Кому не нравится Виталик как разработчик ПО. Вопрос решается вообще легко.
Заходите на гидхап. Жмёте кнопку форкнуть. И всё. Разрабатывайте дальше без Виталика.
Гидхап, ёпть. Совсем ламер, что ли? Гитхаб. Кстати, есличо, Виталик много наразрабатывал? Вижу какую-то хрень на Питоне и Джаве. Где можно узреть его гениальный код на C++ или Go? https://github.com/vbuterin |
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I would love to debate this with the anonymous scammers using a moderated thread to protect themselves from hard questions, and sock puppets to FUD infinitely superior projects.
First off, ETC had no consensus, so they are not the valid chain. Claiming hash power of 15% does not make for consensus, only a fool would believe that, convince me the earth is flat, that is about the level of claiming 15% is a majority. It was based purely on theft and bribes. Good luck using THAT to last into the future. Additionally, a 2am ninja add by Poloniex also indicates some level of complicity. However, as we only have two major Alt exchanges left, I would rather just focus on my own project than burning others down and risking the entire crypto ecosystem. Lastly, Franko and I are two of the most honest people in all of crypto, and the BIG TIME scammers are afraid of us. They cannot compete in the light, only in the shadows with deception.
EXP is crap compared to ETC. Your mantras of transparency to justify the 11kk premine are ridiculous. So cut off this pathetic bullshit in bold and get to the point. ETC shares the same whitepaper with ETH and gonna be even more transparent. No more foundation and Vitalik's buddies to pursue their own financial interests. Their devs don't have any premine. ETC will survive and take over ETH some day. |
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Кто-то желает уровнять цену обеих монет, видимо. Вот будет весело, если скоро мы увидим все по 4 доллара.
Кто-то диверсифицирует риски. Ставить всё на форкнутый ETH сейчас могут только самые упоротые адепты. Виталька сильно подмочил свою репутацию. У ETC хорошая динамика. |
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Genisis (60M Crowdsale+12M Other): 72,009,990.50 Ether
The 60M was the ICO.
So didn't get ETH foundation get the other 12Million that they are still holding ?
The foundation got nothing. Ethereum Switzerland GmbH managed 31k BTC from the crowdsale. A good question who shared those remaining 12kk coins. I'm sure Vitalik got his part of the pie. |
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Cease and Decist To Bitpop and all other creators/retainers of Ethereum Classic.
You may not be aware of this, but "Ethereum" is a registered trademark, your reckless use of the Ethereum brand has caused substantial losses to our shareholders (in the millions of dollars), in which you can be held responsible.
This is a 0-day notice to immediately change, or remove, in every place possible, your description of Ethereum Classic that does not have any name or mark confusingly similar.
We are choosing not to reveal our identity and give you an opportunity to comply. You are hereby notified that if you do not comply with this request, we will immediately file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission and the Attorney General's office in your state. Civil and criminal claims will be pursued.shitheads shareholders,
"Ethereum" is a registered trademark under the U.S. law claimed by Stiftung Ethereum (Grienbachstrasse 55, Baar, 6340, Schweiz). However "Ethereum Classic" should be registered separately and there is no such registration.
We are deeply concerned about alleged substantial losses to you, the shareholders, though Stiftung Ethereum is a non-profit entity under the Swiss law with no profits and shareholders whatsoever. If you are shareholders of Ethereum Switzerland GmbH which has managed spending of the 31k BTC premine until recently, your statement is of no effect because the forementioned business (CHE-349.816.493) is being liquidated:
"Ethereum Switzerland GmbH, in Baar, CHE-349.816.493, Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung (SHAB Nr. 202 vom 19.10.2015, Publ. 2432897). Statutenänderung: 06.04.2016. Firma neu: Ethereum Switzerland GmbH in Liquidation. Uebersetzungen der Firma neu: (Ethereum Switzerlan Sàrl en liquidation) (Ethereum Switzerlan LLC in liquidation). Sitz neu: Zug. Domizil neu: Zeughausgasse 7, 6300 Zug. Die Gesellschafterversammlung hat die Verlegung des Sitzes nach Zug beschlossen. Anschliessend wird die Gesellschaft mit Beschluss der Gesellschafterversammlung vom 06.04.2016 aufgelöst. Ausgeschiedene Personen und erloschene Unterschriften: Gerring, Taylor, amerikanischer Staatsangehöriger, in Baar, Geschäftsführer, mit Einzelunterschrift. Eingetragene Personen neu oder mutierend: Chan, Siu-Ming, amerikanische Staatsangehörige, in Zug, Liquidatorin, mit Einzelunterschrift.
Tagesregister-Nr. 6091 vom 10.05.2016 / CHE-349.816.493 / 02830989"
Feel free to fuck yourself let us know your further legal concerns.
Sincerely,
Ty Coon, President of Vice
Yoyodyne, Inc.
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Кстати, как по мне, то EXP хороший вариант. Без премайна без Ико, без бардака. Думаю в понедельник/вторник, оно полетит выше 200к. Уверены, что без премайна? Откуда же тогда взялись 11 млн exp? http://www.expanse.tech/explorer/accountsПотом почти вся сеть expanse контролируется dwarfpool-ом. 43-48ГХ у него стабильно, а хешрейт сети плавает от 50ГХ до 70ГХ. Намайнелось? Я хз, прочитал, что без премайна у них в твиттере, ты майнил их самого первого дня, был ли там премайн? Всё нашел, да Reserve: 11 Million (Community Managed). Эти 11 лимонов монет были нарисованы с самого начала. Чтобы не называть это премайном, они пишут community DAO. Звездоболы. |
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Как по мне то банальная рейдеская атака, с применением некоторых техник спецслужб. Облить грязью, напустить тумана,превратить истину в ложь а ложь в истину. На 90% уверен что стоят наши,хамский уровень тролей со Сколково и методы ведения информационной войны как косвенные признаки причастности братьев -славян к атаки. Только вот концовка какая, ну даже если они вынудят уйти ВБ из эфира своими манипуляциями то ему и его команде ничего не мешает создать новый токиен. Вся система держится на их работе, без них что класик что форк банально умрут.
След рептилоидов с Нибиру ещё не нашли? Вся работа пока держится на бабле, которое Виталька и компания получили от распила премайна. Их предупреждали о последствиях. Если хотят, пусть бросают ETH и лабают новую монету, потом не отмоются.  |
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They deleted my posts from the new self-moderated thread because I don't play their scam game. A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave. You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations. WHY relaunch if it old coin
To make more money on losers who fall for it. Copy, paste, profit. Nothing exclusive here and never was.Sure their copy-paste coin has nothing exclusive to offer. Any objections? When they spent some BTC on a quick pump earlier today to get attention and their shills followed up, I pointed it out: "A 2 BTC pump, what a joke. This thing will be dumped hard anyway unless you keep pumping BTC in until you run out of it." They deleted my post of course. EXCL is a scam! |
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Splitting was the next step when ETH and ETC were out of these scammy exchanges. There are many ways to do this safely if you have the coins in your local wallet. |
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livecoin
ETHEREUM CLASSIC NEWS
Created 30.07.2016 00:38
Dear clients, when the Ethereum Classic (hereinafter ETC) appeared on the market, we announced that we were going to add it with ETC deposit to our customers’ accounts. But when we started working on integration, we encountered an unpleasant surprise. Because of the ETC architecture particularities and its direct relation with the genuine Ethereum (ETH), the transactions between these two coins are connected in one way or another. This relation is neither expected nor common practice in cryptocurrency.
When we adjusted the ETC in test mode, we found that we had no funds in ETC, since the transactions in ETH and ETC are associated and funds had been withdrawn by our clients in the process of normal deposit-withdrawn of ETH, we assume that it was sent to Poloniex, because at that time, trading on ETC occured only there.
Going forward we examined the situation in detail and came to the conclusion that either the ETC developers or Poloniex had to take over at least a minimum function of notifying all the other exchanges trading ETH to protect their ETC funds from loss. The quantity of such exchanges is not so high, no more than 15. We believe that to send 15 warning letters was quite capable. We have not received any notification concerning protection of funds in the ETC from anyone. We do not believe it is a fair way of doing business from the side of the ETC developers, and from the exchange, which was first to put in the ETC trades.
At the moment we may add trading pairs with ETC, but we do not see any sense in this as all the ETC funds are already withdrawn by our clients who have been aware of this network features. In addition, according to our opinion, due to the relation of blockchains with ETC and ETH there is a risk of fraudulent manipulations, and we are not willing to risk our clients’ accounts.
If Livecoin admins were surprised by the fact that the same keys and tx's were validated by both networks, it sucks to be them. They should have separated their ETH and ETC balances immediately after the fork like Polo did. When a user transferred ETH from their exchange, this tx was broadcast to both networks and the user received both ETH and ETC. |
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ETHEREUM CLASSIC NEWS
Создано 30.07.2016 00:38
Уважаемые клиенты, в момент появления Ethereum Classic (далее ETC) на рынке мы объявляли, что собираемся его вводить, с начислением ETC на балансы нашим клиентам. Но когда мы начали работы по подключению, нас ждал неприятный сюрприз. В силу особенностей архитектуры ETC и ее непосредственной связи с обычным Ethereum (ETH), транзакции между этими двумя монетами связаны в той или иной мере. Такая связь не является ни ожидаемой, ни принятой практикой в мире криптовалют.
Когда мы подключили ETC в тестовом режиме, то обнаружили что средств в ЕТС у нас нет, так как транзакции ETH и ETC связаны и средства были выведены клиентами в процессе обычного ввода-вывода ЕТН, мы предполагаем что выведены на Poloniex, т.к. на тот момент торги по ETC шли только там.
Далее мы изучили эту ситуацию детальнее и пришли к выводу, что либо сами разработчики ЕТС, либо Poloniex, должны были взять на себя хотя бы минимальную функцию уведомления всех остальных бирж, торгующих ETH о том, чтобы те защитили свои ETC средства от несанкционированного вывода, для последующего распределения. Таких бирж не так много, не более 15. Мы считаем, что разослать 15 предупредительных писем было вполне по силам. Мы не получали ни от кого никаких уведомлений по поводу защиты средств в ЕТС. Мы не считаем это справедливым ведением бизнеса как со стороны разработчиков ETC, так и со стороны биржи, которая первой ввела торги по ETC у себя.
В данный момент мы можем добавить торговые пары с ЕТС, но мы не видим никакого смысла в этом, поскольку все ЕТС уже выведены клиентами, находившимися в курсе особенностей данной сети. К тому же, по нашему мнению, в связи со связью блокчейнов ETC и ETH остается риск мошеннических манипуляций, а мы не готовы рисковать средствами клиентов. Да, с такой репутацией, классик будет говнофорком, с 1.5 юзерами. что либо сами разработчики ЕТС, либо Poloniex, должны были взять на себя хотя бы минимальную функцию уведомления всех остальных бирж Зачем им это? Они специально всё сделали тайно чтоб обворовать. Скам же, о чём говорить  Мозги включать надо перед тем, как кричать "скам". Если для хозяев Лайвкоина стало открытием, что одни и те же ключи и операции валидируются обоими сетями, тогда совсем печаль. Юзер делает вывод ETH с биржи на свой кошель, операция попадает в обе сети и он получает сразу ETH и ETC. Если бы биржа сразу после форка развела свои ETH и ETC по разным кошелям, "чуда" не произошло бы. На Поло так и сделали, о чём прямо сказали. Теперь лузеры жалуются, что им лично никто ликбез не провёл  |
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I hope developers realize that not only can they get forked, now eth miners have no morals and will 51% attack them. Eth has no morals It was expected unfortunately. Their core value is money and nothing else. They forked to save their asses, I mean coins, when the DAO fucked up. ETC is a threat to their business model. They will try hard to destroy ETC and they don't mind the costs. Ethereum Foundation is like another transnational corporation playing dirty games. |
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dunno if y'all heard this yet...but i just found out and im selling a few etc for ETH ...enjoy guys  https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4v2ug3/zksnarks_zero_knowledge_proofs_now_possible_via/[–]vbuterinJust some guy 33 points 10 hours ago Basically you will be able to use this to verify arbitrary (computable) claims about information, eg. statements of the form F(x) = y for a known F and y (though x can be private). This can compete with interactive verification as a tool for cheaply verifying expensive computations and serve similar use cases (though sometimes the interactive verification approach is still much more efficient), but the zero-knowledge component also allows for powerful privacy-preserving protocols on top of Ethereum. Examples include: Cryptographic mixers - essentially, the ZK-SNARK verification enforces the rule that if you put one coin in you can take one coin and only one coin out, but the input-output mapping is completely hidden. Hawk - essentially, smart contracts with encrypted state, where the full power of the blockchain is still used to verify that state transitions are correct because anyone updating the state needs to include a ZK-SNARK proving that the change from the old encrypted state to the new encrypted state is a valid state transition (proving all of this without revealing what the decrypted old or new states, or the decrypted transaction data, is!). Only on ETH Etc will have it too dont you mean etc might have it, if it works on it? but we wont know unless we try to fork?... ETH team made it clear they only developing for ETH If it's gonna work for ETH, it's gonna work for ETC as well. Unless they wait until PoW is over for ETH and put it into their new Scala wallet. I guess ETC will keep PoW and the existing C++ and Go wallets. |
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Я тоже часть сообщества, и тоже был за форк. В голосовании у нас в теме тут, победили сторонники форка. Обдумав и проанализировав ситуацию, я считаю что ETC скам. Который завернули в обвёртку о децентрализации, на самом деле же это скам чтоб заработать на лохах. Эфир шел долгое время и было проделана огромная работа. Только после этого его капитализация стала миллиардной. Классик же не успев выйти вдруг стал стоять 1$ и выше. Хотя его создатели и сторонники не сделали ничего! И создали его из воздуха. После его выхода на полониек, его цена скатилась в пол и катилась дальше. Пока не был сделан искусственный памп. Создан узким кругом людей. По сему его цена полностью нереальна. Также вдруг многи биткоин максималисты вдруг поддержали классик, как же так? Вы предали биткоин голубчики? Также мутные мутки полониекс, битновостей и других персонажей не даёт никакой веры в классик. Классик это полный скам. Со всех сторон. А тот факт что его вдруг поддержали биткоин максималисты говорит лишь об дном. Это атака на Эфир. За 7 лет существование биткоина, появилась первая альтернатива ему, которая угрожает его монополии в мире криптовалют. Это атака трусов, не способных дать ответ в виде кода!  Это полная атака на свободу, это диктат, который говорит, эфир должен быть таким то таким то. Нет, эфир будет таким, каким решат его пользователи, и если они решили, что не будут отдавать эфир какому то прыщавому хакеру, значит так и будет. Это суть свободы. Эта атака только укрепит Эфир, ведь поезд уже мчится, и эти атаки его не остановят. Ухаха, не ожидал такой истерики от гуру кефира. Может ему акк взломали? И уровень аргументации тоже на высоте Мож ему дилер плохую траву подогнал?  ETC не больше скам, чем сам ETH. В крипте не та демократия, где большинство навязывает свою волю меньшинству, которое утирается и молчит в тряпочку. Здесь меньшинство показало средний палец Витальке и его конторе, которые возомнили себя ХЗ кем, от чего у многих из большинства случился разрыв шаблона |
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I would love to see EXP delisted on POLO now that we have ETC
This coin has got no substance to it and just pump and dumps making the DEVS rich...
Good luck bagholders
It won't get delisted as long as there is some trade volume. However your point is kinda valid. With ETC being a less expensive branch of Ethereum where people can test and deploy their smart contracts for cheap to a much larger audience, EXP becomes a pure P&D toy. |
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Dapps dont work on etc....etc must fork....FACT
Dude, get your meds right. They will work just fine when their devs add them to this chain. Give'em some time to sort out their stuff. @VladZamfir Ethc will need to hardfork to isolate itself from Eth. Its Dapps will be hampered by replay attacks. https://twitter.com/VladZamfir/status/757287474850848768& https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4udq75/joint_statement_from_digix_and_maker_regarding/Joint Statement from Digix and Maker Regarding Hard Fork Wherever it makes sense to do so, the "true" version of any deployed contract related to the Digix or Maker contract systems should be interpreted as residing on Ethereum (ETH) "pro-fork" chain. Any system updates will proceed as planned on ETH. We are not responsible for any ETC stolen via replay attacks against our systems. Users are encouraged to be cautious of replays on ETC and to use a splitting contract such as the one published by Kraken to preserve any ETC they care about. Pre-fork smart contracts exist on both chains even if their devs support only one. If they have vulnerabilities by design, that's their problem. If they don't care to have their ETC in these contracts protected, why anyone else should? |
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В сети по любому будут реплееры. Они ваши транзакции из одной сети будут перенаправлять в другую. Так что отправка ETH/ETC старого происхождения сработает сразу в двух сетях. А вновь намайненного - только в своей сети. Ну и монеты, которые были в DAO тоже по разному будут себя вести в обеих сетях.
Я так понял,хардофрк прошел успешно Все идет как и планировалось...ну и придурки... А можно на классике хардфррк сделать? Будет еще один эфир Можно форкнутый ещё раз форкнуть, когда на PoS будет переход. Запасайтесь пивом и чипсами, веселуха не за горами. |
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Dapps dont work on etc....etc must fork....FACT
Dude, get your meds right. They will work just fine when their devs add them to this chain. Give'em some time to sort out their stuff. |
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... the squiggly lines ...
... Those squiggly lines ... As I understand it, there are two major language groups linguists have identified, English and Communist. English has many dialects, like Australian and British, and Communist also has many dialects, like Russian, Chinese and Middle Eastern. Language experts further break down Communist languages into categories like 'Upside Down Backwards', including Russian, and 'Squiggly', like Chinese and Arabic. So technically, at least in America, Russian is not a Squiggly language but an Upside Down Backwards language. fwiw some geographical info on current nodes 46.101.27.9 London 201.239.46.137 Chile 94.72.113.11 Poland 186.23.160.142 Argentina 195.9.85.220 Russia 91.155.235.8 Finland 212.227.143.155 Germany Umm, the Russian, Chinese and Arabic langs aren't even remotely related. Those Russian written characters look like a weird version of Latin characters to a westerner, but their number is about the same and you can learn how to pronounce Russian words in no time. Sure, it takes much more to understand and speak properly. OTOH, the Asian calligraphy is nonsense to both westerners and Russians. Only a small number of Russians who live in the Far East can do some Chinese. I must admit Russians are generally reluctant to learn foreign languages very much like Brits. Yeah, most Russians are supposed to learn some English at schools, but they don't seem to care really. Brits also don't care much about French the same way.  |
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Any clues on this stuff? Is it bullshit or real thing? https://bitflikz.com/blogs/news/ethereum-whales-offer-legal-support-for-dao-hacker-challenging-foundationHello puppets,
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What a time to be alive. If your new to crypto go get yourself some fresh air and a glass of water. This sort or craze has been happening since 2009 and it only gets better. Just remember, your emotions will destroy you in this game.
Now again, we have work to do and need to make it snappy. Our previous long positions are closed over .021 (thanks for the confidence) and bag-holders are now left scratching their heads. "What happened?" Just another day...
Im gonna bang this out and get back to the markets.
Put simply: The Ethereum Foundation is bound by the original contract that we Genesis investors supported. They are legally obliged to support the chain and develop constructively.
The Foundations funding is also tied to this contract and they must act responsible with allocated funds.
The ETH DEVS, unknown to them at this moment, are owned by the original chain that is trading as ETC on the Poloiniex exchange.
The offending hardfork clone, trading fraudulently as ETH on the exchanges was a major mistake. The original chain with integrity was never going to fade away and die. Slock.it's selfish, greedy and entitled arrogance have now cost the Ethereum community over $800M USD in losses.
The ETH logo, branding, domains, github and funds belong to the original Ethereum chain. The Hardfrok has no entitlement and must seek alternative options.
The positive to come out of this is that we now have a new authority in town. Before the drama our $USD position was commendable but has now grown beyond our forecast to include a rather ludicrous appreciation.
Did we know something before you all again? Yes we did. Poloniex supporting ETC was no surprise but we explicitly state, no information was willingly passed to us of this revelation.
Our trading activity? An 8hr liquidation of our ETH holdings and subsequent 3 hours building short positions across the 3 major exchanges.
Once the ETC was listed on Poloniex, we purchased X amount over 3 hours under .0012. As you are aware, we are defending the .001 area on the market from those who wish to harm price discovery. We wish you the best. Under a 10-1 dilution, we have enough BTC to absorb attempts and will
This may well be the most epic battle of all time but unfortunately we will win the war. What makes me so confident? Besides crypto morals and ethics (those new to crypto and ETH have no idea) we have the law in our hands. Any foolish cries about some "hack" are outlandish and crude. If BTC hardforked for every transaction we disagreed with it would be worthless by now. This is happening with the Ethereum hardfork as we speak and we reminisce of the Vericoin mintpal HF.
Fortunately for us, when we provided our BTC for the luscious 1BTC-2000ETH there was a nice little spiel that we had to agree to before ploughing BTC into the ETH foundation.
This foundation, as much as they might not like it, have a legal obligation to support and develop on this chain. The Foundations ETH funds, are not a slush fund or "free money" to do so as they please. They are there because people like me provided our support a year ago for them to do something for us on a blockchain. Develop it.
Its the funding we provided and that equity has purpose. The Clone (ETH) on the other hand has no obligation from the foundation regardless of community consensus. The foundation is bound to the original chain. They are welcome to work on the fork in their spare time but it is no priority.
We expect a statement from the Foundation within the next 72hrs expressing their support.
Now that the tables have turned and you all realise "forking" doesn's solve shit your all back to square 1. Can you fork back and recover the $USD?
We reach out to the individual/collective group who rightfully and legally claimed the DAO funds. We express our full support and offer our backing with any funding/legal support necessary. Please contact us and we will fly to your destination to begin counsel.
We are holding our ground and will challenge the Ethereum foundation to any objections to the above claims. We would also like to speak with any individuals that hold interest in launching action.
Our next blog post will detail our trading activity and demonstrate our influence within the ecosystem. We now reach out to collective mining pools and will be providing support and incentives for early switches back to the original network.
Due to recent success and popular demand, we will be providing an email subscription allowing access to our trade alerts and information pool. Please keep updated and follow along. I will add this feature within the next 3 hours.
Time is of the essence and I need to get back to the books -Enjoy the moment
If you found this helpful or wish to show your support, goodluck
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thank you,
gtg
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