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181  Economy / Speculation / [CAIXIN] PBOC BANS ALL BTC FIAT CHANNELS (DEADLINE MAY 10) on: April 25, 2014, 03:42:28 AM
http://finance.caixin.com/2014-04-25/100670605.html

Quote from: Halczy from Reddit
In a recent meeting, the PBOC publicly criticized two banks, Bank of China and China Merchants Bank, that still provide services to BTCChina.

PBOC Official Mu reaffirms their policies on Bitcoin which stated all financial institutions cannot directly or indirectly provide services to Bitcoin related companies.

After the crackdown on Bitcoin, many Bitcoin exchanges, including Huobi and OKCoin, find ways to bypass regulation by creating “deposit codes” and allow customer to purchase or trade these codes through online stores.

Recently, OKCoin announced their new “deposit codes” system. The new system will allow customers convert their CNY deposits at the exchange into codes of equivalent value. They can either transfer these codes to other customers on the exchange or sell them at online stores or other public marketplaces. Huobi and BTCChina also have a similar system.

During the recent meeting, the PBOC clarified some languages in their policies. One PBOC official said, “The current level of services that banks and third-party payment processors provide counts as directly providing services to Bitcoin related companies. Online stores and public marketplaces that sells or trades “deposit codes” from Bitcoin exchanges counts as indirectly providing services to Bitcoin related companies”. The PBOC official made clear that both of kinds of services must stop. Banks and third-party payment processors must close their payment terminals at these exchanges and terminate their accounts immediately.

As of April 24th, Bitcoin exchanges had closed most of their deposit channels including banks and third-party processors. However, some banks are still providing deposit and withdraw services to Bitcoin exchanges.

Also stressed during the PBOC meeting is that withdraws of CNY through Bitcoin exchanges must end as well. The PBOC is asking all government agencies to monitor Bitcoin related money transfers. Agencies must respond swiftly to the list of bank accounts that the PBOC sent out.

  • PBOC requires commercial banks and 3rd party processors to cease services dealing indirectly with BTC. E.g. OKCoin alternative recharge channel, Alipay, etc.
  • The only remaining banks offering BTC services (Bank of China; China Merchants Bank, BTCChina and Huobi) must immediatly close their fiat deposit channels
  • Bitcoin exchanges (and their banks) must halt BTC to cash withdrawal. Read: Fiat withdrawal channel.
  • Alipay has already terminated all services dealing with Bitcoin (as of April 24).

Update (April 26)

http://www.weibo.com/2149945883/B1wQbdDTM?mod=weibotime

Quote
Since China Merchants Bank recently issued a notice, Bitcoin Chinese capital security considerations for users and platform stability operations, decided to suspend the account of RMB CMB recharge. Subsequent updates, stay tuned to our official website and microblogging, Thanks again for your BTCChina's concern and support bulletin
182  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 25, 2014, 03:22:09 AM
Gox dump
183  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]Faircoin - MULTIPOOL PAYS --- 20%--- BONUS! for the next week!! on: April 22, 2014, 04:26:29 AM
Terrible announcement. I haven't been following FAC for the past two weeks, but this is definitely a step in the wrong direction. Look at what happened with Lottocoin/NobleCoin. Infrastructure got bigger, but the coin lost 90% of its value.

If you want to pump the coin, play games with the community. As an example, draw random prizes (like GFX cards) as FAC reaches new highs, etc. Do multipool promotions,... No one expects an altcoin to become an actual currency, there's BTC for that
184  Economy / Speculation / Re: WTF is that sell order troll wall?! on: April 22, 2014, 04:01:00 AM
Yeah looks to be a glitch IMO, doesn't appear on any of the big charts
185  Economy / Speculation / Re: FWD: OKCoin suspends ALL bank deposits on: April 21, 2014, 06:21:37 PM
OK if your an OP and you post a big block of text with a TL;DR; on your behalf why do you post it?

The topic subject is utter BS.

This only affects recharge codes. Recharge codes is just anonther escrowish way of injecting money into an exchange if you can't do a direct bank transfer.
As what I can read they are revising some code/method to enhance stability. You can still withdraw so you should not get goxxed.

Stop the FUD!!

This is not a repost AFAIK. I don't care how people interpret it.
186  Economy / Speculation / FWD: OKCoin suspends ALL bank deposits on: April 21, 2014, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: Reddit, okcoin_rep

OKCoin is revising our recharging methods.

Due to the unclear regulations/policies put forth by the banks and the instability of the recharge methods we have decided to suspend all bank recharge functions(withdrawals are not affected) until there is more clarity surrounding bank policy. At which time we will revise our methods accordingly. From here on we will be employing a “Recharge Code” method, this method may be used with every major bank. OKCoin is doing everything in our power to ensure that our users’ ability to recharge their accounts will continue uninhibited.

As not to affect the normal market prices, for the time being, revisions to our site’s recharging methods will not be published again. Users who have only used our previous system please log in to OKCoin and try out our new method. If you run into any issues while recharging your account please contact OKCoin 24/7 at our Customer Service Hotline: 400-660-9037

How the recharge codes work:

OKCoin’s recharge codes are now online.

For the convenience of our customers’ withdrawals and deposits OKCoin has launched a recharge code service. Users can withdrawal money via a recharge code and then transfer the code to other OKCoin users who need to recharge. There is no fee to withdrawal via recharge codes. These codes can be circulated, recharged, and withdrawn freely among OKCoin users. A customer can also simply withdraw via a bank withdrawal as these remain unaffected.

OKCoin Recharge Code Explanation: The recharge code is separated into two parts, A and B(think private key and public key). Part A(public key) allows users to check validity as well as the amount belonging to the code. Part B(private code) is used for recharging. Only with both A and B can one successfully recharge their code. When one withdrawals using the recharge codes it uses the same A and B two part system. Please do not reveal your code’s Part B(private key) to others.

Note: (1) A minimum of 100RMB and a maximum of 1,000,000RMB can be withdrawn with no fees. (2) OKCoin recharge codes require both part A and B to recharge. (3) Recharge codes may be used by ones self, or alternatively can be given to other OKCoin users to be used by them. (4). Part A is used to validate. After Part A has received an inquiry the code will be frozen for one(1) hour, during which time other users will not be able to inquire about the code. After an hour, it will return to normal. It is recommended that the buying and selling parties complete the transaction within the hour. Part B is used to recharge. After the buyer takes control of Part B, recharges will be frozen for an hour. After the seller confirms the transaction the code can be used to recharge the account. If the buyer doesn’t confirm the transaction for 7 days, it will automatically be transferred to your account. (5) Please choose a reputable seller to buy recharge codes, disputes arising from transactions due to recharge codes must be resolved by the buyers and sellers of said codes, OKCoin is not responsible for resolving such disputes. (6) You can(and we suggest you do) choose to buy your recharge codes from an OKCoin certified dealer. Please charge the card first and then make the remittance.

So, an example of how this would work is below:

You would like to buy 1000 USD worth of BTC. You go to our webpage and find a verified seller(Account Management—>Recharge RMB—>OKCoin Recharge Code Dealers, scroll down for our verified sellers). You would contact him and tell him you would like to charge 1000 USD. He would then send you Part A(the public key) of the recharge code to validate the amount. This freezes the recharge code for the next hour as to keep the selling party from withdrawing the funds after you check. The selling party then sends you Part B(the private key) and then you send them the 1000 USD at which point they will confirm the transaction. You have now successfully purchased a recharge code with which you may recharge your code.

TL;DR OKCoin/Huobi become eBay-like platforms where you buy BTC directly from the owners

Reason why this hasn't been posted on the website: Fear of "effecting" the price. This is old news, posted 13 hours ago.
187  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] (WC) | WhiteCoin | Distribution Stage Begins TODAY! ☯ PoS ☯ exchanges ☯ on: April 19, 2014, 10:54:30 PM
PPS: At current price (2k Satoshi), mining is not worth it.

Then why multipools have selected WC for mining? they only work for the most profitable

My bad. I was off by an order in my calculation. WC is actually the most profitable as of now. Although current price is being supported since hours now, I wonder if 150 million coins can be dumped at that. (Requires 3000 BTC)

Support has all but been broken now

I won't be so quick to conclude that. I think people are being far too judgemental. Why can't miners be the people who believe in this coin and they intend to hold it? Just playing devil's advocate. Number of naysayers for WC are astounding. Makes me want to take a counterview.

Small miners are holding this coin TIGHT!!! they missed BC train, they dont wanna loose this one

Multipool dump will help liquidity on the market for the ones that arent mining, numbers look grate

If a was a dumper, i will wait to get more value to make my move, maybe 10K sat.

I for sure gonna sell half my stash right away if price reach 10K

AND THIS

is exactly why we'll witness a massive gigantic DUMP and freefall to 100 satoshi when we reach 10K satoshi (if it ever happens)
188  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] (WC) | WhiteCoin | Distribution Stage Begins TODAY! ☯ PoS ☯ exchanges ☯ on: April 19, 2014, 05:10:49 PM
Rumors of WC forked?
189  Economy / Speculation / Buy support is nonexistent over Huobi on: April 19, 2014, 04:04:33 AM
Every big sell (over 200BTC) just crashes the price and there's no one to back it up. This is the third time already. Why?

For every 10BTC buy there's a 100BTC sell

190  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 11:17:59 PM
Bear flag? There doesn't seem to be any buying power supporting those small dumps. At least 100BTC dumped and I only see small 0.05 buys

this is my non biased day trading approach.  Cheesy in case it is a bear flag. also break below 490 would be a pretty strong bear signal.



I'm a noob trader (no TA, only trade following news). Which indicators should reveal which direction BTC is heading short-term? Or am I supposed to watch the market book every minute and wait for a dump/pump?
191  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 11:00:38 PM
Bear flag? There doesn't seem to be any buying power supporting those small dumps. At least 100BTC dumped and I only see small 0.05 buys
192  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: THE EDGECOIN SCAM !!!!! NEW POST TO GATHER INFORMATION !!!! on: April 17, 2014, 09:38:16 PM
Lol. 0.03BTC is nothing.

I've lost as much as 10BTC in those scams, especially duckduckcoin and panda
193  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Wallets Stolen By Hackers][We're Sorry][Contact Anon136 For Escrow] on: April 17, 2014, 07:00:53 PM


69.5BTC 73.3BTC!!! NEW RECORD!


194  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Wallets Stolen By Hackers][We're Sorry][Contact Anon136 For Escrow] on: April 17, 2014, 06:49:25 PM
Your coins are gone. Only time will heal these wounds and dampen the impact of such theft.

I would like thank everyone who joined us in this battle. Cryptocurrency will live on, but it's time for us to die.

Unfortunately there's not much we can do for direct investors.

That's quite unfortunate. Your BTC wallet has been stolen? By yourself? Ever heard about cold storage?

Why are the BTCs still unspent on the Blockchain? Why didn't you save your private key?

LOL @ thanking everyone for joining the IPO. What a scam. "Your coins are gone." You don't even look remorseful saying that.

Why is your email address not working anymore?

69.5BTC 73.3BTC
195  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Wallets Stolen By Hackers][We're Sorry][Contact Anon136 For Escrow] on: April 17, 2014, 06:42:23 PM
Here's how they did it.

Follow these steps:

1. Create Stackcoin without offering Escrow.
2. 69.5BTC!
3. Create another Stackcoin, but this time appear more legit and offer Escrow services. Invest more time in developing fake UIs and promotion. Build trust, and hope that investors invest directly
4. 69.5BTC again!
5. Huh
196  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [Wallets Stolen By Hackers][We're Sorry][Contact Anon136 For Escrow] on: April 17, 2014, 06:37:46 PM
69.5 BTC

For some reason Edgecoin looked too similar to Stackcoin
If you invested directly, you are stupid. Thankfully they offered Escrow
197  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 10:53:06 AM
Let me guess .. the dip is again based on some chinese story?
Is this the chinese version of 1001 stories?

Market correction + China ban. I wouldn't worry about it. Anything over $480 is really good imo
There is no "China ban" their government already stated that there won't be a BTC ban, they want people to trade, the banks are just backing off.
Don't repeat FUD.

I know. They never stated anything about banning BTC. But they're closing all bank accounts, etc.
198  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 10:47:26 AM
a LOT of fake volume on Huobi.
199  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 17, 2014, 10:43:59 AM
Let me guess .. the dip is again based on some chinese story?
Is this the chinese version of 1001 stories?

Market correction + China ban. I wouldn't worry about it. Anything over $480 is really good imo
200  Economy / Speculation / Re: BREAKING NEWS. CHINA BANKS BAN ON APRIL 18TH on: April 17, 2014, 10:28:11 AM
News like this won't affect bitcoin in the slightest, except for create short-term dips in price.

...and back down we go! lol

I believe banks ban is already priced in up to a point. If we go down, it's also market correction. Deposits/withdrawals still working all-around in China. ATMs will be available soon. China knows that central bank is banning public/private bank accounts and doing this step-by-step.

However, if bank transfers must be halted completely, then that, I would worry about. For now I would expect things to stay relatively stable, price over $450+ for short-term
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