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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ELM] Element Coin

on: December 20, 2014, 03:21:35 PM

Quote from: hdd3go on December 19, 2014, 05:42:03 PM Project sounds good,but the question is how to get players in,Bitcoiner might not a game lover. Think about it this way: There are hundreds of games out there, where people are running around, shooting people just for fun and to kill time maybe. If Supremacy Online is released, all those people could be doing the same thing, but with a big difference - they would not be just wasting their time, but in fact earning money! If that does not sound good, I don't know what could sound better? Of course, some money would be spent on marketing too...

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ELM] Element Coin

on: December 14, 2014, 03:56:06 PM

We didn't quit. No way. There will be a reannouncement in the next few days hopefully, but that does not depend only on us. We are in talks with BlockTrust about hosting our crowdfund, but haven't decided yet. We were thinking of helding crowdfund on some exchange, but seeing how Bter actively participated in Bitbay scam, we are not so sure any more (we never were, actually). We have an interesting idea about crowdfunding, but we are still deciding if investors would see it as a right move. I believe that any honest investor would think it is a great idea, but we will see about that. We are also digesting how that Bitbay scam that was going on at the time when we held our ICO could affect an honest crypto projects. I really can't understand that so many people gave away a lot of their money to a group of unknown individuals instead of investing here? Had they invested to our project, the game development would be in full swing now and nobody would be crying about investing in a scam like they do now. Of course we haven't secretly invested 500 BTC to our own ICO to fire the people up like they did, because that was exactly what happened; insted of people checking the project throughly, they invested because they thought that other people are investing but it was all a fraud... Well, it happened what happened and there is no point crying over spilt milk. I just hope that this time around people will be checking the project instead of following the herd. It really is a project that could bring a lot of money to anybody involved - imagine how going to work could look like: you get up in the morning, have a breakfast, login to your computer, fire up a game and you are at work And it is not just that, it is a lot more...

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 12, 2014, 08:27:11 PM

Quote from: ropbat on December 12, 2014, 07:54:27 PM So is this project/site legit or is it another scam? seems this thread has mixed emotions. Where did you find mixed emotions? Maybe just some people trying to calm themselves because they realised they have invested recklessly.

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 12, 2014, 07:39:46 PM

Quote from: Decentradical on December 12, 2014, 06:34:30 PM It were just warnings though. Sensible warnings but there was no real smoking gun for a very long time. So until that time AltcoinUk's scenario was one of multiple possibilities. Now, was that because of previous experience with ICO's or was there more substance this time? As for the 3k ICO, I was fine with that if the funds would actually end up being used on the coin rather than on some guy chilling at the Riviera. I mean, spending scam money at such a shitty place is just adding insult to the injury. When you see a smoking gun, it is usually too late already. And 3k ICO for this is fine for you? I guess you could use that amount to buy a car also, but that would hardly be a wise thing to do, don't you think? They wanted multiple times more money than they would really need, and people gladly (greedily?) gave it to them, without even knowing who they are? How in the right mind can you give money to annonymous group of people and then hope they would be honest? That is just plain... naive to put it mildly, and if someone is crying now, they should not cry because they lost money but because they have realised, that they were not able to think straight - to put it mildly again

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 12, 2014, 06:20:14 PM

Quote from: Decentradical on December 12, 2014, 05:49:59 PM Quote from: altcoinUK on December 12, 2014, 04:50:20 PM Quote from: Decentradical on December 12, 2014, 04:34:49 PM Well it's still not obvious where you've been coming from all this time. No smoking gun so to speak. The hard facts only came rolling in after Bob himself overextended in his greed in order to turn this into a second pump and dump. I've been sceptical of the Bter connection, right in time. Bter turned out to be a problem but not as big as Bob. LoL you must be very tired indeed ... just above you said that it was a scam and you are a victim ... and right now you are saying that there's no scam, and you are not a victim. Do what you want, you are hopeless. Oh I lost money on this whole affair but thread served in limiting damage so in that way I'm grateful. You were quite adamant about all of this, was that a hunch or did you know more? He has been giving out warnings all the time, sir. What more would you like? And if you did your homework about the project you would not even need any warnings, as the thing was too pretentious from the beginning. 3.000 BTC for what? Give me a break...

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 12, 2014, 03:32:27 PM

Those coins were paid back to them by bter during ICO: [2014-11-25 10:57:02 PM] David Zimbeck: ok so didnt you get 500 btc? [2014-11-25 10:57:15 PM] International Rob: those were our 500 btc we put in.... hell yeah we get them back... if you would have put 333 btc in you could have got thoses back too

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 12, 2014, 03:30:53 PM

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: GET THAT SCAMMER DAVID ZIMBECK OUT OF CRYPTO FOR GOOD

on: December 12, 2014, 03:17:16 PM

Those coins were paid back to them by bter during ICO: [2014-11-25 10:57:02 PM] David Zimbeck: ok so didnt you get 500 btc? [2014-11-25 10:57:15 PM] International Rob: those were our 500 btc we put in.... hell yeah we get them back... if you would have put 333 btc in you could have got thoses back too

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: GET THAT SCAMMER DAVID ZIMBECK OUT OF CRYPTO FOR GOOD

on: December 12, 2014, 03:12:41 PM

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: GET THAT SCAMMER DAVID ZIMBECK OUT OF CRYPTO FOR GOOD

on: December 12, 2014, 03:00:03 PM

Quote from: djm34 on December 12, 2014, 02:51:26 PM Quote from: Zlate on December 12, 2014, 01:59:34 PM Quote from: Hueristic on December 12, 2014, 01:53:21 PM To bad they are so stupid they don't realize they are doing the banking systems job for them. RETARDS ALL. Open your eyes fools for a small profit you destroy a scene that could set you free from the system that your trying to change. These people just have no foresight. Very low IQ's all. I think you got it wrong Hueristic. They are not here to change the system. They don't even care about the system, they are here just to milk money from the naive people who invest where they think all the other people are investing, instead of doing their own homework. No point in crying over spilt milk now.. +1 they just abuse the system... (and gullibility of people around... is this really crime ? because being as naïve as some are should be considered as a crime too... especially as it is driven by greed too...) Exactly! They knew that they can rely on people beeing greedy and that is why they pumped 500 or so of their own BTC in, so people would think "I have to hop on that bandwagon too". It is not a crime to rely on people beeing greedy or naive, but claiming one thing while doing something completely different sure is fishy.

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: GET THAT SCAMMER DAVID ZIMBECK OUT OF CRYPTO FOR GOOD

on: December 12, 2014, 01:59:34 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on December 12, 2014, 01:53:21 PM To bad they are so stupid they don't realize they are doing the banking systems job for them. RETARDS ALL. Open your eyes fools for a small profit you destroy a scene that could set you free from the system that your trying to change. These people just have no foresight. Very low IQ's all. I think you got it wrong Hueristic. They are not here to change the system. They don't even care about the system, they are here just to milk money from the naive people who invest where they think all the other people are investing, instead of doing their own homework. No point in crying over spilt milk now..

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: GET THAT SCAMMER DAVID ZIMBECK OUT OF CRYPTO FOR GOOD

on: December 12, 2014, 01:36:47 PM

It is hilarious to reed those conversations posted. I don't think investors are laughing though...

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 12, 2014, 01:28:02 PM

So much unknown shit going on behind the scenes and people still gave away their money? I know that people are like sheep that can be directed where to go, but it still surprises me when I see that again and again... All involved in this project knew that fishy things were going on, but they all just wanted a peace of the pie - and a big pie it was! Makes me wonder if being honest and fair is really the way to go, when people just want a pretty packaged turd and everyone and their grandmother will invest?

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 12, 2014, 10:37:58 AM

Quote from: Decentradical on December 12, 2014, 10:29:44 AM Quote from: Zlate on December 12, 2014, 09:38:18 AM I mean really, why on earth would they need 3000 BTC for this project? Of course they can spend that amount easily, but in reality they got multiple times what they needed and people didn't find that suspicious? That part was 100% transparent though. The max of 3000 btc was known before the ICO started. I thought that was an okay target but people who didn't like that amount were free not to invest. A good point that was raised here though is that the OP has two conflicting milestone schedules. Toknormal also asked for more clarification on the Bter side of things. All that aside the only real deciscion an investor needs to make is to judge whether or not this venture will be worth more, or less, than 3000 BTC based on what it has set out to do. That part hasn't changed. Target of 3000 BTC was known before and you thought it was an okay target? You really think they had to raise that amount to develope the project? Well, it seems that a lot of people thought that way, that's why they are where they are now...

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 12, 2014, 09:38:18 AM

I have trouble understanding how people can almost ignore legitimat coins and then invest big in scam coins or, I don't know what this is, a semi-scam? If you have a group of people from 5 different places around the world who are developing a project, and you don't even know exactly what is happening behind the scene, who is doing what, who handles the money or how that money will be used and you still invest, then you probably wanted to lose your money and not invest it. I mean really, why on earth would they need 3000 BTC for this project? Of course they can spend that amount easily, but in reality they got multiple times what they needed and people didn't find that suspicious? Well, a few individuals did got suspicious, that's why this thread was started, but people still largely ignored all the warning signs and now they feel scamed? There will always be scammers, not just here, everywhere, but if someone want's to be an investor and not just a sheep for shearing, some investigation should be done first, because crying later will not help...

Local / 山寨币 / Re: [ANN][ELM] Element Coin :: 元素币 :: MMOFPS/RPG :: ICO - 5 days left :: 5 % Bonus

on: November 29, 2014, 03:57:14 PM

Quote from: chaobile on November 23, 2014, 11:08:04 AM 400BTC太少了，我觉得你们应该规划个1000BTC的ICO，这样有利于后期发展。凭什么呀？ 400BTC 是用于制作demo游戏或一个世界最小的。这可以稍后用于 kickstarter 运动。 ICO 将重新公布，请等一小会儿。

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ELM] Element Coin :: MMOFPS/RPG :: Last Day of ICO

on: November 26, 2014, 01:12:14 PM

Quote from: goodge on November 26, 2014, 12:05:41 PM If the ICO listed on bittrex, it will be better. Yes, we do plan to use an escrow service. Nobody demanded escrow so far, and as you can see, we are refunding investors. We will probably offer both options, but without bonus on escrow.

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ELM] Element Coin :: MMOFPS/RPG :: Last Day of ICO

on: November 26, 2014, 11:23:06 AM

Quote from: amiryaqot on November 26, 2014, 10:20:06 AM sorry Dev about wonderful project, hope in future you will bring best project, best of luck for next time Thanks for your support, but it will be a very near future. We are reannouncing in about a week, so we can show a game trailer, some concept art and present artists and game developers that will be working with us. Stand by

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ELM] Element Coin :: MMOFPS/RPG :: Last Day of ICO

on: November 26, 2014, 01:36:08 AM

We are still working hard and nobody has given up yet. We are working on Element wallet 2.0 too, and it will look very different from this one. We'll try to do things as soon as possible and will keep you posted. All the support is really appreciated. Thank you.

Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ELM] Element Coin :: MMOFPS/RPG :: Last Day of ICO

on: November 26, 2014, 12:00:53 AM

Quote from: vtec2liter on November 25, 2014, 11:22:19 PM Like 500 I believe... I'm trying to get them to give more time. I could round up some buzz and a few investors myself. I just heard about this 2 days ago so... Thank you for your interest. Where were you so long? We decided to give a project some more time. We are talking with a few different 3D developer teams with good references to commit their time to Element project. We already gave them instructions for some concept art which will be posted here and there is also a trailer to be finished. As things stand now, we will be sending invested BTC back and relaunching the announcement again in a week or so. We will offer an escrow too and in the mean time all suggestions are welcome.

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