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1501  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Let's Design The Ideal Bitcoin Exchange on: March 10, 2014, 01:50:39 AM
Decentralize the platform. It should require no trust and be peer to peer. Tongue

↑ This. ↑

This was talked about extensively but we got nowhere.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=172705.msg2235263#msg2235263




We've got to make it happen. Satoshi did it, so can we - his peers.
1502  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Adventure of Bruno Phillibuster on: March 09, 2014, 09:59:47 PM
 He sees an island in the distance. After studying it he OH MY GOD HE'S FALLING TO THE SEA.
He lands and swims to the surface, using a strange and unpleasant chunk of matter for floatation.
1503  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: March 09, 2014, 09:53:01 PM
 Both by all means
1504  Other / Off-topic / Re: android users!! on: March 09, 2014, 06:15:00 PM
 Why do you need to root it? You're already much freer on stock Android than jailbroken ios.
1505  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hackers steal data from MtGox server and release it with Mark's reddit account. on: March 09, 2014, 06:12:32 PM
 I'll proceed to make cool visualizations with this zip.
1506  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Adventure of Bruno Phillibuster on: March 09, 2014, 05:37:13 PM
he begins to inhale the strange water and while coughing it out, he gets thrown again and then it is dark.
1507  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Identifying who mined which block (And which ones Satoshi got) on: March 09, 2014, 05:19:47 PM
For example in the graph immediately above you will see that the red blocks between 400 and 450 were probably all from the same miner.
They were Smiley
https://blockchain.info/tx/4d6edbeb62735d45ff1565385a8b0045f066055c9425e21540ea7a8060f08bf2
Regarding the extra nonce the early mining code always incremented the extra nonce until the application is restarted (in hindsight it would have been better to use a random number).  You can find this is the earliest copies of the bitcon software (which still had mining integrated in the client, you were always mining when the client was running). 
So, satoshi wasn't a special case; He just had a lot more power than everyone else it seems.

If all the early blocks are incremental we may be able to draw a lot of lines, not just for satoshi but for all identifiable early miners.
What still confuses me is the blocks in the 70s range. Hal mined 78. It appears to be at the end of a chain of incremental extra nonces, but Hal didn't mine those. I'll look into it.
1508  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin price visualized in delicious food! on: March 09, 2014, 05:07:07 PM
Yes YES YES
1509  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Adventure of Bruno Phillibuster on: March 09, 2014, 04:26:14 PM
It's suddenly very dark again.
1510  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Identifying who mined which block (And which ones Satoshi got) on: March 09, 2014, 04:16:21 PM

This seems to be a bunch of random anons. It's wholly possible satoshi stopped mining during this time. There's no pattern whatsoever.

Edit. Looking at the big picture:

The giant leaning towers of pisa are one blind miner, which we are still speculating to be satoshi.
The other blocks down below were early adopters; solo miners.
The four spent blocks on the far right were all mined by the same entity, which I refer to as Vaga.
The extraNonce is incremental. Maybe it's not a pattern exclusive to satoshi? Or it's blind luck.
We are going to need more information to come to a conclusion.
1511  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Identifying who mined which block (And which ones Satoshi got) on: March 09, 2014, 04:11:53 PM
What do you hope to achieve by this?
I'm trying to determine:
1) Who mined early blocks, for historical purposes
2) Just how many bitcoins Satoshi has
3) The behavior of the network in 2009
1512  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Identifying who mined which block (And which ones Satoshi got) on: March 09, 2014, 04:05:13 PM
The above post is getting a bit crowded. I think I'll start a fresh one.
Below are blocks 80 to 162.

Every single block on this graph follows satoshi's pattern...
Except block 131. Unspent, we won't know who mined it. Until it is spent. Which by the way could never ever happen, ever, but we'll see.

Edit.
Below are blocks 150 to 200.

Uhm... Did satoshi turn off his miner? Look at that jumbled mess of blocks.
1513  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Identifying who mined which block (And which ones Satoshi got) on: March 09, 2014, 03:33:09 PM
From now on I'm going to monologue my research.

Block 12 as was said by the guy in the paper was mined by another client. More likely than not a cipherpunk on the mailing list. Whether or not this was that person's only block remains unknown and will stay unknown until the block is spent, which could be forever.

Satoshi's block 14 is the peak of his first eN pattern. It resets for block 15.

Edit. Next twenty blocks below.

I should assume that blocks 15 to 25 were all satoshi's, since it's his distinct (so far) pattern, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions yet.
It resets again after 25. Now, this is interesting. It looks like someone else mined at least one block between block 27 and 29, but I don't think we'll ever know which. The pattern resets again on block 37.

Edit. If the miner anon who mined a block between 27 and 29 mined block 28, they would have had to mine 29 as well so as not to disrupt satoshi's pattern. They also could have mined 26, meaning satoshi's pattern started at anywhere between 26 and 29. These four blocks are the most confusing so far. We'll probably never get a conclusion on them. Not with this data.

Edit. Next twenty below.

This looks like it was exclusively satoshi's pattern.

Edit. Next twenty below.

Block 64 disrupts the pattern and is unspent. We will never know who mined it; Only that it wasn't satoshi.
Block 73 is where satoshi's pattern resets again. The next blocks are interesting:
Block 78, which we already know was mined by Hal Finney, fits into the pattern from 73 to 78.
Were blocks 73-77 mined by someone else? This makes no sense to me yet.
They weren't mined by Hal. His first block was 78, or "block 70-something" in his words.
COULD be satoshi. It fits his pattern, but it's really short, and why would it reset after Hal's block?
Maybe we will never know.

Edit.

The next 20 were mined with satoshi's pattern starting at 79.
This is nuts. Either satoshi was the only one mining at this time, or his hashrate was significantly higher than anyone else.

Edit.
To put things into perspective, here's the global share of mined blocks from 1 to 100.

1514  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Identifying who mined which block (And which ones Satoshi got) on: March 09, 2014, 03:19:07 PM
Here's what I have so far.

0 - Satoshi - Genesis block
1 - Satoshi - Premining starts
2 - Satoshi
3 - Satoshi
4 - Satoshi
5 - Satoshi
6 - Satoshi
7 - Satoshi
8 - Satoshi
9 - Satoshi - First block to be spent
10 - Satoshi - Premining ends, Bitcoin client released
11 - Satoshi - extraNonce pattern continues
12 - Unknown - Pattern disrupted
13 - Satoshi - Pattern continues
14 - Satoshi - This is the block in the first incremental pattern
78 - Hal - Coins traced to his paper wallet, personally claimed to mine "block 70-something"
163 - Unknown - There is no pattern at all it seems until about 190 (see chart below) Has satoshi stopped mining here?
193 - Unknown - Probably satoshi, incremental extraNonce starts
235 - Unknown - Coins spent, possibly identifiable
268 - Vaga
309 - |)ruid - Coins spent in conjunction with coins from 12hrp
317 - Unknown - Coins moved to another address, but are still there today
320 - |)ruid
417 - Vaga - Vaga's extraNonce pattern starts
431 - Vaga
442 - Vaga
450 - Vaga - Pattern ends, Vaga's coins move to one address, Vaga disappears forever

1515  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Identifying who mined which block (And which ones Satoshi got) on: March 09, 2014, 03:11:59 PM
This is not the first time this has been attempted via the extranonce:

http://www.bitcoinrumors.com/2013/04/18/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto-bitcoin-creator-visionary-and-genius/

The standing theory is that back in the early days Satoshi had a "blind miner" running to keep the network ticking over until enough people joined and stayed connected continuously to keep it running and allow the net-work effect to take hold.

Regardless, it's undeniable we can see Satoshi's footprint in those early blocks but whether or not anyone bothered to keep the coins being generated by the "blind miner" process is another question. After all, they had no value beyond academic interest back then.


I'm basing this on that original research. I'm looking for not only a way to identify "satoshi" but as many miners as possible.
I will search for any patterns at all. Not just the extraNonce either, I'm going to look into everything.
1516  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Any p2p exchanges on: March 09, 2014, 03:10:28 PM
Possible but I don't think it's ever been done
1517  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Adventure of Bruno Phillibuster on: March 09, 2014, 03:07:08 PM
He is propelled out into the open world. It is very bright and hard to see at first
1518  Economy / Services / Re: will write IMPRESSIVELY bad poetry (now palindromes/haiku too!) on: March 09, 2014, 03:03:50 PM
Keep it up Cool
It's not bad enough though come on guys
1519  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Identifying who mined which block (And which ones Satoshi got) on: March 09, 2014, 02:58:58 PM
Curious, what is your drawing/graph software/library?
OpenOffice Calc Smiley
1520  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blockchain.info Import Wallet Error on: March 09, 2014, 04:32:39 AM
Why not just import the private keys?
I think that's possible both ways between blockchain.info and qt.
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