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Is BTER down for you guys too?
Yes Yes Back up for me. |
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You're going to share drop 80% on a $10 000 coin?
If I've got that wrong please ignore the following rant...
How gullible do you think people are?
You could have slowly bought up most of that coin for a few thousand dollars.
It's like an 80% sharedrop mostly to yourself.
Ron Paul is a good man, shame on you trying to use his good name for a scam.
I don't believe one could slowly buying up the coin for a few thousand dollars. I don't think anywhere near most of the coin has even been available after the price dropped to next to nothing. This also assumes there are not other persons attempting to acquire the coin. I can assure you it is nowhere near 80% sharedrop on myself. Yes I bought some coins. I'd be foolish not to do so. Do you want to line up to pay for all the development costs? If you are willing to do so, then send me a pm. Scam is a very harsh accusation and I have done absolutely nothing that resembles a scam in any way shape or form. I also have no intention of scam type behaviors. There are tons of altcoins with premines and questionable behavior. Premines rule the coin out for sharedropping. Scam is a very harsh accusation. In this case calling it a scam isn't harsh enough. If you need development funds then specify how much you want personally and how much you need for development. Don't pretend to be share-dropping on loyal supporters of Ron Paul , it's shameless. @ <$5000 a few weeks ago, who knows what % you now own? You may have bought out the previous developers stake too off market for all we know. A DPOS coin requires incredible transparency and a wide initial distribution to be successful. There's a potential pump and dump here but nothing more. Anyway I'll leave you to it. I'm outta here. Take care. This is beyond a scam? What planet do you come from? Apparently you've never seen actual scams. Grow up and get out of high school first. I admitted to buying RPC coins in a truthful manner. I am not the largest shareholder. It was less than $5k market cap at some point, but it wasn't whenever I bought any nor do I believe it is truthful to say a "few weeks ago". I've bought all the coins recently and I can assure you there were multiple people buying the coin as observed by any buy order I placed being leapfrogged by some bot. I am not "pretending to share-drop on loyal supporters of Ron Paul". I am share-dropping on Ron Paul Coin and I believe a lot of the long term Ron Paul supporters own the coin. I like how you claim I should have just named a price for development ! No, I want to create a coin. I am creating a coin. Another person who whines and complains from the sidelines but does nothing themselves. I noticed when I asked if you'd back the development of a coin you just hurl more insults. Typical sense of entitlement or you have a competitor of some sort. All coins can be a potential "pump and dump". Every single coin. Yes, there is that potential here. Guess what kid, that potential is there for every coin. Glad you've left as you're nothing but negative and not even bothered to answer my sincere question on how you'd sharedrop to the Liberty movement? Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out! Hmm... Your right. A blatant scam is a serious accusation & a harsh judgement cast on someone I don't know. I apologise. If your intentions are good and you've only bought up a healthy stake to incentivise you and help with development and you were genuinely interested in sharedropping to Ron Paul supporters, I'm sorry. With DPOS you will struggle imo though because in practice it currently takes very little stake to control the coin (<20%) and using your current model, it will be hard to convince people that you couldn't control a much bigger percentage. Regards your sincere question about share dropping on the libertarian movement. The alt-coin demographic is predominantly libertarian. Perhaps a short AGS style fundraiser with your Rand Paul message for part of the distribution would result in a wider initial distribution of libertarian supporters. The BTC raised could partly be used to kick start your BitAssets, perhaps a BitGold &/or Silver from which shareholders could fund development and perhaps donate to libertarian related initiatives via their delegates. As for being involved in a competitor I own shares in BitShares and I may consider buying some PTS if it converts to DPOS too. I still leave you to it. Just wanted to apologise for judging someone so harshly I don't know. If your intentions are good, good luck. Take care. I man cannot ever know. ... That is my take. I would have thought that you, of all people, would have love a DPOS coin with no inflation...maybe I have a case of a wrong identity or an old man's brain... Interesting conversation never the less. |
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First ever DPOS/BTS coin with no inflation? I am in.  |
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Hi ORA developers and supporters!
I like the current ORA price!
I will like it even more when you give all us dumpers, the extra stake we truly deserve!
Then I will be able to re-buy my stake at 0.001 NXT or less.
Cheers.
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I'll also chime in for BitShares. When I first heard about 'Protoshares' - I was skeptical. However, I've been researching and following this development for the past 10 months, daily; and am completely blown away. This platform is the bitcoin killer, and I don't say that lightly. Think of any problem any other crypto has, and I'd challenge you to find out if its not solved through the BitShares platform. The 3 MAJOR issues I believe BitShares has solved are:- Transaction times - 10 seconds. On the dot. No more of this 10 minute confirmation [ON AVERAGE!] B.S.
- More decentralized than bitcoin by orders of magnitude - there are what, 5 mining pools? BitShares secures the network through DPOS (delegated proof of stake), through 101 delegates that are elected. You choose the good guys, the bad actors simply cannot sustain their efforts. [also a hat tip to the US founding fathers...1776]
- Volatility - With the coming advent of user-pegged asset markets; one can store their value, cryptographically, in an asset that has relatively low volatility in comparison to bitcoin (i.e. the US Dollar - this will be 'bitUSD')
BitShares is your 'savings' to your bitcoin 'checking' and MUCH MUCH more. I cannot say enough good things about the core team and their efforts as well. Good people doing it for the right reasons, not hiding behind pseudonyms, because they don't need to. Further: - inherently anonymous transactions on REGISTERED account names instead of ugly addresses - atomic cross chain trading - user assets and market pegged assets - open source toolkit which already allows easy-to-setup altshares - have I mentioned dividends getting payed to shareholders? Oh man, this platform has that much awesome features it's impossible to see all the possible outcomes of that scheme .. just read the white paper of bitshares VOTE and you will see what I mean!! I agree. I find myself everyday selling some of my other positions to buy more into the Bitshares system. |
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To the moderator: Sorry, please move this to the altcoin announcement section if this is the wrong area. I've just seen this announced on the BitShares forums.. The Decentralized Namespace Service https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6509
Domain names and identities. The secure alternative to todays domain name system that eliminates domain name squatting while providing security against government seizures, man-in-the-middle attacks.Announcing the Decentralized Namespace Service - get your share by holding PTS before the end of August 21st
Featuring:
.p2p - .bit killer and DNS cash cow
KeyID - replacing usernames everywhere
Enabling services like
Browsing .p2p websites - no spying, no seizures!
"SignIn with KeyID" - think google/facebook signin only MORE SECURE. OUTRAGEOUSLY SECURE if the website is a .p2p site.
"KeyMail" - more on this later... will be a critical piece of infrastructure for BTS ecosystem as a whole
Features ready NOW (test net incoming):
* .p2p Punishing Throttled Auction (with hard-coded throttle) for initial distribution - more on this later
* .p2p Sell/Buy embedded market
* .p2p TITAN transfers
* KeyID "points" with upburn/downburn - how much money will people spend adjusting a meaningless number associated with their account? Probably a bunch!
* Everything in the toolkit except Markets - *maybe* we will add BitUSD far in the future
Features ready at launch at end of august (hopefully, it's just a goal):
* Punishing auction throttle size set by delegates, with fallback to fixed rate
* .p2p "offers" - put up bids before a domain is for sale or before it even exists. Not everyone wants to risk the Punishing Auction.
* SignIn with KeyID - we can already do this with ID-to-ID but we want to be able to do ID-to-.p2p because then you can check the site you are logging in to is who you think it is
Features ready after launch:
* DNS servers / browser plugins / "invisible" clients - seamless browsing experience
* DNS delegates that act as smart oracles for other decentralized application platforms - ethereum, ripple, etc... KeyID usernames *all over crypto land*.
Allocation:
1bn to AGS
1bn to PTS
1bn MYSTERY sharedrops onto other crypto. Targets might include BTC, NMC, NXT, ETH (snapshot using presale), PPC. They will likely be scaled so that they all give the same price per DNS and all have the same price *disadvantage* compared to PTS - this is why I feel OK not disclosing the exact allocation yet.. UP TO 100m of the sharedrop *might* be reserved for backpay and bounties but I fear the consequences of perceived unfairness and so I'll probably try to avoid this.
7bn delegate subsidy, about 45% of the pool paid out per year.
Delegate subsidy equation (assuming 10 second blocks):
block_pay = delegate_subsidy_remaining / 5000000
So the *maximum* number of new tokens created after T years is given by:
7000000000 - (7000000000 * (1 - 1/5000000)^((3153600)*T))
(there are 3153600 blocks per year)
Watch out for:
* PAID positions for content creation and development (web, core client, and DNS infrastructure)
* Instructions for migrating Keyhotee and BTSX names
(There is also another BitShare-PTS snapshot on the same date (The VOTE DAC) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=721082.0) The announcement is outdated I believe. Please fix it FandangledGizmo. |
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Is this DAC a pure public service, or is it meant to operate at a profit?
Every Dac that is using Bitshare is meant to operate as a profit for the shareholders Can you explain how this one will accomplish this goal? |
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I can see PTS go through the roof To be totally honest, I was the guy that started advocating Ora to use Bitshares technology. As Bitshares DPOS is the leading crypto technology today, imo. What is surprising to me is that even people in the crypto space have hard time understanding its value (read ORA developers). On the other hand the people that once 'get it' are turned into true believers. Example: The asking price for PTS today is almost 2 times more than what you would have get if you donated to AGS just a moth ago. And the people are still increasing their PTS holdings at those price levels. ...and I do not blame them! |
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Also a suggestion. If we are definitely going to give some extra ora to 1st stake holders, why dont we just concentrate on that first, make a decision and distribute away. Putting everything in 1 plate will cause a mess. My honest opinion.
We could break the issue into smaller chunks. If we do give existing stakeholders a top-up then we need to decide: - how much of the left-over stakes we give them - who is eligible IMO if someone was on the original list they were a stakeholder, and if they dumped that was their choice, and their right as an ORA stakeholder, and it's ok with me. You're not a 'bad guy' if you dumped your stake, and if it let another guy buy ORA who valued them more, then that's the advantage & efficiency of a market mechanism, and I welcome that - it's a win win! I'm not in favour of carrot & stick incentives to try and make people hold. I want voluntary hodl'ing, and the free market can give us that. If some people instantly dump the top-up, then some other people will buy it, no problem. just don't worry about the price. I think if we try and exclude original stakeholders based on whether they sold or not we set a bad precedent and it will come back to haunt us. If I choose to go and live overseas should I relinquish my citizenship? No, of course not, my nationality was my birthright, and nobody can take it from me. NXT had 73 stakeholders, QORA had 137, and ORA had ~880! There aren't good stakeholders & bad stakeholders, just rational people making their own decision. That's freedom, and I like it! It might sound silly, but our initial stakeholder list was based on an honest & fair process, and we should be proud of that, and we shouldn't discriminate against ANY stakeholders who exercised their free choice and sold. Sockpuppets, if identified, are another story though, and we should eject them if the evidence is conclusive. I support this. Once we are done with this, we can fully concentrate on the idea of new distribution via video submissions. Getting very impatient with the video idea. That will be a very fun process.  Edit: current status as of now (not a confirmation) from nxtreporting, 701 is still holding. So rough calculation 125/825 has sold off. Now does that make a huge difference or impact? It doesn't change my opinion, but that's just me. If anybody strongly disagrees with me (you think dumpers should NOT get a top-up, or there should be some minimum hodl amount), SPEAK UP!
I might be wrong, and you might be right ... convince me I totally disagree with this line of thinking! 1. I have explained here why there should be no additional stake for those that dumped their initial stake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=620518.msg8114020#msg81140202. You said that this will be decided by voting. Obviously the stakeholders that vote will not vote to give stake to the dumpers. You must be fully aware of that. 3. I will tell you what I will do if you insist on this non-sense approach and try to convince everybody this is the way to go (even worst if you decide it without voting). I will sell my stake before all those dumpers. Why - I will get a better price if I sell before them. When they got their new stake they will dump driving the price even lower. Then I can re-evaluate, and decide if I want back in at those extra low prices, or if the decision was made from the top (i.e. no vote) - just stay out. |
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ORA is a great buy right now.
I am really split between 7-8 pretty good choices!
ORA,QORA, BTSX and NXT leading the pack in my estimation. But I change my favorites on almost daily bases....
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Actually, I think the Chinese community is pretty disappointed in the proposed DAC’s .Not in the DAC’s themselves but in the proposed inflationary model.
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I have to fund my account so I can register and start using my account. Can somebody send me just enough? I will refund or pay it forward.
BTSX8eMZMyxE7yh1auS8hB3XLVYmhmmipWWrvb6V3ZcASz2NAS5osf
THANK YOU
One more question. Is it worth it to acquire PTS now? Or do BTSX fulfil the same role re: new DAC share giveaways?
You can post your request here: https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6439.0 |
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My LTS amounts are unconfirmed.
I transferred them on 7/15 - 7/17?
do you have a transaction ID? Are you transferring them to Bter? It's about withdrawals from the NHZ AE These are the transactions sent out to him: | Amount | Address | TXid | | 3.08 | LLcuFAKegXUc9vhkhShqmbXQEL1Efjdr9L | 6bfa574e372e358a5186528eaf90377c9833136f8940c6da20804e228cc75ee0 | | 11.98 | LMjCaaojpsz1psGCNdrtjp5ESLMpSicHm3 | e66af5459f25c220eae0cbe360da077bdc7712018371b4f686a1b0afb3a7d83d | | 9.98 | LgrrnypYHQKGJ7jW6mLcAyt9v8QZhDUn9m | 314c81de9a2d96415a516f29fe7ae682f41e4fef692037b027f066dd6b5b5aa1 | | 9.48 | LbKWBb7BSJrvkqFaQbFZu3Y53eR1t1BFJM | 81f41b26fde3681d7cb29532a1dd2c5f19ad3b154636ab243c8ac2cc5f625ab5 | | 2.98 | LXBcJDTKbXWdEEMgs7KtMx5x5ErPpnE9gc | d8f70ccf1a2e5f31ac059ee88d044c9aa90f2a646f8542c0948824392fb6683e |
They're of course not on the block explorer, even some of the addresses we paid out to can't be found there any more. Did you figure out why I am missing those amounts, or I just have to eat up those amounts - due to system growth/maturation? |
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i think the market is waiting for news from dev.
The current price is very reasonable but it will easily 10x if any good news released from dev team.
I'm primarily interested in what is going to go on with the additional stakes, how voting will work, and if people sell their coin at all, will they get any future stakes or not. I still have mine (actually assume I do, didn't check if it arrived yet), but if the coin does hit a decent price, it'd be nice to know if I should hold or wait for a vote on the rest of the coins. If we do end up giving the original stakeholders a top up from the left over stakes I think our only option is to use the original stakeholder list. If somebody chose to sell their stake early it doesn't change the fact that they were an original stakeholder. If a non-stakeholder buys a lot of ORA assets before the vote it doesn't change the fact that they weren't an original stakeholder. My understanding of the NXT voting system is ALL ORA asset holders would be eligible to vote, even people who weren't original stakeholders but bought ORA on the NXT AE from early sellers. Obviously someone's attitude to the left over stakes issue will be heavily influenced by whether they were an original stakeholder or not. If lots of non-stakeholders buy up dumped ORA assets I would assume they'll be less inclined to vote to give the original stakeholders a top up, and they'd be more inclined to vote for more bounties, or a second round of registrations. I might be wrong about that, but that seems logical. It is possible to set some conditions on which asset holders can vote (e.g. how large their ORA balance is using the 'Balance threshold parameter'), but I'm not expert in the NXT voting system by any means. I'm still uncertain when the NXT voting system goes live. My opinion is if somebody dumps early then they will probably weaken their chance of getting a top up, and if somebody buys ORA with 'valuable' NXT, then the ORA collective is swapping a less committed person, for a potentially more committed one, and I want to encourage committed people to join ORA and contribute wherever I can. It would be nice to be able to vote asap, but we don't have any control over when the NXT voting system goes live. Giving a new free stake to the people who dumped their first free stake is something that is totally illogical. Why give them extra coins? To sell them again at first chance! You can do two other things instead: -Top up (as you call it) all original stakeholders who keep at least 166,666 Oras. -Give the free shares to all current holders of Ora. I do not think those who did not own originally, but paid for their shares are less valuable, then the original owners. You can make additional modification to this to better serve your needs. (1.5 new stakes for original accounts with more than 166,666 coins and 1 new stake for new accounts with same amount or more) On a semi-side note, if you decide to distribute the left over stake (or let’s say 50% of it) to current holders you can do it automatically as a dividend. Less work and fair as explained above. There's some interesting suggestions here. We can set a balance requirement to prevent original stakeholders who dumped too heavily voting, but I'd be cautious of creating an incentive for non-stakeholders to buy up now in the hope that they would become eligible for any 'top up'. I think a bit of volatility in the day-to-day price attracts day traders which can give ORA more exposure, so that's a good thing, but I don't want to create a massive pump, as that would cause a subsequent crash. We don't want that IMO. Day trading yes, pump & dump no. In less than 24 hours we've had 175 trades on the NXT AE. That is fantastic! ORA is the 15th most traded NXT asset, and we've been listed for about a day! We can expect some volatility as the market judges our progress, and that'll encourage day trading, and trading gives us lots of exposure, but a massive artificial surge in demand from people looking for a quick 'top up' will only lead to an equally massive dump. Let's avoid that if we can! I'm just one opinion, and setting a minimum threshold for the vote is a good idea, but I think the original stakeholder list is what we're voting on. People who bought in after the first distribution were not original stakeholders, and maybe we can give them some reward in another way, but we should avoid a massive surge in demand from people seeking to get a 'top up' from the left over stakes. edit: remember, I'm just another opinion, so if you think I'm wrong speak up. If most disagree with me, then my opinion loses! That is the ORA way I can see your points. My main thing is that original stakeholders that did nothing more for the community and/ or Ora, other than get their stake and sell it, as fast as they can, are not of any value. And we should avoid giving them additional stakes to do nothing with those new stakes, but sell them as fast as they can. |
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i think the market is waiting for news from dev.
The current price is very reasonable but it will easily 10x if any good news released from dev team.
I'm primarily interested in what is going to go on with the additional stakes, how voting will work, and if people sell their coin at all, will they get any future stakes or not. I still have mine (actually assume I do, didn't check if it arrived yet), but if the coin does hit a decent price, it'd be nice to know if I should hold or wait for a vote on the rest of the coins. If we do end up giving the original stakeholders a top up from the left over stakes I think our only option is to use the original stakeholder list. If somebody chose to sell their stake early it doesn't change the fact that they were an original stakeholder. If a non-stakeholder buys a lot of ORA assets before the vote it doesn't change the fact that they weren't an original stakeholder. My understanding of the NXT voting system is ALL ORA asset holders would be eligible to vote, even people who weren't original stakeholders but bought ORA on the NXT AE from early sellers. Obviously someone's attitude to the left over stakes issue will be heavily influenced by whether they were an original stakeholder or not. If lots of non-stakeholders buy up dumped ORA assets I would assume they'll be less inclined to vote to give the original stakeholders a top up, and they'd be more inclined to vote for more bounties, or a second round of registrations. I might be wrong about that, but that seems logical. It is possible to set some conditions on which asset holders can vote (e.g. how large their ORA balance is using the 'Balance threshold parameter'), but I'm not expert in the NXT voting system by any means. I'm still uncertain when the NXT voting system goes live. My opinion is if somebody dumps early then they will probably weaken their chance of getting a top up, and if somebody buys ORA with 'valuable' NXT, then the ORA collective is swapping a less committed person, for a potentially more committed one, and I want to encourage committed people to join ORA and contribute wherever I can. It would be nice to be able to vote asap, but we don't have any control over when the NXT voting system goes live. Giving a new free stake to the people who dumped their first free stake is something that is totally illogical. Why give them extra coins? To sell them again at first chance! You can do two other things instead: -Top up (as you call it) all original stakeholders who keep at least 166,666 Oras. -Give the free shares to all current holders of Ora. I do not think those who did not own originally, but paid for their shares are less valuable, then the original owners. You can make additional modification to this to better serve your needs. (1.5 new stakes for original accounts with more than 166,666 coins and 1 new stake for new accounts with same amount or more) On a semi-side note, if you decide to distribute the left over stake (or let’s say 50% of it) to current holders you can do it automatically as a dividend. Less work and fair as explained above. |
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To the attention of all those eager to make $ 60- $70 on their ORA stake.
The rumor is that the undistributed free stakes will most likely be distributed to current ORA holders!
And not to the one that dumped their stake at first chance for next to nothing!
Do not expect us to vote for anything else!
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Very obvious some of you are not reading the thread and just jumping on the last 1 or 2 threads. I recommend spend some time reading what is happening. Dont just jump into your own conclusion. All the answers to your questions have been answered in the previois posts. Read before question.
It is kind of easier to put the important info in the OP, instead of expecting everybody to read 80 pages of thread... But if you think it is our fault sure, it is... if you say so. |
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many people ask the price
ok,i think the price maybe very low than you think
1.No wallt
2.community is not strong
3.qora's cap is low
also i want to say we have to change the rule
1.the left stake should distribution like this, 30% for reopen,30% for development(website, wallet, design,marketing.....).20% for giveaway,20% for a fund
2.copy the BTS code because BTS have a strong community and DPOS is better than POS QORA even not decide when to release the resources .ORA maybe the first BTS clone because BM will help us.
3.We also need marketing people to make people notice that ora is different
On the Bitshares front I agree, after all I am the one that suggesting it both in this thread and also on their forum. This makes you suggestion for the left over stakes impossible though, as they (Bitshares) expect min 20% of all coins distributed to their supporters. Which is doable and there still will be a lot of left over free stakes for whatever Ora decides. |
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50M to 1 Billion ... big difference. And will there be one round of stakes, or two? Again, curious what we may be getting and max coins, but that seems difficult to figure out with the various numbers being thrown around. Probably useful for the devs to clear that up, just so when people start selling this they have an idea as to valuation. Using Qora or Nem as a basis could make sense, assuming we know max coins + how many rounds of stakes there are. Totally agree! |
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