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1381  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So, what does a bitcoin WEIGH? on: March 15, 2014, 07:25:36 AM
Fascinating - all I can say about this is to sing you a song. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5XcKBmdfpWs&feature=kp

The mass (weight) of Bitcoin is much lower than what you estimate if it's stored on a regular hard disk. It also depends on the type of disk used. A hard disk stores data by altering the magnetic alignment of particles on the platters (the disks inside the device that are spun around). No particles are added, removed or relocated during this process, so the mass of a certain amount of data can't be computed from adding up the masses of some particles (electrons in your example).

However, since changing the magnetic alignment of the particles on the platters changes the energy level of the hard disk, it is possible to assign a mass value to a state that has more alignment (which corresponds to a higher energy state) through Einsteins mass-energy-equivalency relation. From this you get a very rough estimate, which is orders of magnitude lower than yours. See also: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/31326/is-a-hard-drive-heavier-when-it-is-full (which fortunately doesn't use funny units for its calculations).
I like where this is going. There's no way I'm ever going to think about this again (I've wasted too much time on it) but I will at least let myself read this article Smiley
1382  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Number of Bitcoin related sites in Alexa Top 10,000? on: March 15, 2014, 07:20:27 AM
01677 blockchain.info
01957 bitcointalk.org
02135 btc-e.com
03120 coinbase.com
03687 bitcoin.org
03800 bitcoincharts.com
04003 mtgox.com
06813 localbitcoins.com
06940 bitstamp.net
07476 bitcoin.it
07746 preev.com
07884 bitvisitor.com
08596 btcsec.com
08978 butterflylabs.com
1TarasQyKwPJRuod6qwh7n8BjMHC49ZNY Smiley
1383  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / So, what does a bitcoin WEIGH? on: March 15, 2014, 07:09:32 AM
How can something as abstract as a bitcoin have any weight? It's just a number next to your name, isn't it? Well, think about your hard drive, on which your qt client sits. Imagine you have 100 GB of porn on it (you sick bastard). Well, as a pure file, your hundred dirty gigs take up physical space on your hard drive. Ultimately we can break down 100 gigabytes into a lot of bits. A bit is either a 0 or a 1; and your hard drive keeps track of them all. This eventually comes to create your files, in this case your exotic porn which is probably illegal somewhere on earth. The difference between the 0s and 1s is that the 1s have added weight, rather than just the empty 0s. For a 0 to be a 1, it has to receive an electrical charge. The electrons that compose this charge are (as cited by several sources) about forty thousand strong. Our scientist friends who have a lot of time and money to waste have calculated the weight of an electron to be 2.074108*10-29 oz. This is, unsurprisingly, extremely small, but relevant. We know there's forty thousand electrons in a 1 that otherwise wouldn't be there, so we can conclude that a 1 weighs 8.296432*10-25 oz. So, great, that's a 1. But how many bits are in your hundred gigs of questionably-legal-porn? Well, a gigabyte is basically 1,073,741,824 bytes. A byte is also divisible in that is is the manifestation of 8 bits. So, we can multiply the number of bits in a byte with the number of bytes in a gigabyte and... That's 8,589,934,592 bits in a gigabyte. But it's not just ONE gigabyte... No, you're too sick and tasteless for just ONE. You have one HUNDRED gigabytes of porn, which means you have 8,589,934,592,000 bits manifesting porn. So we know that a 1 weighs 8.296432*10-25 oz but remember that bits compose of not just 1s but 0s as well. Typically this is pretty much half and half, and on this scale it's okay to just assume 50% 0s and 50% 1s, so if half of your porno-bits are 1s then that's 4,294,967,296,000 1s. The 0s we can just ignore, as without the 1s it'd be empty disk space. Now let's see how much these 1s weigh! A single 1 weighs 8.296432*10-25 oz, so by multiplying that by the number of 1s in your whackass porn, 4,294,967,296,000, we'll get the weight in ounces of your 100 gigabytes! After punching that into my stock windows calculator, we find your dirty filez weigh 3.563290*10-12 oz! This is basically 3 million millionths of an ounce. So fricking small nobody should even care. Not even me. But we do care, because now we want to know what our magic internet money weighs in at! Cheesy

First we have to define what a bitcoin 'is.' Sure, your private key is what lets you SPEND your bitcoins but the number of BTC available for spending on any given private key is not always exactly 1. If a bitcoin isn't an address, it is what it looks like. What goes INTO the address. Below is a transaction I pulled randomly from a recent block.



Now, this is a full transaction. Not only is it a bitcoin, it's the transporter OF a bitcoin. That which makes the bitcoin move from point A to point B is spending previous outputs and creating new ones. The output of the transaction is the coin, without question or doubt. Let's have a look at the transaction in a more sophisticated manner (get your wine glass!) Cool

Code:
{
  "hash":"658b286847d57f01997dfe5fe557dadea3d17df74f3adff93487afba98e81a15",
  "ver":1,
  "vin_sz":2,
  "vout_sz":1,
  "lock_time":0,
  "size":340,
  "in":[
    {
      "prev_out":{
        "hash":"8302fb1695cf8077d30e6a0c51dde3ba09c6850fb1ca6c9fa1cdc73788fa1307",
        "n":1
      },
      "scriptSig":"3045022100e3a8a88d9354c894b69865cf872b699e3ce5a167c5610f7531e0e1bbcd56370002207810698af68911296b65c96aa619f5f0d82a413081bc45ef4567972f6535c59401 026e1c90bc590d4384c34821a34e7fad44d4e562b4fd106621f5f8d57b331107ba"
    },
    {
      "prev_out":{
        "hash":"2d3db3dc61639e06b5d39a1a2298fdd346ca9b7692b66ce934ac344b7226b4cf",
        "n":1
      },
      "scriptSig":"30450221009ea9d8c150d9ec1b7e1dc248d47cae148cf481cdfc43c1209dfb5311639296ad022019233456cf51fca1a0267f409ee85f33162b5397198cbd9169cb84484953ecb101 0317e76906da1b7994598c18a373e1e66ee084d060a5608fc50989d664d768ff46"
    }
  ],
  "out":[
    {
      "value":"1.00000000",
      "scriptPubKey":"OP_DUP OP_HASH160 03df0ccc7df89082fba7ea25313398b851b058bc OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG"
    }
  ]
}

Sure, this is the entire transaction. It's a file, 340 bytes. But we want the output. Conveniently, it is as codey and sophisticated as the transaction itself. It's right there, at the bottom of the transaction. That section labeled “out.” In txt format, the transaction as a whole appears to be 1,096 bytes. The output solely returned as 147 bytes. When expressed as a ratio to its 340 byte form on the blockchain, we will blatantly assume 46 bytes. That would be 368 bits to make our bitcoin. We know from earlier to assume that half of the bits are 1s. This is a bit riskier on such a tiny scale; but since I'm too lazy to measure it myself it's what we're going to do. 184 1s in this output. We know from earlier the weight of a 1 is typically 8.296432*10-25 oz, so we can derive that the output “weighs” 1.526543-22 oz on your computer. But that's your computer. How many other computers do these bits have to be represented on in order for there to be consensus that the bitcoin represented by them is there? Every node on the network has 1.526543-22 oz dedicated to your bitcoin. This is a bit funky; Bitcoin is affected by gravity, but its effect is on every computer in the network. And as more computers join the network, the combined effect this coin has on the weight of the computers will grow. Someday there will be millions of nodes and they'll all remember your coin and in doing so they will weigh a little more because of it. Although the “weight” of a bitcoin is as incalculable as any physical aspect of it, we know it will have a lasting (although pathetic) effect for millenia after you yourself won't. RIP, you. Tongue

TL;DR: The weight of a bitcoin is fricking crazy. It doesn't make any sense and it doesn't have to. It's a fucking bitcoin and that's that, but it was cool to think about.

I wouldn't advise you to take this study for granted at some points, but I thought it would be a fun concept to ponder. Comments? Smiley
1384  Economy / Speculation / Re: Check out this poll on Bitcoin - 95% would never buy!!! on: March 15, 2014, 06:09:07 AM
And you simultaneously see why your whole Bitcoin is going to be worth a sh*t ton of money in 10 years.

This is only good news.  Because as the 95% sheeples talk trash and cower in fear, those with IQ's over 100 actually did a lil reading and are watching the paradigm change take hold all over the world.

By the time the 95% sheeples realize what its worth, it will be way too late for them to make any money on it, and you'll be buying yachts.
This was exactly how I was thinking about the threads title...
I hope we're right Wink
1385  Other / Off-topic / IT'S THIS GUY AGAIN on: March 15, 2014, 05:56:14 AM
http://youtu.be/ukSWEUT5aE8?t=4m29s
HE'S NOT BALD, THAT'S JUST A SOLAR PANEL FOR A DERP MACHINE
1386  Other / Off-topic / Re: What Song are you Listening To? on: March 15, 2014, 04:39:54 AM
Approaching Nirvana Lapse in Time Smiley
1387  Other / Off-topic / Re: Once upon a time... (add a sentence) on: March 15, 2014, 04:39:17 AM
so I ate it all and jumped out the second story window into the neighbors compost pile
1388  Other / Off-topic / Re: Night Owl: 12am+ thread on: March 15, 2014, 04:37:30 AM
11:37 and still fashionably late
1389  Other / Off-topic / Re: What if the price for disobeying Bitcoin is death on: March 15, 2014, 04:36:00 AM
You know it's a shit when this happens  Grin


1390  Other / Off-topic / Re: My 1000th Post On Bitcointalk! on: March 15, 2014, 04:28:36 AM
My 600th post Smiley
1391  Other / Off-topic / Block erupters can be useful again! on: March 15, 2014, 04:27:40 AM
Remember when difficulty was 30 million and we could use block erupters?
Well now they're worthless Cheesy
OR ARE THEY IUOHGEUIOWHIOEWUFJEWIO

INNOVATION ^
1392  Other / Off-topic / Re: favorite song on bitcoin on: March 15, 2014, 04:13:34 AM
There was once a girl from Bitcointalk hollow, she didn't buy coins but boy did she swallow!
I have a nice lance that she sat upon, the girl from Bitcointalk who is also your mum.
1393  Economy / Services / Re: Create your own bitcoin faucet and make money online on: March 15, 2014, 03:42:37 AM
OP sounds like google translate ;P
1394  Economy / Services / Re: I will pay 0.15 to first person who dox Leah McGrath Goodman on: March 15, 2014, 03:41:02 AM
http://newsbtc.com/2014/03/14/anger-dies-leah-mcgrath-goodman-continues-defend-story/


“I have learned this about the fanatical Bitcoiners: they will see this all in a different light once they reach puberty,” she wrote.
Something else she should know about bitcoiners.
Bitcoiners have bitcoins.
I don't know, that's pretty great.
1395  Economy / Services / Re: ★ Very Cheap ★ 5k Followers = $5 ★ 4k Fanspage Like = $15 ★ on: March 15, 2014, 03:11:41 AM
THIS IS NOT BOT BRO  Wink


And Taras, i will send 1k followers.
After that, you send $2 to me Smiley
Send your twitter link on inbox
I don't care whether or not it's a bot lol
Put them through to , then I will send shiny btc! Smiley
1396  Other / Off-topic / Re: favorite song on bitcoin on: March 15, 2014, 03:09:00 AM
Not about Bitcoin, but a well-known site which accepted Bitcoin (and quite possibly made Bitcoin what it is today) before its untimely death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-EmcOli28U
uhm that's linkin park
1397  Other / Off-topic / Re: John Egbert on: March 15, 2014, 03:01:29 AM
We goin down to tha 
Andrew Hussie is gonna throw a party down in there

you mean this Andrew? http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Andrew_Hussie
That's the one
1398  Other / Off-topic / Re: [1.7.2]BITCOIN FACTION SERVER[EARN WHILE YOU PLAY][BRAND NEW MINECRAFT SERVER] on: March 15, 2014, 01:18:56 AM
Sounds like a clone of the bit mines, but it's nice to know I'm not the only minecrafter in town Smiley
1399  Other / Off-topic / John Egbert on: March 15, 2014, 01:15:36 AM
We goin down to tha 
Andrew Hussie is gonna throw a party down in there
1400  Other / Off-topic / Re: BIBINKA WORD GAME! on: March 15, 2014, 01:09:22 AM
Fat Tay Choon went to the Mining Academy in Brazil, east of Satoshi's yurt, where Gavin was kidnapped by the CIA's goons and forced to pretend fucking an anonymous decentralized biscuit—better than all the fish in the Pacific Ocean—but also to defray leeches intelligently with ECDSA fighting qubits for 16.8 dree12, or Phinnaeus must fling toilets towards psy‐ops, without potato smoothies mixed with fried chicken wings from BitMunchies.com, urbanchickennj.com, and Popeye's Bitcoin wallet, which deleted Satoshi's premine ability to cheer very victoriously, none like Butterfly Labs better enabled, but also Pirate crashing AIR applications without the express use of interest-free scams, conspiring with fraudulent sockpuppets and PPTs and..., you troll-herding piece of Shiitake mushroom, go lick Goat's horns until Theymos admits to having a quite erotic fetish involving honey badgers wearing thongs composed of soggy burlap waffles dangling from cosmic linoleum-based iphones running quantum chips explodes spewing deadly acid! b!z screamed out "Light is bright like...like... stars." When Markjamrobin opens the isolated window, he sees three pigs together in bed. Kouye and myself laugh when chinese food falls the impact kills Obama Bin ladin whoever thinks he may be terrorist, is correct but hates the bitcoin logo. Earth has snakes. Currently, the other species have decimated to tiny groups called "marko solo" whatever time it all comes and ends? However, Bitcoin's acidity level dipped causing catastrophic double-spends!

Meanwhile, AntiOps was confused by the awkward change to his penis melting uncontrollably. Vanilla Ice perfume spritzed onto cheese and greasy slime covered with babies boiled in a smelly old heatsink. But it tasted like shit therefore it poisoned his blood although he did survive. Reproductive organisms attacked the internal testicle which caused terrible congestion somehow. Evolution then terminated the smelly old business thank the inability of AntiOps to lock Satoshi's thread. In a transactional forum there was a debate about hacking unprotected accounts, however the debate shortly ended.

Phinnaeus Gage, king pluto, duke of the people. Returned one of his loans that he fraudulently claimed without declaring intentionally. Although this was bullshit. Earth was hit by a meteor which cause catastrophic events which cause people to cause mass destruction by proxy voting it was documented recently on the news that oranges are disguised anti-gravity pockets which have giant bears attacked Zeus because bitcoin accidentally crashed to Mars which created spaceships and aliens who pretended being humans wearing hats on their toes.

Altcoin suck on apples and oranges too. Megacoin is the most shit sucker of apples and  melons ever. Most people love to troll others. Evolution is a slow process which created forks. It is beneficial to wash your feet because it distributes bacteria and oil, notwithstanding the beneficial attributes which are how chocolate arouses some of the miners brains. Today was an abysmal event which caused many abnormal but not smart bitcoiners because many of them are cute animals who were insane because of excessive oreo consumption. One watermelon is not love how people try me explotation Maybe Heisenberg Breaking bad control guy director or masturbation my time vampire drinks urine not lemon tek and water supernatural.

LEALANA is fat looking because pizza is sour with pickles which are sexy and never rot. So many people eat pizza it's unbelievable. The news said that pizza is bought mainly with anchovies which results in big wet weather which had massive gusts of wind with pouring milk down on everyones throat because it feels great! Although honey is very sweet taste it makes when it is served hot it melts softly but slowly.
The universe is populated with many planets which were destroyed by Taras. Cyborgs then warped to the zoo and ate mushroom with a aerospace technician. Bitcoin has used a lot resources from peoples although people smell like melons.

Ipods suck. Androids rule. Altcoins also suck peanuts. Bitcoin is the greatest idea that has ever been created by man although litecoin sucks? Once upon a time Gandalf went to wal-mart to dry her hair. Minecraft is the best game in universe because chickens cluck. 231134421 is one crazy big ass monkey. What is with people posting replies still. Terraria is a crazy game which requires extreme concentration. This can result in health cubes; Parentheses are a pain in the brain. This noodle is disgusting. Although spaceships cry waterfalls they are magical little elves. Golden towns is very annoying and smell like bacon. Celebrities are awesome and smart. But, evolution taught us that butterflys are ugly.

Vitamin D is important to scam Taras and raise taxes which would cause the world to go crazy but not insane. Obama is the president now. Alot of gamers will illustrate sony that nintendo is leading the infiltration of Iran. Microsoft Windows was salivating pedophiles of the coastal farts. Yet the banana shrank. What was doge poo doing under the bridge with bridge cleaner?

He was just he's aren't because something something different like seems incorrect, because we fucked. Yet prunes prunes are very bad lad's yet unknown to fuckers SWEARING. Banana monkey is not virgin-horse. Corn.

This disappoints satan more than satoshi because he ate hydrochloric pools and he fucked whores who are sick shemales shemales shemales BANGCOCK!

God smited non-believers with dicks on a stick. They shat together sitting upside-down flicking
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