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461  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: August 31, 2015, 11:52:09 AM
Is it better to save money in bank or invest it online, in real estate or maybe gold?

sell your bitcoin, buy Gold and sace your gold at safety place (Bank)  Cheesy
because gold will up to the moon if no people mine it  Cheesy

The capital appreciation percentage of bitcoin in terms of potential is 200 times more than gold, and I think the most riskiest investments also come with the huge benefit of high returns, safe and secure investments are boring, they are easy. I'd rather risk a bitcoin to make 4 out of it rather than invest the same time and energy on an investment with half the investment and even less returns.
462  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way to turn 2BTC into 4BTC on: August 31, 2015, 11:49:47 AM
Here is a very risky option:

Buy Litecoins when the LTC / BTC exchange rates drops below 0.006 (Right now, it is trading at 0.01247). Wait until the exchange rate zooms up to BTC0.02. At this point, convert your Litecoins back to BTC. You'll be left with 233% profit.

The other altcoins are not reliable. 

Investments with high returns are often risky, with prices continuing as they are, I think Gold won't be able to provide as much returns as it potentially could, considering at market situations. Even preference shares aren't worth the struggle anymore, the only thing which is globally making more money is the field of real estate, the growth has been great from last 5 years
463  Other / Off-topic / Re: DO YOU HAVE 1 BITCOIN? on: August 30, 2015, 04:14:41 PM
I have a couple bitcoins right now, plan to expand investment in it shortly. A regular user of btclend too, so I lend btc sometimes and take too. You know who are the most pathetic bitcoin users? Those who receive bitcoins by stating false promises and goals and use them for gambling, then they default and fucking run away cheating on creditors. That is the worst thing to do, but also if you are a creditor and you do not have the common sense to not lend big amounts to newbies, then you kinda deserve it.
464  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting on: August 30, 2015, 04:07:30 PM
So in simple and quick words, Bitcoin XT has a feature which tracks IP address of the user and although it states that is used for blacklisting purposes, it does go against the very fundamental of bitcoin. Why is the Bitcoin XT project not being discarded by the bitcoin users then? What is making them disregard their privacy and fuel hearn's shitty attitude? WHY
465  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi Nakamoto PLEASE resolve this debate? 1MB blockstream vs 8MB Gavin Blocks on: August 30, 2015, 04:02:31 PM
As if he will come out Smiley

its funny how people believe that there might even be a Satoshi out there, maybe it is a group of people who were dedicated to create a better technology, their goals could vary but their motivation was similar. And even if Satoshi exists, it is uncertain for him to come out now. He could be questioned about what his intentions are, if he wants to destroy banks and rule the drug world and make drug trafficking easy and all that shit. Nah, not worth it.
466  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin future in few words ? on: August 30, 2015, 03:47:31 PM
Akon has promoted bitcoin in Africa and believes in it. Ashton Kutcher too questions if the world can have decentralized security and promotes bitcoin, even invested his money in Bitpay. Rapper Nas is an investor in Coinbase, a website which every bitcoin noob has visited atleast once. Lilly Aleen who was asked to perform live for hundreds and thousands of bitcoins, she refused and said 'as if' before, regrets now Tongue Even Snoop Dogg once tweeted that his album would be “available in bitcoin" and "delivered in a drone". He was ofcourse kidding.

I provided information about famous people speaking a few words about bitcoin, otherwise who really gives a shit about my opinion either way? Smiley
467  Economy / Economics / Re: How many people are using Bitcoin debit card? on: August 30, 2015, 03:38:24 PM
It will become trendy when the fees will be lower than that are at the moment. But if we have a good amount of btc then its ok and for emergencies it is just fine enough.

I don't think that the fee will come down any lower. Right now, I am paying around 3% fee for cash withdrawals from my Bit-X debit Card. I am paying a slightly higher fee, for cash withdrawals using my credit card (which is issued by one of the local banks). The fee seems reasonable to me. So the only option is to get used to it.  Grin

Well if it is so then this is the perfect debit card for you. Can you share with us more details about the bit-x experience i really want to hear more about it.
Since i am a student i dont have to pay any fee for my debit card neither to withdraw money from it, that's why the fee seems high for me.

I am using that particular debit card, because I got it free of cost from Bit-X, as a reward for participating in their signature program. If that is not the case, then I believe there is a BTC0.05 one-time fee. You can find more information from their official thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006153.0

Even I own a Bit-x card which I received after participating in their signature campaign, they do not have that offer going on anymore, otherwise any member who joined their bit x campaign received a free card. I ordered another card for a family member and the charges seem to be pretty feasible. Do you use your bit x card as much as a bank debit/credit card?
468  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or Gold? What would you pick? on: August 30, 2015, 03:31:58 PM
So if OPEC dominance stops functioning and petrodollar is worthless, no petrol is being bought with dollar, would that destroy the dollar or atleast hurt it real bad? How would that affect the market, because I always thought that the only reason US is powerful is because dollar is used in petroleum trades. If the dollar loses its value, wouldn't US too be forced to pay back their debts?

Most of the US debt is locked up in 30-year bonds. So the US government will not be forced to repay the debt immediately. But there will be a problem, if the Americans are not able to sell new treasury bonds. If the demand is dull, then the Americans will be forced to offer a very high rate of interest (unlike the 2% or 3% per year which they are paying right now).

I think that the US debt is denominated in $ itself, right? I mean in a situation where US is forced to pay its debt, it will pay that back in dollars and the value of that debt will vary as per as the value of dollar. That is a huge advantage as they can print more dollars to pay off the debt. Countries like Greece who's debt is calculated in Euros do not share similar advantage, because they don't have control over value of the currency used to denominate their debt. America is on a win-win situation, eh?
469  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think Bitcoins has a great future in India? on: August 30, 2015, 03:20:19 PM

Bitcoin can have a huge effect on the informal sector, if utilized properly.

yes, it could benefit India vastly, because there are so many trades taking place in the infromal sector, where there is no government moderating transactions. Street markets and other products which are not taxed or governed by a designated authority could benefit largely, unfortunately literacy is a major problem which needs to be overcome in order to achieve such a trance of economy.

Looking at the population of India, If bitcoins gets positive feedback even from the half of the population from Indians, I believe it would a win - win situation for the bitcoin community.
Half of the population of India can not sign their name and you expect them to support bitcoin. Good luck to day dreaming. Cheesy

BURNNNNNN  Tongue
470  Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me your predictions about Bitcoin on: August 30, 2015, 03:08:03 PM
I think, bitcoin prices in 2016 will decrease due to the emergence of new coins that will exceed bitcoin
in 2016 we will hit 500$ i sure it

i hope we can hit something better than a mere 500, which was feasible this year at least in theory

if by the end of 2016 we are still at 500 something went utterly wrong, it seems that many cannot still consider how a joke the marketcap of bitcoin is, at the moment...

i hope more people interesting to use bitcoin, and we can use bitcoin to pay daily cost like restaurant caffe motel tax etc.
bitcoin price is actually not so important that the most important is that it can be used everyday

yes, the complete idea of not cashing out bitcoins and spending them while its worth increases fascinates me, I love the fact that you can buy things without telling people who you are, where you live, etc. I've never had problems with transactions too and I've rather benefited from bitcoin, little losses don't matter once you know bitcoin's potential and yours together Smiley

if you compare bitcoin with other payment like paypal , okpay, payeer
you can find high fee and can be tracked who you are Smiley


I don't really think bitcoin and paypal can be compared. They might perform similar actions but their features are varied. Bitcoin transaction fees could be as much as 10-20 satoshi as compared to paypal, which could be averaged to 0.29$. On paypal's website, they also go further and state that the standard rate for receiving payments for goods and services is 3.4% + $0.45 NZD. Bitcoin > Paypal
471  Economy / Economics / Re: What do you guess about he future of bitcoin? on: August 30, 2015, 12:16:30 PM
In about 5-7 years we will reach the mass adoption. Not the whole world will use Bitcoin, but critical masses, businesses, even many banks will be in.  1 BTC will be worth $10,000+. We will see about 3-4 more bubbles, followed with the big price corrections, just like the last bubble and previous ones.

Now the important part: All of this will happen if we do get our act together, if we reach consensus about the block size increase and if we can reach future major consensus, since I doubt that the block size will be the last one.

I'm very curious from what facts you have reached those conclusions. There are to many conclusions and not only one and this make those thought very interesting. I want to be able to do such things but I don't find the way to realize this. Can you give me a shot mate in which way you arrive in those conclusions? I would be very grateful...

all his conclusions sound like a noob's wet dreams, yes they are achievable but statistically speaking, its highly unlikely for such events to take place because it takes time for people to adopt something new, change is not easy always. Bitcoin's future can expand tremendously when more bitcoin related applications are created, goods and services are accepted by companies and there are more chances for faster growth when special bitcoin exclusive companies are launch which accept bitcoin as a mode of payment too.
472  Economy / Economics / Re: How Bitcoin Makes Banks Obsolete on: August 30, 2015, 12:13:21 PM
Why would anyone keep bitcoins in a bank? The whole concept of bitcoin revolves around using peer-to-peer technology to operate with no central authority or banks. It eliminates the nasty charges and unnecessary money sucking procedures that banks carry out in the name of providing you a storage for your money. You're giving banks power and underestimating bitcoins if you're keeping them with banks. Disgrace!

One word - Interest.
Right now, there are no avenues for me to safely invest my bitcoins. If a bank started accepting bitcoin deposits and pays interest on them, I would be ready to give them a chance.

well then you should check out platforms which lend btc, there are many websites for that which can even provide you quick interest over your bitcoins. Some examples of such website would be btclend, btcpop, etc. Check them out, maybe you can check out and browse some deals, it is a profitable opportunity for businessmen and private investors. An example of a btc lending post: https://bitlendingclub.com/loan/browse/lid/17584/30-btc-for-30-days-3-64

You can't compare bank deposits with lending platforms such as btclend.
My expertise is not in determining creditworthiness of borrowers - that is why I outsource it to a bank.
Plus with my bank I know that my deposits (to some extent) are covered by insurance.

I think that it is easy to determine the credibility of borrowers, just simplify it with factors like how much popular they are, if they are popular in the community it is obviously because they have always returned their money on time along with interest. Such people with trust points are a better investment, I keep investing and also borrow. It has helped me tremendously and it actually is beneficial, don't be too pessimistic about it. Its a little risky, but there are thousands of people using such services everyday, they profit. You can too, sir Smiley
473  Economy / Economics / Re: Do You Think Bitcoin Will Replace Dollar Soon? on: August 30, 2015, 12:09:18 PM
Soon is relative. In terms of fiat years, soon is probably 15-20 years, then it could happen.

Although I dont think the dollar will vanish completely, bitcoin definitely will need atleast 50 years to become a globally used currency. Big changes like that dont happen overnight guys.

yes ofcourse, we are discussing an economic revolution with some people speculating bitcoin could be used by everybody globally. I just can't adapt to such an idea because I see how gold has there for centuries, it still has great value, fiat has been super long and now bringing bitcoin to the fight, it seems bitcoin is just lacking experience. A lot of things can obviously be altered, as times change.

Theoretically it could be done in 5-7 years, but since the inertia of the masses, people evolve very slowly, and dont really like new things.

Bitcoin is so innovative and new that many people cant comprehend it, in my country most guys dont even have a bank account.

I think in countries where banking is popular, bitcoin could be faster,but where it is not there it might need more time for people to adapt.

Best case scenario is about 15 years, i`d give. Worst case scenario 60-70 years.

worst case scenario: never
474  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: August 30, 2015, 12:07:13 PM
A gambling problem is only when you losing. Personally, I believe that gambling has made me wise and brought more discipline in my life because I did it right, I never slipped once, never got angry and played with money I couldn't afford to. I have lost, I have lost big and I will be honest to admit that, infact somebody who never admits this is either a liar or has never played poker. Life is a gamble
475  Economy / Economics / Re: Stock Market Crash =\= Bitcoin Surge on: August 30, 2015, 12:01:42 PM
I believe that the result will be just the opposite. In case of a major stock market crash, the investors are likely to divert their investment to the less riskier options, such as bullion (gold, platinum, silver.etc) and government treasury bonds. In my opinion, the Bitcoin exchange rate will collapse in case of a stock market crash.

yes, in fact a lot of times I wonder that bitcoin too in itself is an altered and improvised version of a share investment, we see volatility in price of shares similarly to bitcoin, profits and losses are addressed exactly the same way and even taxed similarly. However, bitcoin along with the block chain technology is an offering of a complete economic evolution idea, the big picture. Oh, the dreams.
476  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think Bitcoins has a great future in India? on: August 30, 2015, 11:58:58 AM
Poverty in India has been addressed to decrease at a pace, and I don't think that majority of them are poor, that is such an immature thing to say man. I think 30-35% population might be poor. And I am defining poor as a person who has a very cheap house, no savings and probably no job and resources. There are millions of RICH FILTHY RICH Indians living in India and other places, trust me, India is not as poor as foreigners assume it to be. Attached a graph proving how it has reduced its position in the chart from other countries.

In India, just around 25,000,000 people pay their income tax (that is around 2% of the population). And remember that everyone earning more than $4,000 per year has to pay income tax to the government. This means that 98% of the population is earning less than $4,000 per year, or around $330 per month. That said, 25 million is a good number.

yes, you are right, I remember India's finance minister talking about how only 2-3% people pay tax, around 36 million people, and that is pretty much understandable why conditions are still not so good at rural places in India, because India is a big, big, big country when it comes to people, not land Tongue  A population of 1.25 billion people, that's like 1/6th population of the world is living in India :/
477  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or Gold? What would you pick? on: August 30, 2015, 11:49:31 AM
More bitcoin is traded in a day than gold despite the widespread knowledge of Gold.

That is not factually correct. Some 20 tonnes of gold is being traded on an average day, and it is worth around $700 million. On the other hand, the daily Bitcoin transaction is measured at around BTC200,000, which is worth some $45 million. This means that worth of gold being traded every day is more than 15 times that of Bitcoin.

in that case, I might be wrong because I did not know Gold is traded so much, but I did hear about crude oil being the world's biggest market and the costliest one, with one of the most priciest deals taking place every day. That is the very reason why dollar excels as a currency because of its involvement in buying petroleum, making it a petrodollar. correct?

Yes. Crude oil is still the world's most traded (real) commodity in terms of value. Even after the slump in crude oil prices, some $4 billion worth of petroleum is being traded every day, compared to $700 million worth of gold. But Deisik is correct. The petroleum trading will be dwarfed by the Derivative trading on various exchanges.

And Petrodollar will remain strong as long as the OPEC uses it. If the OPEC dominance is destroyed, then that will signal the demise of the Petro-dollar as well.

So if OPEC dominance stops functioning and petrodollar is worthless, no petrol is being bought with dollar, would that destroy the dollar or atleast hurt it real bad? How would that affect the market, because I always thought that the only reason US is powerful is because dollar is used in petroleum trades. If the dollar loses its value, wouldn't US too be forced to pay back their debts?
478  Economy / Economics / Re: What you will do if bitcoin price drops to 50$ and you have lots of bitcoin on: August 30, 2015, 11:46:21 AM
If Bitcoin drops to $50 per coin, then I'll start buying coins (but not a lot of them). I don't have much of a choice right now, as I am in a very difficult financial situation. But within one to one and a half year, my debts and loans will be gone, and I'll be having the freedom of having at least some amount of money in my hand.

If the price is at 50$, I don't think it would have much chances to appreciate either, because people who invested 1200$ buying bitcoin looking at the depreciation of their investments would never advise others, people would be way too demotivated and it would be something very short term, its just hard to imagine people having that trust in bitcoin when its price declined so much, breaking so many hearts and keyboards :/
479  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is Becoming a Global Currency on: August 30, 2015, 11:39:44 AM

This, the US dollar is a global currency due to its reserve currency status, also for the fact that oil is traded in dollars and finally because you can go to some countries and pay with it.


yes, the currency used for buying petroleum is called petrodollar which ensures trade taking place as it is essential and as dollar is used in trade almost everytime such a transaction takes place, its value is increased making it more secure for people. Along with that, other markets and countries also have a role to play which result in US becoming the most widely used currency, making it in a way, the global currency.

If I'm not mistaken, Iran under sanctions had been selling oil to China for euros. In their hatred for America, they went so far as to have set up a bourse on the island of Kish in the Persian Gulf. The bourse had been intended to operate in various currencies other than the US dollar (primarily the euro and Iranian rial)...

Don't know what's become of this enterprise, though

So basically this means that Iran competed with Russia to sell oil to China. What's the point competing anyway because Iran's money goes to the Russian reserves in return of missiles Wink I was wondering how China got that extra cash to invest in the oil from Iran, figured out its from trade surplus with the US itself Tongue World trade, nice concept.
480  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think Bitcoins has a great future in India? on: August 30, 2015, 11:33:34 AM
India might have one of the highest population figures in the world, but the majority of them are very poor. They have very skilled IT people and I know this, because I have worked with some of them.
   

Poverty in India has been addressed to decrease at a pace, and I don't think that majority of them are poor, that is such an immature thing to say man. I think 30-35% population might be poor. And I am defining poor as a person who has a very cheap house, no savings and probably no job and resources. There are millions of RICH FILTHY RICH Indians living in India and other places, trust me, India is not as poor as foreigners assume it to be. Attached a graph proving how it has reduced its position in the chart from other countries.



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