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1381  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - Game over on: June 18, 2018, 01:35:06 PM
TA works on any free-market as it has fear and greed element.

They do work to a certain extent, but they're still far too unreliable in my opinion. News and developments from all around the world are one of, if not the largest factor in crypto price movement, and technical analysis methods can't take those into account. I personally don't put too much faith in them.

I agree with everything else you said though. It's not like anyone can prove Bitcoin is a bubble by just showing a graph anyway. It's not a bubble until it pops, and experts have been predicting that for a few years now to no avail.
1382  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: U-turn on bitcoin? Government panel may allow cryptos with riders. on: June 18, 2018, 01:09:00 PM
A panel formed by the government to look into crypto-currency does not seem to be in favour of banning it. Instead, it may suggest allowing crypto-currency with riders, ETNow reported quoting Cogencis.

On April 6, RBI through its notice titled ‘Prohibition on dealing in virtual currencies’, mandated banks, e-wallets and payment gateway providers to withdraw support for crypto-currency exchanges and other businesses dealing with virtual currencies (VCs) in India.

That's great and all, but I don't think it's very relevant to the current situation with respect to the current central bank circular. The bottom line is that it's not banned, the banking sector just rejects it. I don't think the panel allowing its use will make their central bank rethink their position, though I'd love to be wrong.

I'm very interested in what will come out of the hearing though. I hope we get a favorable result.
1383  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Is Bitcoin illegal in Indonesia on: June 18, 2018, 12:52:53 PM
You can buy and sell Bitcoin with fiat, but you can't use them to pay for anything. For as long as you don't use them to purchase goods/services, you should be fine.

Source:

The regulation, however, only prohibits the use of cryptocurrencies as a payment tool, and does not regulate activities such as bitcoin mining and trading.

As a sidenote, you can't use any foreign currency to buy anything within the country in normal circumstances either, so this isn't specific to Bitcoins or crypto. The Rupiah is their only legal tender.
1384  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Are telegram members of a project real? How can one tell? on: June 18, 2018, 12:42:50 PM
Telegram registration requires SMS or phone authentication!
This requires a sim card, which requires real-name authentication in my country!
The possibility of robots in Telegram is very low!

There are still some countries that don't require any kind of verification though, so this isn't a very good reason to believe that it's unlikely for bots/alts to appear. Even if your country does link your identity to your numbers, Telegram doesn't, so they won't know it's the same person using multiple numbers. Some people say they can get Google Voice numbers to work with Telegram too, so it's probably quite easy to set up bots/alts.

But yeah there is no easy way to tell. Bots may be easier to catch because they typically aren't very sophisticated, but alts can be almost impossible to detect if their owner is smart enough. You just have to not trust anyone blindly and not judge the size of the community by just the number of members.
1385  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How can I get a full understanding on how to use Blockchain? on: June 18, 2018, 12:18:21 PM
So I think that you don't need a documentary that explains blockchain. You only need some imagination Cheesy

I beg to disagree. The blockchain (especially permissioned applications of it) is just a glorified database in some ways. If it were so easy to apply and if it could make everything better, everyone would have already jumped into it. Not every business needs immutability and/or self-verification for their business processes.

You certainly do need a lot of imagination to take advantage of it, but I would argue you would also need even more fundamental knowledge of the technology itself.
1386  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Analyst say bitcoin will Obsolete one day. on: June 16, 2018, 02:02:07 PM
Let's clarify: He didn't say Bitcoin will be obsolete one day, he said blockchain technology will be. He also said that it will be on the basis that intelligence agencies will be able to decrypt it. Well, good luck with that I suppose.

I do think blockchain technology being obsolete is an inevitability though, but unlike Friedman, I think it's going to take a couple of lifetimes, and it's going to be because of a similar but superior technology being invented.

Wait for this technology to evolve fully first and then we can talk about the another intelligent technology getting developed with full scale mode. It took more than decade for the blockchain to reveal itself that too partially as we dont know what are the other ways of using it and how powerful it is in the first place. If this tech itself is having so much trouble around the world from getting acceptance in the first glance then how can anyone even think about the other tech to come alive.

I did say it's going to take a couple of lifetimes though, as bolded above. Innovation is a given, and is meant to render past technology obsolete, so it should be perfectly reasonable to assume that something else will take its place in the far, far future. I'm not in any kind of hurry lol.

That is also the same as saying that all crypto that exists now will be obsolete one day because they all run using blockchain technology.

They're similar, but not the same. Bitcoin being obsolete (which is what the topic says) does not at all imply that the blockchain will be obsolete, but the blockchain being obsolete (which is what the article says) does imply that Bitcoin will be obsolete. The latter implies one thing, while the former says another thing entirely. Friedman, the person in question, doesn't even mention cryptocurrencies, so he's probably talking about the blockchain's potential application in different fields. This also explains the hype he mentions, considering the praise it receives from several high profile people.
1387  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does crypto need to step out of Bitcoins shadow? Opinions please? on: June 16, 2018, 01:21:14 PM
Nope. It's a free market. People will use the best crypto available to them for the most part. It just so happens that, all aspects considered, Bitcoin is the best crypto available at the moment. No one let Bitcoin rule the roost either -- the market did that on its own. You can't force inferior coins on people.

The price movement has more to do with all cryptos being speculative assets people use to earn money rather than Bitcoin being in the spotlight. Exchange hacks and/or regulations that have nothing at all to do with Bitcoin also affect its price negatively after all. I don't think this will change until the general public starts using them for their actual utility, because they're pretty much all the same to them at the moment.
1388  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Analyst say bitcoin will Obsolete one day. on: June 16, 2018, 01:05:42 PM
Let's clarify: He didn't say Bitcoin will be obsolete one day, he said blockchain technology will be. He also said that it will be on the basis that intelligence agencies will be able to decrypt it. Well, good luck with that I suppose.

I do think blockchain technology being obsolete is an inevitability though, but unlike Friedman, I think it's going to take a couple of lifetimes, and it's going to be because of a similar but superior technology being invented.
1389  Economy / Exchanges / Re: HITBTC EXPERIENCE on: June 16, 2018, 12:43:12 PM
Why didn't they let you withdraw the money the first time you tried?

But man I feel like I've been seeing a lot of people complain about HitBTC in the recent months. They also have a lot of scam accusations which could easily be Googled. Makes me wonder why people still use it lol.
1390  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How can I get a full understanding on how to use Blockchain? on: June 16, 2018, 12:31:41 PM
It's all about reducing overhead and simplifying existing business processes. That being said, I don't think it's applicable for every business. You could start with specific use cases that make it worthwhile in some industries. Here is a quick rundown on how it can help banking:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2017/08/10/practical-examples-of-how-blockchains-are-used-in-banking-and-the-financial-services-sector

I'm sure there are applications that haven't been thought of yet considering how young blockchain technology is.
1391  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Why Ban Cryptocurrency with Zero Research or Consultation? on: June 16, 2018, 12:14:21 PM
Central banks are agents and mouth piece of the government, they're simply one and same.

That may be true in some cases, but India is not a dictatorship, and I prefer we give them the benefit of the doubt. Different branches are meant to function independently, which is how their own Supreme Court is questioning the central bank's move in the first place. If they were all working in unison to push out crypto, it would be far simpler for them to simply tune out the noise.

Commercial bank are in business to make profits and I have no doubt they understand what's in Bitcoin for them, but their masters = the governments won't let them be or the pursuit of revoking their license takes center stage.

Well their central bank did explicitly state that they did not conduct any research, so it's entirely possible they don't understand at all lol.
1392  Economy / Economics / Re: You’ll Someday Manufacture Anything You Want and Governments Will Not Stop You on: June 15, 2018, 02:43:22 PM
DIY 3D printing will destroy the capitalism. Grin
If I`m able to produce everything I need(food,clothes,tools,guns,ex.) there won`t be any need to buy that stuff from some merchant.This means that money will become obsolete,which means that all the cryptocurrencies will become obsolete.Perhaps the people will still want to purchase some services,but those services will be executed by robots and AI. Grin

Well you still need to gather the materials to print with somehow. If 3D printing technology ever became this futuristic, it's only going to mean that businesses will shift to cater to it and its essentials. Kind of like how smartphones spawned industries revolving around apps, accessories, etc., but in a much larger scale. I also imagine there will be fewer corporations, but they'll also likely be much larger lol.

This does decentralize manufacturing though, and would effectively kill/cripple it, which isn't much different from crypto and banking. I would have never thought crypto and 3D printing were similar in any way until today lol.
1393  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: faucets or investing in mining stes? on: June 15, 2018, 01:15:35 PM
If you absolutely have to choose between the two, you may as well go for faucets. You basically lose time to get chump change (and that's being generous), while you actually lose both time and money from most cloud mining sites. Neither option is ideal though, obviously, as others have pointed out.

What exactly are you looking for anyway? If you want to use your extra time to earn money, you should take a look at bounties, which are likely infinitely better than most faucets. If you have the money and want it to grow, buying crypto and HODLing/trading is less risky than putting your money in mining sites. Good luck!
1394  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Why Ban Cryptocurrency with Zero Research or Consultation? on: June 15, 2018, 01:01:17 PM
With that much desperation, I find it hard to believe that the move was all about preventing crimes, rather I see it as some calculated moves to  bury Bitcoin and all its enviable potentials, so that their manipulative local currencies could stand a chance

It's not even the government's handiwork. It was their central bank's. I'd say that means there's a very slim chance it has anything at all to do with crimes (not involving money laundering, etc.) or their prevention, because that's not their directive anyway.

I'm sure some banks see Bitcoin as a threat, but I'm also convinced this case has more to do with ignorance than that fear. They've admitted that much. They've been hearing that it's bad, so they'd rather not deal with it.
1395  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Transfer Bitcoins on: June 15, 2018, 12:39:24 PM
I tried to download Electrum for windows but what I get is an .exe file.
It does not have provisions about Ledger, just setting up a wallet in Electrum etc.
I wonder what I am missing.

You do have to install Electrum in Windows first. You're supposed to create a wallet with it. After choosing the wallet type you wish to create, you are given the option to use a hardware device. You shouldn't run into any problems if you follow the step-by-step tutorial.
1396  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has anyone use this site? on: June 15, 2018, 12:26:27 PM
Well I made about 10 btc so now I want to cash out ok? But I dont have enough to withdraw. There are alot of people playin there do you think they arent get withdraw. If someone can give me .05 I can withdraw and ill promise give you 1 btc.  But thats how their faq say.

You know 10 BTC is a fortune right? It's utter bullshit that you don't have enough for withdrawal when you have that amount. I can pretty much guarantee you that they just want to scam you for 0.05 BTC. If they're about to give you 10 BTC in winnings, why not just give you 9.95 straight up? It doesn't make any sense. It's a good thing you asked about it here first.
1397  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Interesting information about the distribution of bitcoin. on: June 14, 2018, 02:47:41 PM
Those aren't the largest holders. They're some of the largest holders. We don't have a precise number of their holdings. Satoshi's 1 million, for example, is a product of speculation more than anything. No one knows how much he actually controls. The FBI are also planning on getting rid of their holdings, or they might have already.

There's no hard data for distribution because anyone can have any number of wallets, and no sane large holder will tell anyone how much they actually own. All we know for sure is the number of coins that have been mined, and the number of what's left to mine. We don't even know the precise number in circulation.
1398  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: John McAfee President? on: June 14, 2018, 02:42:57 PM
Wait what? Is he planning on running? Lmfao. There's a chance he could win, too. I mean, look at the current US president lol. They're also pretty similar in that they just speak whatever is on their minds without thinking about it. He's going to be popular.

That being said, while I share his enthusiasm of Bitcoin, he's ridiculously corrupt as is now. Put him in a position of power, much more so the highest position of the land, and he's going to try to make money out of everything and everyone. Don't be fooled.
1399  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrencies as alternative mean of payment to fiat money (master thesis) on: June 14, 2018, 02:18:59 PM
Well, at least a few banks certainly believe cryprocurrencies pose a threat to them. Here's one example:

https://www.coindesk.com/british-banking-association-bitcoin-is-a-real-threat-to-banks/

I'm guessing a few more share the same sentiment but would rather keep it behind closed doors. There are a lot of moving parts for sure, but we should at least be able to assume that banks being redundant for majority of the populace poses a massive problem for them. Still, I believe they'll be able to adapt to that somehow. Maybe do research on that as well?

I also read a nice piece about technology in general (though Bitcoin is also mentioned) being a threat to banking:

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/040115/technology-biggest-threat-big-banks.asp

I'm sorry that these are pretty generic, but I'm just a casual learner lol.
1400  Economy / Economics / Re: Is President Trump good or bad for the economy? on: June 14, 2018, 02:04:18 PM
US economy is too large, so it is moving by itself. Even President Trump without changes in laws, can not do something for so large ecnomy. But changes in the laws is not in the hands of president. He can speak at US congress, but that's all what he can do.

That's true, but I'd say the recent trade wars can have potentially drastic effects, and he's obviously primarily responsible for them. He's single-handedly alienating allies too lol. That being said, it's hard to really see how he affects things because there doesn't seem to be a healthy middle when it comes to his public perception (and policies, for that matter). Everyone seems to be completely hostile against him or has their nose up his ass, so you have to take what they're writing with a grain of salt.

I don't think the US economy is in any danger of an imminent collapse, but if I were a resident, I'd start diversifying. Bitcoin's pretty cheap so now is a good time lol.
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