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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 09, 2014, 11:34:56 PM
Does anyone have any insight on why the net hashrate is so high?

Currently the "official pool" is hovering around 2 MH/s, while the net is in the upper 40's MH/s.

Are there some people really that bullish on wampumcoin?

I'm just sitting back and watching the "battle".  Perhaps it's staged.  I don't know.
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 09, 2014, 05:44:30 AM
I must say I saw this 5000 thing differently than most. It was in plain sight so not stealing since we could mine solo or not at all so our choice. Since the pool is being run by the developers I assumed that they were short on Wampum and needed to raise some for development. To be perfectly honest all the messing around with the pool (1%, 25%, 1%, 25%, 2%, then just 5% off the top) has really hurt Wampumcoin. There used to be a pretty good bunch of reliable miners that were all scared off by this consistent monkeying around, myself included.

I disagree that it was in "plain sight".  I stumbled upon it by accident because the payout numbers seemed strange to to me.  In fact, if you look at the round data about the time this mess started, you'll see it is very screwed up, almost as if someone might have been monkeying around trying to cover the shenanigans up and was having trouble doing so.  After it a bit it looks like they just gave up and stopped trying to make look like 100,000 coins were distributed and let it display 95,000.

But I agree with your thoughts about their motivations.  Why?  It just seems so stupid. 

Still, I don't like it when people try to cheat me, even if there's no money or real value involved.  It's just part of human behavior.  People get mad when cheated.

Can the coin be salvaged?  I don't know.  Like you said, trust is an issue, but I'm willing to consider proposals. 
3  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 08, 2014, 03:04:25 AM
wampumcoin.com and wampumcoin.com/support works fine for maybe they're redirecting your ip? (kidding!)

btc dr.

It's working now.  Yeah, I considered they might be blocking me, but I tried it from another location with the same result.  It's happened to me a few times since the "managment" change.

Whatever it is, it looks like their web provider "suspends" the site occasionally.  I won't speculate why.   Wink
4  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 08, 2014, 01:18:02 AM
im on both the site and the mine now?

I'm talking about their main site, not the mining site, where you're "officially" supposed to communicate with them.


5  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 07, 2014, 10:15:48 PM
Man
can you please contact them at their support like they keep asking you to or let it go here?
they explained to me that there was a hospitalization and he was simply unable to get someone in there to resume, thats why nobody answered. i understand if he didn't want to say "i'm ill".

btc dr.

What for?  Their site is suspended again, anyway.

People have the right to discuss and question things in the open.   Some issues just have to be brought out into the open.

Wampumcoin.com management has had no problem posting private transcripts to facebook trying to "shame" their suppliers and the previous dev of Wampumcoin, so  I don't understand why they expect any special right not to be questioned openly on their behavior.

If the guy is ill, I hope he feels better soon, but it doesn't excuse the pattern of behavior we've been seeing.





6  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 07, 2014, 01:58:51 PM
And you need to stop being so argumentative and hard to please. I know the numbers exactly.

I didn't not say there were 46 miners during that period. I said "No one mined all 39800 blocks, but lets say you did", "An even split to be sent to everyone who mined for the period of missing coins would get you over 4.3 million coins."

That means we're sending every account this amount to settle things. I told you I would send the coins and then some. And I'm asking you one more time to stop accusing me of skimming, cheating, or stealing because that is not what happened.

Peter

If you know the numbers exactly, then you can distribute the coins exactly.

Please explain to me how your taking coins off the top of each block without telling anybody, and then not doing anything about it until confronted about it isn't theft.
7  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 07, 2014, 11:50:46 AM
Hello Nincehelser:

Your last block share with us was in block 137745 for 144 shares or 5.99% of that round.

Blocks 100000 to 139800 = 39800 blocks
5000 missing coins x 39800 blocks = 199000000 coins
No one mined all 39800 blocks, but lets say you did.

An even split to be sent to everyone who mined for the period of missing coins would get you over 4.3 million coins.

I've sent you 4,325,000 coins to your address with the pool.

If any one else has any questions, please contact us at http://wampumcoin.com/support

Kind regards,

Peter


You need to do the math properly.  I know in the last couple weeks that you've been skimming coins that there weren't anywhere near 46 active miners (199/4.3).

You also need to look at the percentage distribution for each round.

There usually were only ONE TO THREE miners involved.  Not 46.

All you need to do is step through the rounds results.  It will tell you who mined and their percentage distribution for that round. 

There's no reason you can't audit the data and properly compensate the individuals involved.
8  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 07, 2014, 03:18:55 AM

So I'll end this by saying again, please, the coins were not stolen, and it's not a maybe. You'll get your coins and then some.

Peter

We'll be waiting.
9  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 07, 2014, 03:16:16 AM


  some good points are raised, but could we please end this flaming fud and seek a direction that would benefit ppl

thank you  Angry

  i want to see everyone with a big pocketfull of WAM. i think it has a great potential as a convenient spending currency, wish there were more than a dozen or so mining it ....  Undecided

Agreed.  We need more miners.  Small miners would be best as it was the original intent.

Like I said earlier, I don't understand how the block-chain integrity can be maintained otherwise, especially when mining runs dry later this year.

10  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 07, 2014, 03:03:09 AM

"a readiness to believe things". Credulous. So I said YOU WERE NOT, but you're all over me about a dictionary. You can dish it out, that's for sure.


I know I am not.  Again, I have to question your understanding of the English language.  Do you not understand connotations? Maybe that's the reason people have problems with understanding you?  

The problem is that you've proven yourself to be untrustworthy by taking 5% of every block reward without telling anybody.  That's not a fault on my part.  It's a fault on yours.  Normally I'm willing to give people the benefit of the doubt that they are trustworthy, but you've proven yourself otherwise.


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As for name dropping, I didn't object to my people dropping them, because they're based on 100% absolute truth and for the crap us four little guys Smiley were dealing with I was like "tell it". But, as you can see a little, I have no problem with saying "I was wrong", or "I apologize, let me make it right" if I'm convinced it should.

It's more than just name dropping.  It includes the wholesale cutting and pasting of private conversations that's questionable.

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I don't think that a lot of long term businesses like to spend a lot of time logging in to a 3rd party system to defend itself or do damage control and when they can't make it, it's held against them. I've seen it happen to some successful sites here who had to subsequently get away and went on to be successful and spend their time bring productive in other areas. And I think that's what happening here. Perhaps I'm wrong.

You wouldn't be having to do damage control if you treated people ethically and didn't steal from them.

If the coins weren't "stolen", then you should have no problem with returning them.

11  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 07, 2014, 02:20:31 AM
You didn't deserve that, and I feel sorry for clumping you and anyone else who didn't deserve it into such a heap. Will you accept my apology?

On that and that point only.  As for the rest of the issues, your actions will speak louder than words.
12  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 07, 2014, 02:15:21 AM
And speaking of failing to mention, I failed to mention that the reward is now fixed. Back at 100,000.

As for returning the short, is that something you've calculated or do you need for me to do that for you?

Peter

Like I said, it's in you database in the round data.  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you can query and manage your own database.
13  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 07, 2014, 02:12:58 AM
"Everyone" I thought no one was mining. Exactly who was mining is easy to find out, and giving far more that 5000 per block is just as easy.

Yes, it should be very easy for you to find out who was mining and what theri percentage for each round was and make appropriate restitution.

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Credibility? So it had some? So the coin wasn't completely worthless?


The coin still has some credibility, however, your pool has a lot less now due to your management and theft.


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What, should I say that the bounties that were posted were directly tied to this but I just got back from vacation and realized that it had been erroneously been left out? Would it matter?

Not at this point, no.  Too little.  Too late.

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By your tone I won't bother to explain because you have not been very credulous about anything from the start.

It's been clear from your tone and actions that you wouldn't explain.  You've outed yourself untrustworthy.  Good luck getting that back.

Is English not your native language?  Of course I "have not been very credulous".  I am not gullible.  I am not naive.  I am not credulous.  I suggest Bitcoin Corp invest in a good dictionary and use it.

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I've noticed that no matter how the different personalities attempt to explain, things were either taken out of context or simply was not liked. Hell, you sounded like you aimed to beat my ass for getting your named twisted in one of my previous messages, but I thought maybe you didn't really mean any harm, so I thought levity would be ok. I was probably wrong from your point of view, I'm sure it will be ok.

I've seen how your company posts private conversations and uses the names of others inappropriately.  I do not want my name used in a similar manner.

14  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 07, 2014, 01:45:14 AM
Didn't mean to make it seem as though I was singling you out, nincehelser, it's just that I've seen your name so frequently that it was the 1st one I thought of, seriously.

Maybe that's because I want to talk about some of the real technical issues with this coin

But then I guess I'm just a "rapist" miner who's supported this coin from nearly day-one without selling is all.  I'm not deserving of answers.   Roll Eyes



15  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 07, 2014, 01:23:37 AM
Brad...
Wink

The 5000 coin deduction was me. Even Brad did not know. Know for certain that some of your have no concern for the coin outside of profitable off it's fluctuation. You pretend you're done with it, but we have the ability to read the over-all network hashrate so I know that my effort to get rid of the rapists from our pool worked. So, with house cleaning, we'll start over.


And why did you start taking 5000 coins off of every block without telling anyone?  Don't you understand that is not ethical?

Your little ploy of theft didn't work.  Your deceit was noticed.  You didn't save the pool from "rapists".  You destroyed its credibility.

Now how about refunding everyone you stole from the past few weeks?  I won't hold my breath.





16  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 07, 2014, 12:58:31 AM
And nincehelser, etc.


If you're going to mention my name in particular, you had better have a direct quote.

Otherwise, keep my name out of it.

17  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 06, 2014, 09:56:22 PM
I gave up mining this coin ages ago.  It isn't worth anything and has been sitting on the exchange for months with no one buying.

That was most likely the smartest move to make.

I see no future in this coin, but it's fun to sit on top of huge pile of play-money!

Except when the electric bill comes due!!!

True, but I've placed my rig where I would need an electric heater anyway, so it all sort of works itself out.
18  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 06, 2014, 09:30:17 PM
I gave up mining this coin ages ago.  It isn't worth anything and has been sitting on the exchange for months with no one buying.

That was most likely the smartest move to make.

I see no future in this coin, but it's fun to sit on top of huge pile of play-money!
19  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: July 06, 2014, 09:09:19 PM
Wow, just wow.

I thought the old dev's f***ed up wampum coin, this management 'team' is taking it to a whole new level...

This forum is one of the cores of crypto currency, not your own forum, blog, or facebook or twitter.  If you can't be bothered to come here and take a little heat, and proof-read your posts, then you don't deserve to have the community confidence in your coin.

+1

very well put.

From this, and all their other "achievements" as the marketing pros they are, it is quite obvious that they may see Crypto coins as a "coupon" or "voucher system" but fail to get the nature of their own Wampumcoin. So good luck with that...

+2

They never did answer my question about the missing 5%.  It's still missing.  I guess they didn't expect anyone to notice.

It looks like most folks have caught on, though, and left the pool to mine elsewhere or solo.

According to my calculations, mining should be long over before the end of this year.  What then?  With no miners and no incentive to mine, what's going to support the integrity of the block chain?  One guy and a couple of GPUs?   Roll Eyes



20  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WampumCoin [WAM]/Wampumcoin.com Announcement update on: June 30, 2014, 03:44:30 PM
[Insert Exploitative here]!


That's a really, really poor choice of words given the current situation.   Shocked

Definition of EXPLOITATIVE

:  exploiting or tending to exploit; especially :  unfairly or cynically using another person or group for profit or advantage <exploitative terms of employment> <an exploitative film>
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