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And of course this topic will end without any answer or help, thank you very much and shame on you either!
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Withdrawal received. Duelbits its not a scam!
I am very happy for you, proof that the duelbit cares about its players as well. I hope Betcoin does the same!!! |
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His name is Rui Francisco and live in Vila franca xira (Portugal) His first telegram account: https://ibb.co/8c254RyFirst of all, I regret this situation! It's always very annoying to suffer a blow. I'm from Portugal and I also spoke with him via telegram and here on the forum. Since I never gave him much confidence and so I did not analyze the conversations and information indicated by him. When I learned about this topic, I went to analyze the information I have, to see what I could help. And making a more careful analysis of the way he wrote, despite not being a bad Portuguese, it was a very careless way. Which is not normal. As I said at the time, I understood that, but I didn't care, because he never asked me for anything either. He also told me that he was from Vila Franca de Xira, but honestly, I have my doubts. His telephone number associated with the Telegram is +31 687767940. This is not a Portuguese number. I hadn't noticed it before, until today. This is a number from the Netherlands and I found other information that regrettably indicates that it is possible fraud: https://opgelicht.avrotros.nl/forum/handelsites-bv-marktplaats-en-ebay-f26/s-r-wilkens-uit-middelburg-t34326.htmlToday I still tried to talk to him via Telegram, but he didn't answer of course. I regret not having more information to give. But if I can help with anything else, just say so. Thank you so much for trying to help! I said goodbye to that money for sure. If I need more information I will write, thank you very much! And beware of this scamer |
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No, I certainly didn't ask him to open an account on 1xbit or betcoin... as a Portuguese citizen he can open an account on their bookmakers which are very good and there are several, and he already had open accounts in all bookies becouse he bet too. All are regulated by Portuguese law, and they can not void bets or close account as in online bookmakers, especially those who have a license in Curacao (99% are fraudsters, everyone knows that). Who is a little longer in the world of betting know what it means and how much such bookmakers are worth.
I met another Portuguese who also had problems with him, and he told me his name and city where live.
I met one Russian here, we made 2.5k profit in a week, you can hear his experience if you don't believe me.
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@BetparafI never withdraw anything from betcoin.ag this was my first withdraw ever. @Poker PlayerSuspicious? Do you suspicious when someone is honest and guarantees for themselves by giving their money? I have already met few peoples on this forum who are honest and I sent them money in advance, if you are interested in their experience I could send you their name on the forum so contact them and make you sure. Does betcoin have any proof that i broke the rules? Let them give only one proof and i will give up immediately! @Slow DeathSs i said in the reply above i met someone from the forum to whom i also sent money forward, and everything was great, we made 2.5k profit in 7 days! And don't worry we certainly haven't played at stupid betcoin.ag Why is betchoin in favor? Have they proved something here? You are asking me for some proof and my account is closed and I can't enter it, I don't know what you expected, to take a picture of each of my tickets? Are you crazy? Say whatever you want from the evidence i will give you. Have you ever heard of limiting your account's maxbet to $ 5? You see, all my accounts are like that, and I don't want to open duplicate accounts and cheat, I have nowhere else to play, so I tried to find people who have good bookmakers and can bet for me.
Show exactly what I did wrong
"So that I can cheat better next time." Again, this is a known player, who has been previously banned at least twice. We would never withhold funds without certainty. A deposit refund is not due in this case, as he has received more than his deposit back on his other accounts. This is the recommended action by SBR and other leading 3rd party mediators. If the player would like to bring his case up to a 3rd party mediator, we would be happy to provide the clear, ample evidence to them and abide by their ruling. Additionally, last time we closed his account, we warned him that if he continued making accounts, the deposit would be seized, as that is our only deterrent in cases of malicious abuse, such as this. We have him on record agreeing to this resolution on a previous account. If you have any questions about this player's character, please review his other open accusation. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5380569.0We chat 2 weeks about bookmakers and he offered me very good sites, to bet together.
After a while i got a little trust in him and we wanted to start betting together, he asked me to send a deposit and i agreed.
Yes i send him money to bet, like deposit from me, to be safe....
Why would he need to send someone money to place bets for him? Why is he not able to place bets for himself? Obviously, there is more to this scheme than he is letting on, and while it is certainly unacceptable for the other party to have run off with the money, what they were attempting is against the rules of nearly all sportsbooks. We strongly encourage any player with a dispute to contact a reputable third party mediator, who will listen to both sides and make a ruling based on the evidence given. As far as this forum goes, we hope our reputation speaks for itself. We would certainly never do anything to break the trust of our many users, and we pay out much larger amounts than this all day long to legitimate users. Thank you. I am not able to place bets from my accounts because thieves like you have closed my account or lowered maxbet to $ 5 at other bookmakers, shame on you! As soon as someone makes money on your thieving bookmaker you immediately limit accounts like all other bookmakers. Are you talking about honesty??? Give one proof only that I cheated and I will send you 5 more ltcs right away Let's all get together here on the topic to do one video interview, to prove it all to you?
And of course this topic will end like this. Without an answer and without any proof of my cheating [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
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Show exactly what I did wrong
"So that I can cheat better next time." Again, this is a known player, who has been previously banned at least twice. We would never withhold funds without certainty. A deposit refund is not due in this case, as he has received more than his deposit back on his other accounts. This is the recommended action by SBR and other leading 3rd party mediators. If the player would like to bring his case up to a 3rd party mediator, we would be happy to provide the clear, ample evidence to them and abide by their ruling. Additionally, last time we closed his account, we warned him that if he continued making accounts, the deposit would be seized, as that is our only deterrent in cases of malicious abuse, such as this. We have him on record agreeing to this resolution on a previous account. If you have any questions about this player's character, please review his other open accusation. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5380569.0We chat 2 weeks about bookmakers and he offered me very good sites, to bet together.
After a while i got a little trust in him and we wanted to start betting together, he asked me to send a deposit and i agreed.
Yes i send him money to bet, like deposit from me, to be safe....
Why would he need to send someone money to place bets for him? Why is he not able to place bets for himself? Obviously, there is more to this scheme than he is letting on, and while it is certainly unacceptable for the other party to have run off with the money, what they were attempting is against the rules of nearly all sportsbooks. We strongly encourage any player with a dispute to contact a reputable third party mediator, who will listen to both sides and make a ruling based on the evidence given. As far as this forum goes, we hope our reputation speaks for itself. We would certainly never do anything to break the trust of our many users, and we pay out much larger amounts than this all day long to legitimate users. Thank you. Hahahahha why to send money to someone to bet for me? Why? Maybe becouse im not making multiple account and not have where to bet anymore? Maybe im tired of scamers like betcoin.ag ? Which know player am I? I have problems only with fraudulent bookmakers like you, 1xbit, 4444sports and the like! Why have I never complained about fortunejack or stake? Because they are 10 steps above you! It is no longer a question of money, but of pride! I will not give up until you prove me cheating!
@Slow death Yes something is wrong with me, I trust this forum and members too much. And i try to withdraw 148 cltc, its 1.48ltc Do you really trust Platinum III member of your casino will try to cheat with multiple accounts? I even use same username for all bookmakers (you see in upper right corner few letters, its enought to betcoin guys know) https://ibb.co/6rJQnJZ[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged] |
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PS: in case he's serious about paying you 200 euros each month, wouldn't that be something you could accept? who knows he wants to redeem himself? but I was thinking how would you have a guarantee that he would pay and I can't think of anything
It looks like he's a serial scammer because the second person received similar kinds of messages, meaning he could probably be doing the same thing to many other members I also don't understand how OP trusted a complete stranger with 1,263 Euro. He seemed really honest, we talked for 2 weeks, I sent him 500 first and everything was ok, after one hour rest and he was gone hahah. is there any other information about him? maybe this user @ TryNinja can have more information about him, I saw in the scammers historical post that he was talking to @ TryNinjaBy the way, don't you consider accepting his offer to pay you 200 euros a month? if you get in contact with neteller and skrill I believe they will forward this case to the police and block his account He already spend money and neteller/skrill can not help, they say it is my responsibility. If someone really believes that he will pay back, let him send me 1263 first and he should wait for the @ratas every month for 200 hahaha |
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PS: in case he's serious about paying you 200 euros each month, wouldn't that be something you could accept? who knows he wants to redeem himself? but I was thinking how would you have a guarantee that he would pay and I can't think of anything
It looks like he's a serial scammer because the second person received similar kinds of messages, meaning he could probably be doing the same thing to many other members I also don't understand how OP trusted a complete stranger with 1,263 Euro. He seemed really honest, we talked for 2 weeks, I sent him 500 first and everything was ok, after one hour rest and he was gone hahah. His last thread is ridiculous hahaha https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5378506.msg58811888#msg58811888is there any other information about him? |
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and your problem will only get worse to be solved because they have the famous and annoying:
" This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (47 posts by 2+ users deleted.) "
Our thread is self moderated, however as you can see we have deleted posts from 2 users in 6 years, both of which were for spam. This player commented on our ANN thread and we left the complaint up and promptly replied at that time. This is a known player, who has previously been banned from Betcoin on more than 1 occasion. We have confirmed that he continues to use banned scanner technology to find and place bets. We paid him his winnings in full on his first account, with the agreement that if he creates any additional accounts, they will be closed and funds seized. He has since created at least 2 additional Betcoin accounts. As stated to him, since the winnings he received in payouts from the first account exceed the amount deposited on the current account, this matter is considered closed. As always, any player who is able to follow the rules, will be paid extremely fast, as evidenced by our tens of thousands of happy players. Thank you
As always, any player who is able to follow the rules, which exist at every sportsbook, will have no problems and we have tens of thousands of people cashing out on a regular basis, many for much larger amounts than this player attempted. Thanks and best of luck to all! What rules did I break? Show exactly what I did wrong and give proof! I played fair !!! |
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just to be clear did you send him money so he would make a bet for you and he would send you profits? Is that?
Yes i send him money to bet, like deposit from me, to be safe.... |
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Can both of you @javier26 and @younger41 please add the telegram links or handles which ratas uses?
I am trying to connect the dots to prove how ratas is linked to the telegram accounts. I will tag and flag the account if he is proven to be a scammer or suspicious
he wrote to me from 2 accounts, but both deleted first account name is Trevo Second account i already post photo https://ibb.co/9vJPxxkThere are photos of sending money from neteller and skrill, emails and his real name |
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and your problem will only get worse to be solved because they have the famous and annoying:
" This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (47 posts by 2+ users deleted.) "
but I'll have to ask you this, have you already posted these proofs in their thread?
I wonder why they won't agree to make you KYC and solve this whole problem?
yes i already wrote on their thread and found more photos, and photo of my last deposit i did not get any answer from they, they just said that I am already a known player who had several accounts with them, which is not true at all !!! my withdraw: https://ibb.co/1QqZyW6my last deposit: https://imgbb.com/bHPFJ7Ki really not know why they are ignoring any type of verification, I am ready and I want to do whatever they want, and I do not want my deposit back, because my total deposit is higher than the balance on the account at the time of closing the account. it was just under 5ltc, 4.9xxx they know better |
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I remember you have asked about it in their ANN thread one month ago. I'm quoting the reply of Betcoin.ag here This is a known player, who has previously been banned from Betcoin on more than 1 occasion. We have confirmed that he continues to use banned scanner technology to find and place bets. We paid him his winnings in full on his first account, with the agreement that if he creates any additional accounts, they will be closed and funds seized. He has since created at least 2 additional Betcoin accounts. As stated to him, since the winnings he received in payouts from the first account exceed the amount deposited on the current account, this matter is considered closed. As always, any player who is able to follow the rules, will be paid extremely fast, as evidenced by our tens of thousands of happy players. Thank you
I have suggested you to create a scam accusation with proper proof at the time. You took one month to do it, but still you haven't provided any valid proof. However, it's clear that Betcoin.ag hasn't accepted your withdrawal request. They only said that you have multiple accounts and used one kind of technology to place bets. I think this case will be closed if they can provide the proof of your abuse with multiple accounts. I have sent a message to the user ‘Betcoin.AG’. Hopefully he will reply here soon. Thank you for sending message, yes I waited a month because I didn't care too much for 5 LTC, but as my problems with fraudsters started again I decided to start writing. I can't log in to my account so I can show you more evidence, I already said about the deposit, it was about a month ago and I had more than 1 deposit for sure, if betcoin.ag forum mebers want (and I know for sure they can) to show what my deposit address was I can immediately take a picture and send you all the details of my deposit because I did it through Binance (there is a whole history of my transactions which are many, and I can not say for sure which was for betcoin) https://ibb.co/60XJMm8Tell me what proof you want from me, I am ready to do whatever you ask to prove it. I write to betcoin guys to make any type of verification but they ignored me. I had same problem with playbetr, and they give me deposit at end and that's why I didn't even complain because they returned all the money from my account. |
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What happened: Betcoin.ag closed my account when i try my first withdraw, before it i had only deposits
Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=202115
Amount Scammed: 5 LTC
Payment Method: Litecoin
Proof of Payment: I can not find proof of payement becouse i used my personal Binance account where im making transactions everyday, and not know which is to betcoin, if representatives show my deposit address for sure i can find it in transactions
PM/Chat Logs: https://ibb.co/WDScjjP https://ibb.co/cTXJCb0 https://ibb.co/WKKtbL4
They say I had multiple accounts, but this is my only single account that I have on a betcoin, registered to my email address that I have been using for 10 years, and I made a deposit from my personal binance account.
They refuse any form of verification of my account, I invite them to call me to Skype or whatever they want me to prove to them that I did not have any other account on their bookmaker. Of course they no longer respond to my messages.
And of course they did not give a single proof of evidence that I had cheated and had multiple accounts.
Please the admins of this forum to help the members someday!
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Hello friend, you will not get any help on this forum, you can only help other members to learn something from your bad experience.
I had the same problem, I didn't want to write at all when I know that no one will help us here, it's always our fault because we're new to the forum!
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I agree, we are a little off topic, but it's not my fault, other people started writing, I just posted my experiences with bookmakers from this forum and tried to find people who bet the same as me
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Hello guys! As most members know few days ago i started topic "serach for betting partners". Many representatives of bookmakers came to praise their bookmakers and suggested that I bet there, nothing new. But as I have said 5x there is no bookmaker meets what I need (there are really a few good ones, but after a couple of bets they limit your maxbet to 5-10 euros) My last post on that topic was a question for the representative of playbetr.com why they locked my account, of course I didn't get an answer but they locked my topic and nothing can be written anymore. So I have few question for the moderators here. Do you delete a post or lock a topic every time you are wrong, is that a real solution? Is this forum made for people to help each other or just to promote some sites and bookmakers? Is it real for you to support and continue to advertise bookmakers like 1xbit? A boomaker that has scamed thousands of people, they can still be promoted and advertised. Please don't spam my topic again with how there are trusted bookmakers here, yes, I agree, but they limit the maxbet to 10e and that is not the solution for us players! https://ibb.co/WxkGKZv |
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Do you guys really think that I have not already tested all possible bookmakers, especially from this forum ...
Who knows how many times I tell you, the problem is limiting the account and limiting the stake to a few euros, which does not suit me, the only one that does not limit is stake.com but their offer does not suit me.
I'm from the Balkan, and a lot of bookmakers forbid players from that region, which is an additional problem
send me a pm mate i will ask you few things We can't send messages on this forum because we are newbies, find me on the telegram @fontechio77
Hello guys!
I'm tired of fighting with online bookmakers, which in 99% of cases are scamers, as you all already know, so I decided to go in search of partners.
We would cooperate by helping each other with the stake, as well as exchanging matches.
I prefer Europe, especially the UK, Spain, Belgium, Poland, etc...
For more informations and questions ask me on PM
So you have "lost your fight" against online bookies "which are 99% scammers",but you need a partner,which will help you win the fight against online bookies "which are 99% scammers"?  So your partner will miraculously make the online bookies to turn from 99% scammers into legit bookies,or you will find the 1% legit online bookies? This sounds like nonsense to me. Are you suggesting matched betting.There are several matched betting platforms out there,but I forgot their names.You can do a Google search or Youtube search and you will find more info about matched betting. Yes, we will surely find a winning formula for betting on youtube, people can't wait to find a good combination and share it with the rest of the world, of course! And that remaining 1% limited my accounts, they limit the stake to 10e, you obviously never bet on Slovenian basketball, for example, try betting on 5k so I can see you See that you are a representative of playbetr.com, I have one question for you. Why you first reduced my maxbet to a few euros, and when I tried to withdraw the money you closed my account, you said multiaccount problem, but you didn't give a single piece of evidence, you don't even want to do verification. Why when you are such a popular and legit bookmaker? Will your company shut down because of a few litecoins? Or is the problem that I bet on, for example, the lowest-ranked ITF tennis tournaments? https://ibb.co/VDnLsPV |
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Do you guys really think that I have not already tested all possible bookmakers, especially from this forum ...
Who knows how many times I tell you, the problem is limiting the account and limiting the stake to a few euros, which does not suit me, the only one that does not limit is stake.com but their offer does not suit me.
I'm from the Balkan, and a lot of bookmakers forbid players from that region, which is an additional problem
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