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They claim that their coins were stolen. The same way I could claim they are lying about this to FUD monero. They can't prove I am wrong and I can't prove they are wrong. I haven't heard from any credible member who got his coins stolen from mymonero. Most often rather new accounts are claiming their monero got stolen. I have been very lax on security measures with a few mymonero wallets just to see if someone is gonna steal them. Nothing got stolen in the past 2 years. The main takeaway is, don't trust webwallets with any coin. It is not like people ever stated that webwallets are secure. It is just reckless behaviour on the side of the user to use them anyway . There are more secure alternatives available. I'm sure there are a few Fudders but due to the shear volume of accounts hacked I doubt it is all bullshit/phishing or poor SECOP. I believe I know what it is but I've warned of it for years and no-one has taken me serious so whatever I could care at this point. Using any Webwallet for any amount your not prepared to lose is dumb, there have been credible members that have lost coins years ago and warned the community so if people don't listen then thats their problem. Also I see a concerted effort to keep these reports shuffled away and ignored. I have never seen an official release of proof of any investigation and/or resolution to even one theft. I think Birr has been waiting for 2 years for an explanation other than we don't keep logs. I can't remember what it was you warned about. Are you talking about the theory that cloudfare could be responsible for the thefts? Seems like there was a short discussion about this possibility at reddit a couple of weeks ago - https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/7tc3za/a_theory_regarding_the_randomly_reported_thefts/I went through past posts about the thefts and you are indeed right, there were some credible members who got a lot of money stolen from their mymonero wallet. Maybe closing down mymonero wouldn't be a bad idea at this point in time? If I remember correctly, Fluffy already suggested to do this in the past, but some people were against it. But now we have more options for storage and with the impending release of the "official" android/iOs/hardware wallets, mymonero wont be needed anymore (IMO). |
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They claim that their coins were stolen. The same way I could claim they are lying about this to FUD monero. They can't prove I am wrong and I can't prove they are wrong. I haven't heard from any credible member who got his coins stolen from mymonero. Most often rather new accounts are claiming their monero got stolen. I have been very lax on security measures with a few mymonero wallets just to see if someone is gonna steal them. Nothing got stolen in the past 2 years. The main takeaway is, don't trust webwallets with any coin. It is not like people ever stated that webwallets are secure. It is just reckless behaviour on the side of the user to use them anyway . There are more secure alternatives available. |
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Are you still working on a (alternativ) solution for debit card refunds? I mean for the people without access to a bank account.
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Maybe people were impressed by fluffy's talk at the conference and want to get in as soon as possible.  |
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Spielt der Zeitpunkt überhaupt eine Rolle? Ich denke mal, dass alles unter einem Jahr von Finanzamt genau überprüft wird!
Ja, sicher alle überprüft vielleicht. Aber der geschätzte Gewinn dürfte noch höher ausfallen. Ich als Finanzverantwortlicher würde in diesen Amnesiefällen unterstellen, der Betroffene hätte fortan mit den Coins Daytrading betrieben und damit Gewinne erzielt wie man halt so in den einschlägigen Kreisen berichtet: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2384378.0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K798nyZIUXMAlso Faktor 10 in 6 Monaten, sicherlich im Rahmen der Haltefrist, also genähert 19 facher-Ausbuchwert als zusätzlich zu versteuerndes Einkommen angesetzt. Viel Spaß dann mit dem Erinnern... Das habe ich mir auch schon gedacht, aber müsste dazu nicht auch ein Vermögen vorliegen, dass auf trading hinweist? Wenn ich zum Zeitpunkt A 5 Bitcoin und zum Zeitpunkt B 4 Bitcoin habe, aber den Weg der Coins dazwischen nicht mehr nachweisen kann, können die mir doch nicht (glaubhaft) unterstellen ich hätte in dieser Phase zB 50 Bitcoin gewinn gemacht? |
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Does Korea wanna ban crypto completely or just regulate it? I imagine that a complete ban will affect crypto in general no?
It seems, that it was misinterpreted by media. They probably just want stricter KyC/AML regulations ( Source) |
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Habe einiges zB. Waves in Fiat gekauft da ist mir alles klar sobald ich die wieder in Fiat zurück über ein Jahr Steuerfrei sind....
Aber mein größtes Problem ist ich habe vor lange Zeit BTC gekauft, habe sie mit Trading und ICOs vervierfacht, und jetzt beginnt meine Frage sind die nach einem Jahr Steuerfrei (wenn ich die jetzt einfach liegen lasse min. 1 Jahr) in Österreich?
Was ist eigentlich mit der Anzahl an BTC die ich vor langer Zeit auf Bitcoin.de gekauft habe, "eigentlich" gibt es die ja nicht mehr!? durch die Trades an den Börsen... würde ich die jetzt auf BTC von der ursprünglichen Adresse auf Bitcoin.de zurücküberweisen und sie auf dieser Adresse oder Bitcoin.de (möchte ich eigentlich nicht machen) liegen lasse?
Wie gesagt im schlimmsten Fall gehe ich immer von 27.5% Steuer aus....
Als Beispiel: Du hast damals sagen wir mal 10 BTC für 100 EUR gekauft. Deine Ausgangsbasis wäre in diesem Fall 1.000 EUR die du investiert hast. Danach hast du sie per trading und ICOs vervielfacht, dabei has du deine verschiedene Coins zwischen Kauf und Verkauf nie länger als 1 Jahr gehalten. Am Tag X entscheidest du dich alles in BTC zurück zu tauschen und hast nun z.B.: 100.000 EUR in BTC. Du hältst diese BTC 1 Jahr lang und durch die Preissteigerung sind deine BTC nun 1.000.000 wert und du verkaufst alle BTC für EUR. Steuern müsstest du dann für 99.000 EUR zahlen, die du mit trading und ICOs gemacht hast (Vorausgesetzt du hast deine verschiedenen coins, mit denen du die 99.000 EUR Gewinn gemacht hast, nie länger als 12 Monate gehalten). Die 900.000 EUR, die du während des durchgehenden halten über 12 Monate gemacht hast, wären jedoch Steuerfrei. Das ist jedoch nur meine Interpretation des Gesetz als Laie... Kann eigentlich nur empfehlen das mit einem Steuerberater zu klären. Idealerweise sollte dieser schon Erfahrung mit dem versteuern von Cryptogewinnen haben. |
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Hallo zusammen,
ist das nun fix wenn man über 1 Jahr wartet dass die Gewinne steuerfrei ausgezahlt werden?
Aber jetzt angenommen ich halte z.B. NEM und um diese auszubezahlen muss ich die ja in BTC umwandeln.
Beginnt dann die Haltezeit von neu?
Das wäre ja ein Irrsinn ?!
genau dazu hätte ich auch gerne eine Antwort, die Frage habe ich mir auch schon gestellt, aber bisher nichts brauchbares gefunden :-/ Bin selber Laie, also kann ich nur meine Interpretation des Gesetz wiedergeben. Wenn du deine NEM in BTC wechselst und diese BTC zu dem exakt selben Preis wieder verkaufst machst du ja keinen Gewinn mit BTC, somit keine Steuer. Wenn der BTC Preis zwischen dem Wechsel von NEM -> BTC und dem Wechsel von BTC -> EUR nach oben geht und du deine BTC dann für diesen höheren Preis verkaufst, müsstest du die Differenz als Gewinn versteuern. Da ich schon sehr lange Hodl und nur tausche wenn es sich richtig auszahlt, ich lebe nicht von den Kryptos... Habe ich so gut wie alles (da bereits mehr als 99% Gewinn sind in € gerechnet) habe ich alles zu versteuern... Meine BTC um einen Spott Preis habe ich alle auf Bitcoin.de dazumal verkauft... Auf was du hinaus willst durch das Tauschen unter den Währungen, muss man den einzelnen Gewinn auch wieder versteuern... Wenn ich an meine IOTAs denke und den gestiegenen BTC Preis seit 1.5 Jahre, ist da ja auch wieder so gut wie alles zu versteuern... Die 27.5% werden mich noch mal schwitzrig machen 🙈🙈🙈 oder eher weinend, wenn man mehr Steuern zahlt als man im Jahr Brutto verdient😱😱 Könntest du deine Frage/Aussage bitte etwas klarer formulieren? Wo genau liegt dein Problem? Hast du deine Coins nicht länger als ein Jahr gehalten, bevor du sie gewechselt hast? |
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Hallo zusammen,
ist das nun fix wenn man über 1 Jahr wartet dass die Gewinne steuerfrei ausgezahlt werden?
Aber jetzt angenommen ich halte z.B. NEM und um diese auszubezahlen muss ich die ja in BTC umwandeln.
Beginnt dann die Haltezeit von neu?
Das wäre ja ein Irrsinn ?!
genau dazu hätte ich auch gerne eine Antwort, die Frage habe ich mir auch schon gestellt, aber bisher nichts brauchbares gefunden :-/ Bin selber Laie, also kann ich nur meine Interpretation des Gesetz wiedergeben. Wenn du deine NEM in BTC wechselst und diese BTC zu dem exakt selben Preis wieder verkaufst machst du ja keinen Gewinn mit BTC, somit keine Steuer. Wenn der BTC Preis zwischen dem Wechsel von NEM -> BTC und dem Wechsel von BTC -> EUR nach oben geht und du deine BTC dann für diesen höheren Preis verkaufst, müsstest du die Differenz als Gewinn versteuern. |
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Wow. Nearly half a billion USD volume in the last 24h  Yay!  |
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As I am looking for technological sound coins and don't want to just trade for profit:
- Technological soundness/viability = is it something that is really needed in this world or just fancy gimmicky without proper real world use
- Ideological and not profit/greed driven developers that have a pragmatic approach, so no premine/instamine, no ICO, no hype
- Open source/Community driven
Sadly, only few coins get a pass after considering these 3 factors
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It seems to be a very huge improvement as its the 3rd stage of Ethereum Cycle
From what i read
- Block time will be reduced and optimized
- POS integration time by time
- More flexibility of Smart Contract?
- Zero knowledge protocol
Is this the main benefits of it?
It is very possible that ETH might break the $400 ATH if the Hard fork are successful i guess
IF the hard fork is successful the the ATH could be achieved. ETH has been pretty quiet and down a lot from its previous ATH and is due for a pump right now I think. Price shouldn't dip below 0.06 BTC, if it does due to panic sellers then it is probably a good short term decision to pick up some coin. The price is around 300$ , the ATH was around 400$. 25% down from ATH is not a lot. The longterm chart shows a double top, with a possible triple top in the making. Also, next generation coins are coming out soon, so maybe ETH wont beat its own ATH for a long time(if at all). But thats just a rational view of the situation. We all know that irrationality plays a big part in cryptomarkets.  |
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It nearly touched the weekly MA20 (currently around 2900USD) today and bounced back from there. A sign that the bull trend may not be over yet.
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Hey, I hope RingCT 2.0 happens, HW wallet too (although I'd be surprised to see finished code anytime soon). But I don't see anything here that will drive the price up in the short to medium run. If so, the price in BTC risks falling down to the old price range of 0.0017-0.0040. If that happens some slightly enlightened soul will probably just fork this into a new coin with a new community willing to do what it takes to get all the pieces in place. I seem to remember Fluffyponzi saying something about monero being a research project. I had no idea how literal he was.
Oh, and regarding your disappointment in troll quality. Top Trolls don't waste their time on lower tier shitcoins. I've never been much of a fan, but a lot of people I respect believe in this coin (or at least they did until the fluffyponzi stunt). I'm kinda awestruck at how little is done to attract new users. GUI wallet needs to be polished and everyone here needs to kiss some serious ledger ass to get that hw wallet support asap (The friggin Trezor drama was amazeballs stupid) or this coin will die. If these things fall into place, and market cap and liquidity gets a bump up, it can find some real use cases in finance. If not it will lose to an xmr clone, or even zcash. That's if it hasn't lost already to Dash (yeez!).
Now that's a perfect example of simpleton troll fud, calling Monero a lower tier coin and spicing it up by saying how little work has been done with a pinch of dash and zec promoting ... They usually do that when they place their bids low, we'll prolly see more of similar BS in coming days  Yeah, criticism is fud. Gotcha! Maybe if you made constructive criticism people could work with it? You basically just said that you don't think that current developments like multisig, mobile wallets, kovri and the recent problems with tracing bitcoin transaction/blacklisting/darknetmarket busts will have any positive impact on XMR in the short/medium term, without explaining why. I think I dropped some clues in there. I reread your post. The only clue I can see is that the things that are already happening (putting work into making the user experience better/easier) should happen faster? Sure that would be nice, but considering how young XMR is (a bit over 3 years) it is understandable that things take longer. It is easy to think things happen too slow in the moneroverse, because most other altcoins release their "stuff" faster. But that is mostly because the bitcoin protocol is already over 8 years old and most altcoins use that as a basis. Look at where Bitcoin was after 3 years and compare that to where monero stands now. Then you say monero is a lower tier shitcoin without really explaining why. Of course the community is trying to attract new users (GUI development, Mobile wallet development, informative videos and presentation, meetups, etc). Or do you mean it is a shitcoin because it doesn't try to pull wool over the eyes of the people like dash/zcash/eth and a lot of other projects are doing?
Beyond what I've already said I tend to lash out when people calls me a fudding simpleton troll. Just a suggestion. Maybe if you worded your concerns in a more constructive manner, people wouldn't react the way they did? It is really easy to misunderstand how someone meant something when you only have written words on a screen.
We'll see. XMR isn't a smart contract platform. It needs traders to keep the wheels spinning.
Which smart contract platform doesn't need traders to keep the wheels spinning? Sure, smart contracts are a nice idea and will be useful in the future, but do we really "need" them? Do you really think a fungible currency like XMR is useless right now? I'm not going to take the whole smart contract argument with you other than that xmr, unlike a smart contract platform, is dependent on market cap and liquidity to be useful. You can run a smart contract with a cheap token just as easily as with an expensive token, but you can't send $50 million fiat-xmr-fiat and expect anything near $50 million to reach the receiver. So yes, I do think xmr is useless right now. And no, I don't think "a fungible currency like XMR is useless". That's the point. I agree partly with you on the smart contract part. To keep it short: Yes marketcap isn't as important, but if nobody trades the coin and nobody has a usecase for smart contracts, the coin will die. Right now I don't see people buying into ETH or other SC platforms because they need to use them for the smart contract feature. That was my point. Your $50million example may hold true right now, but that is only one specific case. Not everybody is gonna want to sent $50million fiat-xmr-fiat today. A lot of current users of Monero have much less than $50million in wealth, so for them it is useful. Sure liquidity must rise to accommodate wealthier people and if you look at the MCAP development over the past few years, you can see that XMR is on its way to make that happen. Good things take time. |
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Hey, I hope RingCT 2.0 happens, HW wallet too (although I'd be surprised to see finished code anytime soon). But I don't see anything here that will drive the price up in the short to medium run. If so, the price in BTC risks falling down to the old price range of 0.0017-0.0040. If that happens some slightly enlightened soul will probably just fork this into a new coin with a new community willing to do what it takes to get all the pieces in place. I seem to remember Fluffyponzi saying something about monero being a research project. I had no idea how literal he was.
Oh, and regarding your disappointment in troll quality. Top Trolls don't waste their time on lower tier shitcoins. I've never been much of a fan, but a lot of people I respect believe in this coin (or at least they did until the fluffyponzi stunt). I'm kinda awestruck at how little is done to attract new users. GUI wallet needs to be polished and everyone here needs to kiss some serious ledger ass to get that hw wallet support asap (The friggin Trezor drama was amazeballs stupid) or this coin will die. If these things fall into place, and market cap and liquidity gets a bump up, it can find some real use cases in finance. If not it will lose to an xmr clone, or even zcash. That's if it hasn't lost already to Dash (yeez!).
Now that's a perfect example of simpleton troll fud, calling Monero a lower tier coin and spicing it up by saying how little work has been done with a pinch of dash and zec promoting ... They usually do that when they place their bids low, we'll prolly see more of similar BS in coming days Yeah, criticism is fud. Gotcha! Maybe if you made constructive criticism people could work with it? You basically just said that you don't think that current developments like multisig, mobile wallets, kovri and the recent problems with tracing bitcoin transaction/blacklisting/darknetmarket busts will have any positive impact on XMR in the short/medium term, without explaining why. Then you say monero is a lower tier shitcoin without really explaining why. Of course the community is trying to attract new users (GUI development, Mobile wallet development, informative videos and presentation, meetups, etc). Or do you mean it is a shitcoin because it doesn't try to pull wool over the eyes of the people like dash/zcash/eth and a lot of other projects are doing?
We'll see. XMR isn't a smart contract platform. It needs traders to keep the wheels spinning.
Which smart contract platform doesn't need traders to keep the wheels spinning? Sure, smart contracts are a nice idea and will be useful in the future, but do we really "need" them in the short/medium term? Do you really think a fungible currency like XMR is useless right now? |
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I think this pump will end soon, irrationality levels are off the charts. A lot of shilling is going on and the hype seem to have peaked. I wouldn't be surprised to see eth going for 500$ in a last big push, then a slow bleed for the next year down to 200-250 if not more.
Since there is better technology being developed right now, I don't really see a reason to hold it long term.
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Who would thought Fluffypony have so much influence on Cryptospace. His statement crashed whole Crypto and market cap went from 90 billions to 60 billions.
I wouldn't call it a crash yet. A big correction was overdue. correlation ≠ causation |
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Without any big bad news coming out now, I think this is just a big correction after a big run up, not a crash+long bear market like we saw starting in the end of 2013/beginning of 2014 due to China+Mt Gox.
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I also think his stunt is hypocritical by the way, and I think he fucked over "monero enthusiasts" a lot more than the "pump & dump" crowd, because the pump& dump crowd is probably playing the market really well right now and making a ton out of these 25% price fluctuations.
Aren't "monero enthusiasts" into monero because of the technology? Yes, but they like money too. I didn't say he took the tech away from them. But the pump & dump crowd benefitted more from this. You never know which longterm effects this will have. True, longterm effects are hard to predict. I hope people learn from this and really think about why it happened they way it did. And what each one of us can do, to not let something like this happen in the future. I think it would be unwise to only blame fluffypony. Everyone who was affected by this has some responsibility for what happened. |
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If people weren't greedy , this whole thing would have gone differently. If people would have just waited until they knew what the announcement is about, nobodies finance would have gotten hurt.
That is an absolute "untruth"! I didn't change anything coming up to the "announcement" that I wasn't doing regularly. A bit of swing trading buying dips and selling peaks but miniscule amounts like 100-200 monero at a time. Maybe in your eyes. For me it is the truth, because I see daytrading as greedy behaviour. But I hold a fair amount (for me) and the loss of value of my holdings was excessive, like almost a year's salary!
So, how does that not hurt!
If people waited, there wouldn't have been a pump this size and there wouldn't have been a dump this size(most probably). So how would you have lost money? |
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