Does the seller side has to have the bitcoins when the contract is made?
No. That's the whole idea behind "regulated" bitcoin markets. You don't need to have a single satoshi to sell thousands of bitcoins and suppress price. Bankers think that bitcoin ETFs will solve bitcoin supply "problem". When the contract expires seller has to anyway have to get the coins from somewhere to be able to sell them to the buyer? Nope. Actual delivery of bitcoins is forbidden. Just like in gold futures and ETFs. At the expiry date profit/loss is cleared through the seller's margin deposit which is in dollars. If the seller is systemically important bank and they did the wrong bet Fed will print new dollars and will give them to pay for their loss. The buyer side was there to buy some bitcoins. If he will not have them, what will he have? The dollars? The contract said for example buyer will buy three bitcoins for price 3500$ per one coin which is total 10500$. But the day price is 4500$ per bitcoin which is total 13500$. So the buyer will have 3000$ for bank account? |
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Does the seller side has to have the bitcoins when the contract is made?
No. That's the whole idea behind "regulated" bitcoin markets. You don't need to have a single satoshi to sell thousands of bitcoins and suppress price. Bankers think that bitcoin ETFs will solve bitcoin supply "problem". When the contract expires seller has to anyway have to get the coins from somewhere to be able to sell them to the buyer? |
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 Getting ready with some popcorns...  So when that short close? Where is the source of it? |
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 still curious what all these things are gonna bring ..... Future is an agreement whereby one party undertakes to buy and the other sell some commodity at a specific price at a specific moment in the future. Does the seller side has to have the bitcoins when the contract is made? How it is made sure the seller have them when they are needed to be sold? And how it is made sure the buyer has fiat to buy? |
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Volume may go over 7B$ soon.
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That article misses one rather large thingy which is unlike gold BTC can be verified and delivered to anyone anywhere in the world at any time. That's kinda the point. Yea. I know. That relieves me. But believe me. Most people can't make difference between the paper BTC and the real BTC. Until they go shopping, where only real BTC is valid. So that why we need LN and real world use. |
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Since the whole thread is people pretending the losses are entirely temporary paper losses while under the delusion the price will be a trillion dollars per coin someday, I think the downward grind and actual capitulation number might surprise even me. At this point, from $2xxx to $1xxx will be the despair phase, and three digits will be the anger phase where random shitcoiners start sending death threats to people like Antonoplous for tricking them into malinvestments.
Do you think the decline is due to people panicing or due to TPTB, like this https://breakermag.com/when-wall-street-financializes-bitcoin-who-benefits/and the futures? |
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Currently I am having a hard time seeing these isolated charts. So much is happening in crypto/finance right now. Ethereum imploding and reaching the technical wall so many of us saw coming. BCH melting down. BSV being propped up by a billionaire or two. The era of forks slowing. The era of blockchain attacks is heating up (e.g. vertcoin attack) What is beginning to look like 2008-2009 scenario in world markets. (Global reset possible) So these things just don't move in isolation. Well those are good sings. But what do you think about this? https://breakermag.com/when-wall-street-financializes-bitcoin-who-benefits/Most people are unable to make difference between paper BTC and real BTC. But blockchain can. So we need actual use of BTC on real shopping. The real difference here is gold settlement is the lynchpin for paper gold to work. If you HOLD YOUR PRIVATE KEYS. They can't make fake bitcoin out of them. I am not sure what mean "paper gold work"? But I know it works for the TPTB but not for the people. If you HOLD YOUR PRIVATE KEYS. They can't make fake bitcoin out of them.
Thats hard for people to understand, until they want to buy something with the paper gold. Blockchain says no. So thats why we need real world BTC shopping. Do those paper bitcoin all ready exitst? And if so, what is the effect on BTC price? And what about the BTC futures? |
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Currently I am having a hard time seeing these isolated charts. So much is happening in crypto/finance right now. Ethereum imploding and reaching the technical wall so many of us saw coming. BCH melting down. BSV being propped up by a billionaire or two. The era of forks slowing. The era of blockchain attacks is heating up (e.g. vertcoin attack) What is beginning to look like 2008-2009 scenario in world markets. (Global reset possible) So these things just don't move in isolation. Well those are good sings. But what do you think about this? https://breakermag.com/when-wall-street-financializes-bitcoin-who-benefits/Most people are unable to make difference between paper BTC and real BTC. But blockchain can. So we need actual use of BTC on real shopping. |
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forgot to say, the eth chart says it's going to 17, not 50 lol rekt. it might bounce before that utter humiliation but w/e
trouble is, 'everyone' says that^ and wants to rebuy that scammy nonsense at that level
to flip it to its retarded believers
o.k... ETH going to $17 rather than $50. Maybe o.k. for bitcoin long term, but short term aren't they all crashing together. In other words, even if some of the alts and shitcoins are crashing more than bitcoin, aren't they bringing bitcoin down with them? I'm fucking buying Eth at $17 for sure If this works https://breakermag.com/when-wall-street-financializes-bitcoin-who-benefits/that price is possible. |
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How much the BTC futures have to do with this decline from ATH to this level?
In all the conversations I have read on this subject, most agree that the volume moved by futures contracts does not affect the decline from the ATH Example of CME Group: When compared to the rest of the contracts traded on the exchange operator worldwide, Bitcoin futures are insignificant, weighing only 0.03% of all trading at CME Group. https://www.newsbtc.com/2018/10/18/cme-bitcoin-futures-contract-hits-volume-high-of-5053-contracts-in-q3-up-by-41/(If it is true that coincidentally, the days of descent coincide with the closing of futures.  ) Is there chart of futures close and BTC price available? |
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How much the BTC futures have to do with this decline from ATH to this level?
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BOOM!  Is the December figure an estimate or only for the first five days? |
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Price has pumped while volume has declined. Good time to buy?
And now the volume a little pumped too.
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The volume has declined under 6B$. Lets hope the price will not dip.
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I HATE THIS FUCKING WORLD, EVERYTHING REVOLVES AROUND FUCKING MONEY. WHY THE FUCK CANT WE JUST ALL SHARE THE FUCKING RESOURCES FOR BASIC SURVIVAL. WHY SHOULD A FUCKING MARKET DETERMINE IF SOMEONE GOES HOMELESS. FUCKING ALL THE LAND IS OWNED BY FUCKING BILLIONAIRES , HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU OWN LAND IT SHOULD BE FREE WE WERE BORN ON EARTH. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THE POOREST PEOPLE ARE THE HARDEST WORKERS. THIS LIFE IS FUCKED GLOBAL WARMING KILLING US ANYWAYS.
Everything goes around money because of TPTB. Google more about it. |
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The biggest catalyst that'd make BTC price skyrocket higher is simply move all your BTC to your PERSONAL bitcoin wallet (move off of Coinbase, Binance, Bitfinex, Square, Robinhood, CBOE/CME futures).
Fractional reserve, BTC lending, rehypothication is a bitch and can perpetually create no floor for prices by establishment market manipulators.
Plus if history is any indication, one these avenues will blow up and wreck the "holders" of bitcoin that really wasn't there because they failed to take such advice.
Take it off the exchanges and see what happens.
Well, are people able to download electrum wallet or print a paper wallet and move coins there? Most are not. Just think about some highly educated dudes with some university degrees like doctors, layers, mathematicians, geologists and so on. Are they able to hold coins by themselves. No, most of them are not. And these are considered to be the high IQ people. Better than anyone else. But they don't comprehend to do a very simple task. Download the wallet and the move coins there. What a retards. So many people will hold coins on those centralized "services". But does it make any difference? Exchanges can manipulate price anyway. With out any coins. They just can create fake trades with fake volumes and with fake prices. Just like they wish. I think the decentralized exchanges will better tell us the real price of the coins. |
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It's a shithole out there man. A cesspool of sig campaigning google translate feces.
Stay in this thread. It is the only reliably decent place on the forum.
I absolutely agree with you 100%. The funny thing is they tried to lock this thread. All the shit out there on the forum with shilling and broken sentences and this was the thread they tried to stop.  Who tried? |
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