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81  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin7 - Official letter, following first week of operation on: June 28, 2011, 03:01:51 PM
@ DamienBlack



I want to see you put your foot down firmly. You guys are the main beneficiary of these scam threads, so if you don't make it clear and public policy that anyone who commits these types of scams is going to have their commission privileges 100% revoked, then I consider you responsible for these thread. As long as that is the case I will never consider signing up with you. Which is a shame, because I want to see more exchanges succeed.

That's not fair at all. They can't stop people from doing this! Yes they can pull their commissions but they have to be informed of it and they have just stated that they will investigate all reports.

Some guy in the world wants to deceive people and you are going to blame B7 for any thread that arises from here on out? So while they're out to breakfast and having a coffee and some guy at his computer terminal concocts some plan to deceive others the B7 team is responsible?!?

82  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: America is about to hit the toilet and probably with most of the world. on: June 28, 2011, 02:30:49 PM
I say, we should rule out hyperinflation by demanding that all governments adopt Bitcoins as the new fundamental entity that all sovereign / central bank currencies are required to be backed by; it can be the new medium for international settlements.   Smiley

Declaring that 1 US dollar (Federal Reserve Note) is convertible to 0.00001 BTC sounds about right - that makes the base money supply about US$2T (asymptotically, once all Bitcoins are mined), which is about the same amount that exists in physical coins and bills today.  And corresponding conversion factors can be adopted for GBP, Euros, etc.  Then basically the entire world will be on one monetary system - Bitcoins - and international trade can be much more streamlined.  But all of the existing financial infrastructure can remain in place.

See my new blog post - http://minetopics.blogspot.com/2011/06/bitcoin-banking-and-new-gold-standard.html
And feel free to repost it widely.  Smiley

Interesting. But what should become of all that precious gold? I do agree with you that the banks should be able to work with BTC. Totally viable.
83  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (1.8Thash/s) on: June 28, 2011, 02:15:30 PM
How about that bad luck on Slush's pool today!

Are you celebrating 2 minutes blocks in the same way as hating the long rounds? Smiley

Right! This is pretty dam good:


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84  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Watching amateur finance types flail on: June 28, 2011, 03:40:06 AM
he can't make any money from Bitcoin, other than as a miner or a participant.  "professional" finance types don't like exposure to <s>risk</s> reality.  they want to make money without touching, earning, or creating it.  and if one of their investments tanks, they were only advisors - not vested.

hence; naked credit default swaps.

Bitcoin isn't like that, is it?

+1

The mistake people make when they look at the Bitcoin price chart and scream "bubble" is that they fail to understand Bitcoin is still in the price discovery phase.

Nothing like it has ever been priced.  This is an awesome experiment and I am glad to be part of it.

PS:  I am a DBA with 25 years experience, a Futures Trader/Advisor in Australia and a merchant who accepts Bitcoin.

That is an excellent point. It could easily go up to $200 and then go sideways until the market decided that was fair.
85  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin7 - Official letter, following first week of operation on: June 28, 2011, 03:34:28 AM
"Heh that's like saying....."etc., No it wasn't a closing argument and a "I win" after that statement. I just meant, STFU.
Which is why you tried to shut him down and stop him from voicing his valid opinion for no reason at all except to close the argument on your side with a mocking "And of course trolls keep trollin'. What else can you do?"

Cool story bro.

"And of course trolls keep trollin'. What else can you do?"

No, that was meant for you. I think you missed that part.
86  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin7 - Official letter, following first week of operation on: June 28, 2011, 03:32:40 AM
"Some cultures", etc..... I wasn't referring to Bulgarians you fool. You falsely label me a racist. I'm not a racist, I'm a bigot. My bigotry tends towards the disdain of idiocy. Which you demonstrate.

Heh, I must stop using irony, it seems this forum needs some jokes spelled out. This particular (apparently wasted) attempt tied into bitcoin7 painting themselves victims of racism against Bulgarians. If you seriously thought I think you're a racist you're the idiot. Now I'll STFU.

No, I'll STFU!!    Grin
87  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: America is about to hit the toilet and probably with most of the world. on: June 28, 2011, 03:22:15 AM

Break down patterns? What in the world are you talking about? They're in consolidation patterns right now, likely to start moving up sharply in the next few weeks.


Settle yourself there hoss.
Youll be educated.
34.50 WAS long term support.
If 32 breaks....were looking at significant decline.



Oh, ok. You read a lot of emotion in that? Hoss.

And if we don't break 32 you'll be educated? One of us is going to get an education huh? Right. If the price goes down nothing changes long term. I give a rat's ass about short term price movements because of a manipulated paper market. It means nothing.

Besides a "significant decline" would bring on too much physical buying. Not even JP Morgan wants that.

Dude I'm not trying to make you wrong and me right. chill
88  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: America is about to hit the toilet and probably with most of the world. on: June 27, 2011, 08:51:34 PM
A far more interesting question is whether or not the dollar will be allowed to fall in value and thus reduce America's debts.  If it does, then Bitcoin, commodities and the Swiss Franc are a one way bet for people with significant dollar exposure.



No offense friend but that is not an interesting question to a student of monetary history. It's money 101. In any fiat currency system the most common method to cover your debts is to devalue your currency. Better to have an ill equipped irate citizenry than to default on soverign debt and pay the price for SCORES of years. TPTB devalue the currency, create an enemy then go to war satiating the blood lust of the citizens who are PISSED that they have no money.

You are correct, the CHF and BTC and shoe strings will gain value relative to the USD.
89  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: America is about to hit the toilet and probably with most of the world. on: June 27, 2011, 08:47:11 PM
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Forty-eight percent say that another Great Depression is likely to occur in the next year.

This is staggeringly alarming!

A lot of us on this forum have probably been assuming a massive collapse since 2008, but for the reality to hit the collective consciousness like this means we're probably hitting the knee of the curve then onwards full speed to SHTF time?

I would spread wealth around all commodities, including Bitcoin, and not forgetting food/water.

Most people who think a Great Depression is coming think their prospects for a job are reduced. Maybe less frappacinos. Most are still unaware of the currency dangers out there.
90  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: America is about to hit the toilet and probably with most of the world. on: June 27, 2011, 08:44:34 PM
we're already in the depression, it will just worsen.  The consumer is toast and
Housing is being given away to squatters.  The happy time news doesnt convey the reality.
People in the industries know whats up and it aint pretty.

On top of this gold and silver are in break down patterns.  So that wealth preservation is eroding, mostly due to the comex cartel.
Physical is being priced much differently however.

Will BTC be a wealth preserver?  Id say not much better than silver, if even that good. BTC is a speculative vehicle for the moment, anything is possible until it actually gets some real meaning.  

Break down patterns? What in the world are you talking about? They're in consolidation patterns right now, likely to start moving up sharply in the next few weeks.

Break down pattern? Nonsense. If you are talking about the comex paper trading yes that's true but that was never a wealth preservation mechanism. It was a trading mechanism.

I agree with you that BTC is entirely speculative at the moment so to predict it's price action would be futile. A wealth preserver? I would say that yes, BTC will have value on the other side of the coming devaluation. Will it be the best wealth preserver? That's the question. I personally do not think so. I think the tried and true will be turned to first: silver and gold.

BTC will survive though and may even thrive shortly thereafter. The world I see post USD will be mostly digital silver and gold anyway so this will lend credibility to BTC. People will see it as all digital so what's the damn difference? "What's easier for me to get?"

Am I buying BTC with this knowledge? Yes. Why? Because I already own silver and getting BTC isn't any easier. And besides, you never know!!!   Wink
91  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (1.8Thash/s) on: June 27, 2011, 03:48:30 PM
i'm sitting on quite a bit of unconfirmed rewards from this pool atm, and it doesnt seem to update.

Nor do my confirmed rewards seem to update at this point, has been like that since yesterday evening.

Am i doing something wrong or does it just have to do with the increased difficulty on finding blocks?

Watch the blocks and confirmations on the "Statistics" page. If you see a block get fully confirmed and you have an estimated reward for it you should see the confirmed reward move up slightly. Write the number down and track it like this.

If it's not moving at all then I would say you have some issue. What are you hashing out rate wise?


i have the same problem. the blocks get confirmed in statistics but the number for 'confirmed reward' didn't change.

You have to write out the 8 digits. Some of the changes can be very small and imperceptible. If you are getting a reward of .00234561 it may get confirmed and you might not notice unless you have written it out.

92  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (1.8Thash/s) on: June 27, 2011, 03:20:09 PM
i'm sitting on quite a bit of unconfirmed rewards from this pool atm, and it doesnt seem to update.

Nor do my confirmed rewards seem to update at this point, has been like that since yesterday evening.

Am i doing something wrong or does it just have to do with the increased difficulty on finding blocks?

Watch the blocks and confirmations on the "Statistics" page. If you see a block get fully confirmed and you have an estimated reward for it you should see the confirmed reward move up slightly. Write the number down and track it like this.

If it's not moving at all then I would say you have some issue. What are you hashing out rate wise?
93  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin7 - Official letter, following first week of operation on: June 27, 2011, 01:46:46 AM
Why should they address that on this thread? It's been covered on different threads and those who received messages (including myself) from B7 to promote them have mostly disclosed what the details were.

The problem is that there were at least 2 different messages. Most (like you I presume) got the benign one, others (like jgarzik and Bruce Wagner) got one which an ethics officer in a real company would term unethical bribery. The fact that bitcoin7 knowingly made the distinction says enough.

Since you have made a sweeping statement calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a hypocrite, I see no reason to further debate ethics with you.

BTW, hypocrites in this context would be people who bribed others, or said they wouldn't do business with bitcoin7 and did anyway, not anyone who told their girlfriend that her new haircut really looks great.

Quote from: finnthecelt
Some cultures would not even consider promoting your service without some type of kickback. Indeed, they would be offended.

Hey, raging on Bulgaria again? You racist! QED

Quote from: finnthecelt
Now STFU! And of course trolls keep trollin'. What else can you do?

Heh, that's like saying "anyone below this line has lost the argument <----->".

Let's set the record straight; I didn't call everyone who doesn't agree with me a hypocrite, I called EVERYONE a hypocrite. Big difference.

"Some cultures", etc..... I wasn't referring to Bulgarians you fool. You falsely label me a racist. I'm not a racist, I'm a bigot. My bigotry tends towards the disdain of idiocy. Which you demonstrate.

"Heh that's like saying....."etc., No it wasn't a closing argument and a "I win" after that statement. I just meant, STFU.
94  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Watching amateur finance types flail on: June 27, 2011, 01:30:00 AM


Bitcoin is (in theory) beyond the control of governments, so it can't be manipulated and inflated or killed by them. Unlike your other examples it is decentralized (as mentioned), and it is (or can be) private so it can move across police state or capital-controlled borders. 

Those are some of its technical points, but there is a certain morality at play here too. The invention of bitcoin is the response of humanity to the economic system that we were born into and which we now understand oppresses us and always has. A tiny financial class benefits enormously from the present system and seems to be so arrogant that they no longer attempt to hide their thefts from us, their victims. Something simply has to be done. So, you can be "amused" watching us little people struggle but what kind of man are you? What are you doing to right the wrongs of this parasitic class? Is the morality of an investment something you consider for your clients or do you have them invested in oil companies, Monsanto, uranium miners, defense companies, etc.?

Very well said, sir. Very well said. Many have confused the making of money as being a valid replacement for morals and ethics.
95  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin7 - Official letter, following first week of operation on: June 25, 2011, 12:49:56 AM
About the thing of offering money for a recommendation:
Srsly, get over it guys! They are not native english, and were probably in a hurry too, so it might have likely come across far more offensive/direct than intended.

Finally a useful european Bitcoin Exchange! Smiley
If they are really secure and trustworthy, only time will tell - but for the beginning, I'm happy.
No, you're absolutely right. I'm not denying that businesses do this kind of stuff all the time, and while it may seem illegitimate to me it doesn't mean the entire thing is a scam.

What I and others are saying is that we would like at least some mention, instead of them pretending that those messages they sent do not exist. This is making situations worse.

I actually created a Bitcoin7 account and got all the way to the steps of depositing money before I thought "Ehhh, actually I'm gonna wait until they get around to issuing a statement or some kind of acknowledgement for those weird messages they sent." so I'm not trying to just bash them endlessly.

I would like as many options in the Bitcoin world as possible so I'd love for them to be legit, but I'm not going to trust them in this situation. It's made worse that they've been so open and apologetic about everything else but haven't mentioned this at all.

Does this really have to be a discussion? They did something shady, users would like an answer. If other users do not feel an answer is needed, they don't have to ask, but it's not doing you any harm if we're trying to get B7 to own up. Tongue

Tronlet you are officially under suspicion for being a troll. You just won't let it die. YOU sound like the shady one with an agenda.

96  Other / Off-topic / Re: fuck you mtgox on: June 24, 2011, 11:44:24 PM
LOL! I don't remember when I last laughed this hard.....!   Grin
97  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (1.8Thash/s) on: June 24, 2011, 11:34:26 PM
That block took 4:03:06. Holy crap!

Wowza's!!!! .05 reward. Awesome!!
98  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin7 - Official letter, following first week of operation on: June 24, 2011, 11:18:38 PM
Finn, you're missing the point. Bitcoin7 is assuming a facade of innocence and offering excuses and apologies for all the mistakes they made, yet mysteriously skipping over this one. We're just asking for an official response, maybe an apology or perhaps some explanation.

From your first post, I thought you were actually saying they had provided this, although now I see you were simply saying that the point had been discussed? Of course it's been discussed, to no end, but that doesn't change the fact that Bitcoin7 hasn't yet provided a statement as they have for all other mishaps.

oh u.

Well aren't you super sleuth.....

99  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Watching amateur finance types flail on: June 24, 2011, 11:07:15 PM
@hawks5999,

Talking of web statistics, does Alexa shows an "Average time on site" or an "Average time running away from the site" to his... thing?


100  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (1.8Thash/s) on: June 24, 2011, 10:44:06 PM
Holy 3 hour block!!!

Welcome to the new difficulty level!!

You did see that 4 min one at this level right? Holy shite if this is the new normal....
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