentional and a lot of newer dice sites are trying to differentiate from the others in terms of their animations. Some try for cooler looks, others go for realism,,, but like you said, in the end, dice players like their dice to be fast as possible. This is actually the main factor for dicers because they mainly, like me, go for martingale so they need thousands of rolls to happen asap.
Have you tried out disabling the animations under the "Settings" tab? I have currently limited the requests to 1/sec in order to prevent flooding. Let me know what you think about it. Disappointing to see some people jump to conclusions without even checking everything properly. yoloer basically presumed this is a scam since he did not bother scanning the entire page thoroughly giving the wrong impressions to people.
Not every site is a scam and people need to be careful before expressing themselves since this could affect the site in a small or big way. It is good to see that a faucet is available now on the site and the op is listening to our feedback.
Thanks for keeping my reputation clean, I'm giving my best to communicate everything we're doing/planning on this thread so people know what's going on. We're definitely not aiming to scam anyone, we're hoping to establish our own business instead of working as hired web dev's. With the time the changes will come, hopefully people stay tuned to witness them. |
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Actually for this time when you tried to open some new site, you should really consider about the bankroll here. It seems like you do not care about players here by giving out so little amount of money for your bankroll. People really like to play on new site but to think of that they can only make a small bet here and have the potential to lose away big money here will never benefit them. Betting 1 btc can only win 0.001 but you can lose 1 btc. This is pretty ridiculous thing. Try to get more bankroll in the mean time, open investment will be the best one
Indeed, we're aware that our bankroll is quite small, we're hoping to able to increase it via investors. (Still needs to be implemented though) Your plans and idea is good and I think the team still currently focus on working to improve sites and I think they are successful because the sites is already better & good.
Thanks for the kind words. We're giving our best to improve throughout all times. Which part of them you mean succesful and already better & good? So you mean their site was bad?
Anyway, i just want to give my opinion about your max winning amount, it's really too low, if a gambler lose more than your max winning, he can't win his losses back in 1 bet
A hard cap limit will be implemented soon, you won't be able to bet more than we can pay once you win. Combine roulette and dice actually something new for me and i had try it use the faucet and there is no lagged during use your site everything went to smooth however i had recently reading the FAQ and this is interesting because the amount to withdraw and the fees is quite low compare to other casinos approximately 1000 satoshi but the withdrawal fee higher than it 3000 satoshi for every transactions
Thanks for the kind words bering. The withdraw fee will be adjusted in near future. I'm a fan of "keeping fees low" in order to keep the fees in general low, but I'm still looking for the best median to use. Chances are good that the fees will be lowered quite a bit. The website looks very nice and is not stuffed up like some would do. But it seems like you don’t have much players yet, cause I checked the today’s All bets list on the website and what I’m seeing is just one person that has been playing and the last play was around 11:49 or so, which is like over two hours now. You need to be promoting the website and also giving out some free offers to attract people to play with it. Cause if you’re just going to post it here and forget about it, then the site is as good as dead. Try to promote it, treat it as a business if you want it to be one. By the time you reach a certain level, you wouldn’t need to do much of the promo work anymore.
You're right, we're still missing traffic and players in general - we're currently planning an affiliate and investment-system in order to boost our bankroll and traffic in the future. Attracting new players and increasing our bankroll is definitely in our focus. I checked this site out and was surprised that it looks pretty decent. A few things in your main post where you have the url "http://...." change it to "https://..." so it goes to the SSL.
I've tried it out on mobile and was pretty easy to navigate. However it took me a while to find the faucet first, maybe make a direct link somewhere to the faucet. Basically for anyone that can't find it on mobile, just tap on your balance and click the 3rd button from the left, basically the hand holding the BTC.
Also I don't know if this was intentional or not but when you tap "PLAY!" you see the 3 dice rotating and it takes like 5 seconds to get the bet to actually process. Its fine at first but after a few hundreds of bets people won't like the delay, maybe make the delay 1 second instead to prevent any bots.
Either way good luck.
Thanks for the hint, I will change it. There will follow quite a few updates regarding mobile presentation, there are still a few points we're unhappy with. You can disable the dice animation on the settings (gear button), it should be faster then - tell me what you think about it. The delay is the effect of the animation, so probably adding an option to disable the animation will be better so players can choose whether to see the animation or not when playing. Just like in other sites that has an animation on their game but they have an option to disable the animation so players are getting instant bet.
I have to agree with this one, faucet is like located in a hidden place so move it to (maybe) the next to balance without clicking the account tab is better.
There already is an option to disable the animations, check out the "Settings" button (Gear icon). Let me know what you think about it. Since we got this feedback a few times already we're planning in moving the faucet/withdraw/deposit/transactions buttons to a more visible place. Stay tuned. |
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Well, a pop-up warning is definitely better than simply a like somewhere in ToS. I don't mean the possibility of someone winning the whole bankroll, of course! I was talking about limiting the maximum bet in the way so that you can afford to make the full payout to the player.
And as for a bigger bankroll - have you considered accepting investments? Like, when people can give you their money that'll go into the bankroll, and they'll be receiving a certain percentage of money from the bets people lost to your casino. As you're new, I guess some might find it suspicious and risky, but maybe, later on, it could attract people and be beneficial both for you and for investors.
Accepting investments is planned but not implemented yet - an affiliate system too. |
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Site looks good. Check the provably fair, and you have no verifier and no provably fair code. Can you publish the exact provably fair code you use, so users can verify their bets themselves? This is a very basic standard, without which you cant gain any traction.
You're right, the code will follow quite soon. You'll find it in the "Fairness" section once I'm done. |
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just do the hard cap limit on the max win , like windice does ,for example if you are trying to bet and the resulting win exceeds the max profit , you get a notification and the bet cannot be resolved and crypto gambling foundation takes time to respond , it is true last time I checked bitvest was on the list , now it is not , but the sun didn't fall on earth because of it so do not worry too much about the foundation and focus on improving the site Later today & tomorrow my partner will start working on the frontend requests, the hard cap limit and UI improvements are what we're now focusing on. Thank you for the example, stay tuned. |
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Concept is fresh. I like that. What I don't like is the UI. It looks like you had mobile design in-mind when creating this, which is great. But for any resolution above ~1550px width, your buttons get so ludicrously big compared to the dice that it looks very off.  (width capped to 650)
Moreover, the gradients could do with a bit of a touch-up. It's very unfitting with the rest of your site's aesthetic. One more thing to note is that your provably fair, rules and settings sections should have a higher height. If you're going to be scrolling, at least let the view of the canvas expand past a couple lines. It's fine if it just covers the screen: they aren't going to need to see the game page when they're reading up on rules/provably fair. The fingerprint as an account button is kind of unintuitive. The fact that it also redirects you to another page is a bit of an annoyance. (and that there's no "game button" where instead you have to either click at the top or the "redirect" button). There are also some typos in your rules tab. Examples include "we can proof it", "beeing"
I also don't see you on the Crypto Gambling Foundation's home page despite you having it in the bottom-right corner. That's awesome feedback, thanks for taking the time. I will let my partner know about this since he's coding the frontend. All this fine tuning makes me happy. Edit: Regarding the CryptoGamblingFoundation I'm not sure if they're still up running? I wrote them a week ago but nobody seems to be answering.  Took the logo out for now, tbh I thought this wouldn't take long. |
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Lots would be pissed off.Gamblers would lose up the entire 0.1btc when they lose a bet and when they do win they do receive 0.001? What in the world on having this system.
Lets say that this is 1% of the bankroll but it should really be adjusted up automatically basing up on maximum bets to be placed.
I will take care of the problem. |
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I bet people will be pissed off by that. If one bets 0.1 BTC with a 50% chance of winning and wins, one is supposed to receive the payout of 0.2 BTC. Can you imagine how mad a person would be if one received only 0.001 instead? I think it will be a big improvement if you simply make the maximum bets adjusted to your bankroll so that you can pay out the full reward every time a person wins.
As for the website - it's simple but kind of nice. And I liked the animation of the dice.
Good luck!
We thought lots about this problem, at some point we considered a pop-up as warning but the decision ended with the amount displayed right under the play button. The real improvement would be a bigger bankroll. Something we're working on too. Sadly I can't offer our whole bankroll as possible profit on every game. Coding such a possibility destroys the whole safety mechanism for the casino to survive highrollers. It's essential to limit the possible profit. Errr, my apologies, it doesn't seem to show me that on mobile, in fact the site really doesn't like my mobile phone. But I see that fine on a computer.
I think that the maximum bet should be adjusted for the max payout because that's gotta sketchy don't you think? If the most you can win per roll is currently 0.001 that's like $10. That means people's bets should be satoshis or close too it. Since a 100x payout the max bet would have to be 0.00001
We're currently hotfixing, the website is in 'inactive' mode and will be booted once we're done. That's why everything is shaded. Shouldn't take too long. Can you explain your idea of limiting the maximum bet? If the idea is good I can implement it. |
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I don't agree with your terms and conidtions as listed
"What is the maximum bet?
There is no maximum bet - your payout is limited to the bankroll"
That is simply not true, it cannot be true, you, your site, has a maximum amount they are able to payout and still cover all of players' deposits, why not publicly list your bank roll? Is it because this is one giant ponzi scheme?
Maybe you misunderstood something, I will try to explain it. Our bankroll is public - under the play button you'll find the current maximal profit you can earn with the next game you play. As stated in our FAQ we limit the maximal profit on each game to 1% of our bankroll. At this moment users can win up to 0.00117562 BTC on a game, which means our bankroll currently holds approx. 0.11756200 BTC. There indeed is no such thing as 'maximal bet', if a player would deposit 1 BTC right now and then bet 1 BTC on "high" and win, he would get his 1 BTC + 0.00117562 BTC back. (We don't reduce the money betted, only the profit.) Cheerz! |
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the site's terms and condition has to be changed from Lori ipsum this is funny to see a casino based on a template that doesn't bother to change one of the crucial documents on the site besides you should make it less restrictive for the players who just want to browse the site first it is either you register or you do not get anywhere further , oh you can read latin in the T@C section if you are a big fan of dead languages You're right, my partner said the same thing not long ago - I'll change it with the next update. You currently find our Terms under "Rules" once you're logged in. The restriction has lots of benefits for the backend and is currently planned to stay - if this turns out to be a mistake I guess I'll have to jump in the sourcecode. Thanks for the feedback! |
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Sorry if I missed something but I cant make multiple bets in one bet because there is always a pop-up "place your bet" whenever I click one bet option. If I removed the pop-up then what I have chosen previously is gone. So how to make multiple bets i.e I want to bet on several numbers outcome and some triple outcome? A bit confusing for me to be honest.
Also removing the pop-up bet amount placement and make it like common bet placement in other sites would be better IMO. It is just a bit annoying to see pop-up bet placement anytime we want to make bets.
Faucet is available already on the site, so please check it first then you'll find it although the amount is just 10 satoshi but at least you can try the game for free.
Are you trying to place multiple bets of the same kind? Because that won't work. Did you remove the bet pop-up by clicking on "Submit" or hitting Return? Otherwise if you pressed ESC, clicked the 'X' or outside of the pop-up it will close without saving your bet. Best is to always Return. Have you maybe got an example of the bet placement you're talking of? We thought a lot about the pop-up, since we're offering 31 different options to bet on it's hard to get rid of them without flooding the site with textfields. Maybe integrate lightning network also for the deposit and withdrawal so small timers can play on your site. At least such payment method will only have a very small fee for transaction charges. It might help you in gaining players.
Also, if you can afford in the future, maybe run a promotional campaign like signature campaign here in the forum or other social media campaigns that will expose your gambling site to the public.
We're running our own bitcoin node in combination with sockets to ensure a fast connection. If this turns out the be inefficient I'll definitely take a deeper look. Thanks for the advice. Just checked out the site. Looks simple overall and I like the black look. Feels like a blend of Dice and Roulette which is a pretty good combination. Unavailability of a faucet to test the waters is a weak point.
I do agree with the others that a faucet needs to added asap. What I liked is that a minimum wagering amount is not required to chat with others unlike some other sites. I also like how all the rules have been specified in an easy to understand manner.
Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad you enjoy our creation. A Faucet is already implemented and can be found when you click on your balance - currently 10 satoshi with a 15 minute cooldown. The rules will receive a style update in the future, but I'm happy you're already familiar with our looks and structure. The chat will also be improved soon, I have lots of features planned to make chatting something to enjoy on our website. |
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The game like a combination of dice, csgo roulette and sicbo which maybe the first one in this bitcoin gambling industry. It is an innovative game IMO, at least it is not just a plain dice game or plain roulette game. Welcome to the bitcoin gambling industry dude, to be honest it is a good start already by offering a unique game although it is not completely new as it is a combination of three different games but I can say that it is an innovative game. I think it may have very bright future if you can manage it properly by having great marketing management. Good luck with your site, maybe making the way to play simpler than what you have now would be better and let users place several bets in one bet like what we can do in roulette or sicbo.
That was motivating! Thanks for the kind words. It is already possible to place several bets in a single game - technically you could bet on everything that's existing in a single game. Cheerz! |
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Yes it wont really be that easy.My suggestion? Put up a faucet then next,focus on marketing stuffs to increase exposure.
We got a faucet running on the website. You find it when you click on your balance. |
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