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1161  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Cloud mining on: September 06, 2017, 08:47:48 AM
Never heard of it. Genesis mining is profitable but it depends on the contract. You can recoup your costs in a year. Sometimes you get lucky and recoup very quickly due to rise in prices.
1162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ICO] BitDice - Join The ICO Of The Biggest Crowdfunded Casino With 2300Ƀ PROFIT on: September 06, 2017, 08:46:23 AM
Damn, i should have invested earlier...
you can still invest and make it a long term hold, although there's no bonus now. 10 million usd has already been contributed, ico ends in 9 days.

Yes, there's no bonus but still a good deal imo.

I am counting for dump at the start.

Based on what facts? Your crystal ball?
1163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centra Tech ICO | Multi-Blockchain Worldwide Debit Card & Insured Wallet on: September 06, 2017, 08:43:36 AM
New Centra Video out for whoever has not seen it yet!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNz52_BsLNk&t=27s

Yea saw that earlier today. Long time to launch though. 80+ days.
1164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WaltonChain WTC on: September 06, 2017, 08:41:07 AM
Hello! I am wondering whether WTC is affected by the Chinese ban on ICOs. Thank you!

Follow @waltonchain on twitter, all the info about it is on their page

It is not since they are HK/Korean.
1165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WaltonChain WTC on: September 05, 2017, 08:55:42 PM
Anybody received 20WTC from binance?

Haven't received anything yet. Completed my KYC couple days ago.
1166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ICO] BitDice - Join The ICO Of The Biggest Crowdfunded Casino With 2300Ƀ PROFIT on: September 05, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
Damn, i should have invested earlier...
you can still invest and make it a long term hold, although there's no bonus now. 10 million usd has already been contributed, ico ends in 9 days.

Yes, there's no bonus but still a good deal imo.
1167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN [MCO] MONACO #1 Cryptocurrency Payments Card on: September 05, 2017, 08:03:38 AM
Whether anyone is agree or not on this but surprisingly Monaco didn't show any visible affect of those warnings came out by people's bank. It has unexpected been very strong as market didn't crash that much as other markets reacted. It is still backed by heavy support this is clear now.

Most likely that weak hands selling and whales buying.
1168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] WaltonChain WTC on: September 05, 2017, 08:02:10 AM
Considering the recent Chinese governmental restrictions on ICO, this project seems.....!

ICO already happened. And this project is HK and half korean.
1169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centra Tech ICO | Multi-Blockchain Worldwide Debit Card & Insured Wallet on: September 05, 2017, 07:20:39 AM
Good move by Centra team, this will help to avoid the rush and also whales who would try to grab all the tokens during the crowd sale, also important opportunity for those who missed the pre sale to get the free centra card

Got in on the white list. Hopefully I'll get approved.
1170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] FunFair.io - Disrupting Online Gaming - New Casino Platform on: September 04, 2017, 04:10:09 PM
As I understand it, the bitdice is a competitor to FUN, what are the advantages of the FUN, the project is very interesting, although it was released long ago

By the way, is there Russian sipping? Please send a link, please

Also would like to hear the answer for this question. There appear a lot of competitors in this sphere, bitdice, vdice, daocasino etc. What are the main advantages of FunFair. And why the heck the price for the token is so low?  Shocked

Bitdice has no legal counsel to speak of. They are listing a dividend based token that fails the howey test, they will likely lose any gambling license and fall afoul of securities law if you read the recent SEC update, vdice is slow and boring. Its  a spreadsheet that takes minutes to confirm with expensive gas costs. Dao has no underlying tech to compete with fate channels.

@Bitcoinorama What's your position at FunFair? Assuming you work for them? No ill intentions just looking to place what you said in clearer context. (Bolded & underlined part mine.) Thanks!

I had Bitdice rep approach me in the Telegram chat and he had no idea about Howey, that a dividend paying token would fall afoul of securities law (Goolgel SEC Vs Howey - its the standard test for securities - US has been vague but they will always refer to that and thats what icos are being recommended to ensure they meet its mentioned in their latest update and why many icos are refusing to accept us citizens). If thats the case (and if they do a token raise in general) they will likely not be granted a gaming license or retain any they might have. Bitdice is not a developer but a third party casino operator which needs a gaming license to legally operate.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/sec-weighs-ico-tokens-securities-ether-still-labeled-currency/

Under the Howey Test, a transaction is a security (or investment contract) if:
It is an investment of money
There is an expectation of profits from the investment
The investment of money is in a common enterprise
Any profit comes from the efforts of a promoter or third party

Bitdice is offering an investment and specifically offers an investment in a common enterprise gives an expectation of profits from an investment.


Of course BitDice is offering an investment. If it wasn't so close, they probably would've opened it up to US citizens. Of course, they need a gaming license for each territory they want. I woulnd't decide right now if being a US gaming license because of a token sale is an automatic rejection. 888 Holdings was a notorious spammer when it received its US gaming license.

Are they asking for investment to bankroll the house? Are they issuing tokens? Are they paying dividends?


Yes. Yes. Yes. So what is your point? A token sale does not automatically preclude one from getting a US gaming license.
1171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: | NEO Smart Economy⚡Now a Top 10 Cryptocurrency⚡| Official Thread |Updated Aug10 on: September 04, 2017, 04:03:49 PM
Oops, today the price of NEO is about $ 18. However, now all the coins are falling. Curious what will happen next...

What it always does after a crash . . . it will recover. Bitcoin was banned in China in 2013 and it recovered.
1172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Bitmain looks like they're releasing a 15GH/s DASH miner called the AntMiner D3 on: September 04, 2017, 04:02:26 PM
Is it possible to just walkin and buy antminer d3 to the manufacturer so we will no longer wait for the shipment schedules? I will appreciate the responds. thank you

No it is not possible bitmain does not entertain walk in sales unless you want to buy 1000 miners  Grin

ROFL, can you imagine? "I'll take 1000 D3s please... anyone here speak English?" I'm fairly certain they would still laugh at you and tell you to watch twitter for updates about the next sale.
I said that bitmain does not entertain walk in customers unless you order 1000 miners if you want I can arrange your meeting as a walk in customer without any of my commission or compensation you just have to pay directly to bitmain at regular listed  price and your order will be accepted but keep in mind that the delivery schedule will be from the next available batch for sale
If you are thinking that you will pay to bitmain and get the miners delivers to you right away you are such a novice and indeed every one will laugh on you
I think this is in plain English and a newbie can also understand this

Yes that clarifies it but I think they want the machines immediately lol.
1173  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-09-04]‘Black Monday’: The People’s Bank of China Declares ICOs Illegal on: September 04, 2017, 03:51:10 PM
Looks like we have to wait while China goes through each ICO one by one for review.
1174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN [MCO] MONACO #1 Cryptocurrency Payments Card on: September 04, 2017, 03:39:50 PM
The people that do help, I invested $ 2000 for me, this is a lot of money. and shas the market falls and in a minus in a charoshom and don `t know what to do and the current supply that it will grow Huh
I'm from Ukraine
Люди, которые действительно помогают, я вложил в 2000 $ для меня, это много денег. и шас рынок падает и в минус в большом и не знает, что делать, и текущее предложение, что оно будет расти Huh

Come back in a week and re-evaluate. Don't trade on emotion.
1175  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ANN [MCO] MONACO #1 Cryptocurrency Payments Card on: September 04, 2017, 09:30:43 AM
Back to where we were couple days ago. $8 incoming.

That's unlikely in my opinion. Actually MCO is the one of few coins in growth today in the Bittrex.

In 3 hours we find out when the Americans wake up.

It's a holiday so maybe a late start too.
1176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: | NEO Smart Economy⚡Now a Top 10 Cryptocurrency⚡| Official Thread |Updated Aug10 on: September 04, 2017, 09:26:29 AM
Chinese have OFFICIALLY banned ICOs.

Not FUD, this was released at 3pm Beijing time.


The price at the moment I have sold most of my Neo to consolidate further losses. When Western markets react further to this it will push Neo further down and I'm not creating scare tactics. It' just the truth. Anybody saying this isn't bad news and it's good for Neo is just being delusional.




So did I, and NEO was one of the projects I was most keen of. I'm actually kind of shocked that it managed to go back to $20.

Must be a lot of buy orders triggering.

Yes and that most people will finally realize that NEO is a platform not a ICO.
1177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: | NEO Smart Economy⚡Now a Top 10 Cryptocurrency⚡| Official Thread |Updated Aug10 on: September 04, 2017, 09:17:25 AM
Chinese have OFFICIALLY banned ICOs.

Not FUD, this was released at 3pm Beijing time.


The price at the moment I have sold most of my Neo to consolidate further losses. When Western markets react further to this it will push Neo further down and I'm not creating scare tactics. It' just the truth. Anybody saying this isn't bad news and it's good for Neo is just being delusional.




So did I, and NEO was one of the projects I was most keen of. I'm actually kind of shocked that it managed to go back to $20.

Wait till the Americas wake up and see the markets.

Yeah, just a few more hours to go. I still made insane profits with it since I was in it since the ANS days, just wish I sold it at the $60 region. Well hindsight is 20/20...

Y'all planing to buy cheap NEO or do you consider the coin to not be viable any more?

I'll probably wait for the second dip before buying back in.
1178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: China just killed the ICO market. Which ones are Chinese? on: September 04, 2017, 09:11:19 AM
NEO, WALTON, BNB and some other coins that are listed at Binance exchange are chines in my opinion. Buy SEC compliant coins from now onwards as you should be fine

Why do we need SEC compliant? This only affects Chinese ICO.
1179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: | NEO Smart Economy⚡Now a Top 10 Cryptocurrency⚡| Official Thread |Updated Aug10 on: September 04, 2017, 09:08:53 AM
Chinese have OFFICIALLY banned ICOs.

Not FUD, this was released at 3pm Beijing time.


The price at the moment I have sold most of my Neo to consolidate further losses. When Western markets react further to this it will push Neo further down and I'm not creating scare tactics. It' just the truth. Anybody saying this isn't bad news and it's good for Neo is just being delusional.




So did I, and NEO was one of the projects I was most keen of. I'm actually kind of shocked that it managed to go back to $20.

Wait till the Americas wake up and see the markets.
1180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centra Tech ICO | Multi-Blockchain Worldwide Debit Card & Insured Wallet on: September 04, 2017, 09:06:25 AM
is this project's platform same with monaco card?? card based platform?
i hope this project can be success like monaco card. by the way, when the ICO ends?

ICO begins on 9/19 - 10/5 however it is likely it will sell out in a day or two tops.

With an ico duration of only 18 days, i think the developers have devised a strategy to make the token ico capable of being sold out within a few days
hopefully will come true, and I will be more confident to invest in this project  Wink

There's a hard cap to the ICO?
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