Remember, csjenks is not Payu or AP. Correct. That is the new developer they brought on board after my departure. csjenks (that's me) and MazaTalk.com are independent of the development team. The new dev "DataMan" is someone else. Thanks everyone for all the feedback on MazaTalk, it's a community website and I appreciate those that are advocating I be included as part of the official development team. I am a big fan of this site even tho your latest news post makes it look like I want the fork for reward changes which I clearly am not for. My goal was to help address this: http://explorer.mazacoin.org/chain/MazaCoin?count=20&hi=431268 blocks in an hour which breaks the "easy and fast moving block chain" feature on the website. Thanks, sorry didn't mean confuse your point. What causes this? Multipools really screw up difficulty and pool hashing. It is not uncommon to see some coins get stuck on a block for an hour or more if the diff is too high. Revamping the calculation or merged mining stabilizes and prevents this. Only problem with merged mine is you completely blow away any change of smaller support from smaller miners to keep the chain running. DarkCoin has their own calculation for difficulty which is pretty interesting. Been following that to see how they do. |
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Remember, csjenks is not Payu or AP. Correct. That is the new developer they brought on board after my departure. csjenks (that's me) and MazaTalk.com are independent of the development team. The new dev "DataMan" is someone else. Thanks everyone for all the feedback on MazaTalk, it's a community website and I appreciate those that are advocating I be included as part of the official development team. I am a big fan of this site even tho your latest news post makes it look like I want the fork for reward changes which I clearly am not for. My goal was to help address this: http://explorer.mazacoin.org/chain/MazaCoin?count=20&hi=431268 blocks in an hour which breaks the "easy and fast moving block chain" feature on the website. |
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" http://crjones.com/" that website makes my entire brain hurt... good gawd. almost as bad as the new maza site:P Please, for the love of god, someone at maza sign up a web designer for the main site. Evidently everyone currently involved with maza has vision issues or are stuck in 1995. Lol yea. When someone showed me that, they may have found the only person with a worse website than the MazaCoin one. I don't have access to the mazacoin email but there was some cool looking ones that were very clean and had all the info that some users submitted. Not sure how they ended up with this one. |
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All points well taken, Boxxa.
All I'm trying to say is that I don't put much stock in a CNN report one way or the other. If it goes badly, it doesn't impact my view much. If it goes well, it may not excite the right people.
Yeah okay, money owns media but media is also frequently brainless. Very brainless. Short attention span. Chases its own tail. Especially infotainment kind of media like CNN. There's very little news purpose left at that subsidiary of Time Warner. This kind of media acts like an 8 year old at Disneyworld most of the time. It's tuned to about that intellectual level and degree of focus.
And it doesn't seem to me that any CNN report will necessarily be of great influence among the folks whose adoption of the currency is the lynchpin of its survival. Even if the CNN thing got canned, or they did a crappy job of it (very possible), it's probably not nearly as material to the coin's future as some people think it might be.
I'm not trying to argue, I just don't place great stock in this development.
I don't disagree, I actually agree with you. =) Not any major game changer of a report but will help fill in the gaps between news coverage and boost some attention for more investors and buyers of the coin. I woudn't be suprised if we hit the 500-800 mark during the attention before all the big holders dump and knock the price down. Haha. csjenks is the owner of http://www.reddit.com/user/csjenksI saw the reddit post and really wanted to help build up the subreddit for information and news. I gave him big props and just is another member of the community that was so motivating to see and really wish I could help more. The new dev is: http://crjones.com/ |
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The CNN news coverage (there will be people debating this was a scam) from what I have discussed with Payu is legit. There will be some cameras on site this month to film. From what I know about big media, this could make it to the air or not but if it does, the price will go up another 100x for a short term IMO. If it doesn't air, the FUD spewers will have a field day and this price will drop into single digits with no hope of coming back IMO. Either way, do I invest? Yes. I still mine Bitcoin and make buys of MZC to hold. It has the biggest potential to grow the most this years so it is a cheap investment but there is risk that comes with it. Just not a coin you are going to see news updates every day as there is a lot of stuff Payu deals with that isn't published.
+1000 You know, I'm what you would call an activist, I suppose, in "real life". I'm happily, and I really mean happily, settled out of the spotlight these days, but a few years ago I had lots of major media attention focused on my cause and sometimes me personally. Yes, CNN, yes, personal profiles in newspapers and magazines, debate the bad guys on the BBC or whatever. The Tonight Show. Fictionalized versions of your stuff on TV and movies. It went on and on. What I learned about most of this media, though, is that almost all of them aren't really marching to any intelligent beat. And unless the particular media you are talking about has specific influence with the constituency you need to convince, while it might create a lot of noise, it may not have any particularly beneficial effect in the end. So a CNN piece might impress somebody in the city, but if I understand the dynamics here correctly, I kind of doubt that what CNN has to say really carries much weight among people with influence in the Lakota nation. So, okay, great, the exposure of a CNN story gets the palefaces excited, and that's probably not bad if the piece doesn't make any major errors, but I don't really see how it would be determinative of the coin's future. Just my $0.02. And, definitely, they will jerk your chain forever and then drop the planned coverage in a heartbeat if something else comes up. Once they cough up the money to send a crew out there and film, however, that becomes less likely, especially since the location is "remote" and probably expensive as far as the big media are concerned. If you live in the US, you should be aware that money controls big media and outlets serve those who run it. CNN has a political backing so depending on the outcome of the report, it could fully be pulled at anytime or tailored to a way that would make sure the network supports its own interests. Also, the report could be placed in prime time coverage or run at 3am and have very little attention. We will not know until they go onsite, which is step one and as you said, them investing into the story. What they air, when the air it, and the flow of the story will be key elements into the Lakota and their use of MazaCoin. MazaCoin isn't really a popular topic in government and the whole US/Tribal relations based on the current mess that has been happening so I don't trust big media until the message that is recorded is the same message that makes it to air. =)
There was community submitted designs that all were vetoed. We also had people wanting to translate the site in multiple languages, modernize the icon, and a ton of other work. Again, all vetoed. I met in the IRC channel and talked to a lot of users who were looking to help and tried to keep them involved. Everything was vetoed by AP. One of the biggest motivating things about this project was how the people in the community rallied and wanted to help with every aspect. Being unable to help them, I decided to leave and move on learning what I did.
Payu handles all the media and tribal dealings. He is the one that runs the acceptance and meeting with tribal leaders to get the name out there and initially secured the 100% support from the tribe to pursue the crypto venture. His impact on this project is amazing and I still am in touch with him daily. He really is a great person and the things he has dealt with on this project is unbelievable from the pressure from states to give up and the tribal politics and corruption he has uncovered.
AP is the developer. He has the original code and plan and handles all the development on the website, twitter, clients, etc. I was told to not work on the client updates anymore and there will be no updates this year, even cosmetic, to help usability. The website and exchange was all done by him and wasn't even going to deviate from the original template even after it was cloned to MapleCoin and another coin that wanted our help, then suddenly this abomination of a design showed up.
I first just want to thank you for replying. Many here (including myself) were sort of begging for any Maza devs to post here. I think you guys may have underestimated how much it could have helped your cause early on if there was a dev presense in this forum. One key problem with the coin is that many investors don't really invest in the coin alone. We are investing in the devs and creator of the coin. And then we see things like MapleCoin... then the website... I would have thought there were be a legal agreement between Payu/AP/you that no clones, ripoffs or similar coins to Maza could be created by any party. It's like signing up a software dev for an app/game, and a month later the same dev makes a ripoff using the same code. It's a weird way to go about things, at least from an outsider's perspective. Anyway, thanks again for posting. I do agree the CNN thing could potentially help a lot. I just wonder how the coin would have done if it had a different coder on-board. And turning away help offered by the community is just silly, which I realize wasn't your call... but it's hard to fathom. Both the logo made here in this forum, and the mazatalk website, are much better than what the coin is using now. I agree. I distanced myself from that as fast as possible. I did not agree with the same layout, using the MazaCoin twitter feed to promote it, or the release of it during the heart of the doubt around MZC. Really raised more doubt about the coin and was another poor PR move. I supported and wanted to get involved with MazaCoin as it has a root into something big. I really believed that the cause and problems faced would be a start of the crypto world as a whole as this was a small scale declaring a currency for a nation of people while also solving problems of using technology in a area that is not that advanced or wealthy. Lot of challenges and advancements that are being worked on but I did not want to associate myself with a mine and burn coin that had no basis. The only thing MapleCoin had was the icon looked better. who are you talking to ? (just outta interest)
My mom. She can be so damn annoying.  Yeah I have found that too  wow much mum joke! ha ha I hear you... I just checking... I am a supporter of this coin and an investor in the coin, long term and I will buy many more as we go lower.. but I do think we are going lower from here... at the moment the devs are not helping this coin, and not acting in a professional manner whatsoever... mocking day traders is one thing, ignoring and not communicating with investors is another. Oh really? You don't type or post like one that is a supporter  Do I not now? I suggest you take a good look back thorugh my Maza posts.... I am a supporter of this coin, but a realistic one - I knew that we were goign to swan dive from the ATH we reached- and I think we are going down more... I really like this coin- and I was buying since day 1 always below 500 Satoshi, I do think this coin will go somewhere but not in 1 month, or two months, I have been expecting capitulation and miners dumping, and I understood to a degree some of AP's attitudes... and I am uber impressed with the media coverage and I think that the legal ramifications are very interesting... besides I have bought a LOT of Maza- I come on here for a little chat , keep up with the lack of news and to have a little fun... but I say it like I see it... and as I see it at the moment I can see some things that are concerning--- I really hope that things will become more clear 6 months down the line... I have seen this all before with several coins .... I am not in a hurry... and in the meantime I only hodl, and now I just average down more and more (I made my inital investment back several times over already though) I will buy as we go down, and if we hit 10 satoshi or less I will gladly buy half a billion - so yeah I support this coin for many many many reasons ! I think you are exactly correct. I have been selling and buying back to increase holdings as well, I have increased my initial purchase by over 1000%, i'll be happy to donate many back to the tribe/tribes once I think a decent price point has been reached. I'll keep increasing my holdings for now. I think as long as Payu's energy and focus remains the coin stands a very good chance of reaching its stated goals. AP is a radical, this is a radical idea for me it comes with the territory. Personally I think there is a clash of cultural business practices/expectations. Our world has become so over corporatized that everyone expects constant reports and instant "customer" satisfaction. Gratifying feedback that is in no way in line with reality as long as it is positive & a general bending-over yes sir whatever you want attitude. You can not expect a corporate framework from a small team, it's not possible. Hopefully in the future they have a large volunteer base. Ppl need to realize getting volunteers up to speed and into a role is work in itself, extra work for the small team. Right now I think Payu is the only one who could orient volunteers. He is taxed to the limit right now. And I think with all the media attention he has been able to attract he is doing his part. Granted I think having other things in place prior to the attention like a pro website, a team to answer the communities questions etc... would have leveraged the media stories for maximum impact. Business used to be about personal relationships, I think Payu is brilliant at one on one and this is his style. It's a slower process but ultimately a deeper and more meaningful relationship with those he meets. These will pay off in unexpected ways. Obviously the media finds this intriguing, I haven't seen a coin get this sort of media exposure since BTC honestly. Any tangible momentum will keep the coin in the press. I've worked in media and I know how hard it is to constantly come up with news. If a story you have done in the past has gained traction it's much more likely that it will be followed up on. Digging new content up constantly is very hard to do. The one major fault the coin had was too many block rewards in the beginning, anything over .00000750 was instant profits for miners. With all the ASICs ppl bought any chance to ROI is taken. The diff will rise and eventually the price/profit will level out. Until then I enjoy the extremely cheap MZC. I am going to reach out to Payu and AP to make the Mazatalk.com guy a full team member, he is doing an excellent job with his site and focus, maybe some more of us could as well. You can reach him on reddit http://www.reddit.com/user/csjenks, and Payu at kimitsugroup@gmail.com. Remember, csjenks is not Payu or AP. That is the new developer they brought on board after my departure. |
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Since you are the only dev who has appeared here (well, that I know of), I do have some questions I wonder if you would be willing to answer.
I will answer as much as I can. I am mobile right now so sorry if this doesn't make sense. Most of the fork talk from people here isn't because they are super greedy, nor expect large profits from it. It's simply to stabilize the price at somewhat okay-ish levels. At its current price of 200-250 sats, the 1000 maza meant to be given out is worth about $1 USD. Isn't it going to be much, much harder to convince the tribe to take on the coin officially if the coin value is so minimal? I mean, how can Payu try to convince anyone from the tribe that $1 worth of crypto will really help anyone?
Yes, the price can go up. But logically you'd think if the coin was worth a bit more, it'd be more likely to be adopted.
The coin is still growing and in the acceptance phase. I see your concern but there is more of a double edged sword here when it comes to block rewards. Yes, there is a ton of coins out there that are held by a small group of people which holds the price down and opens the door to some market manipulation. While cutting rewards and changing the growth plan will spike the value in the short term, it brings in problems and just really helps these large holders grow their profits. As a miner myself, yes, that would be awesome but for the reputation of the coin and the economic system developed behind it, it would break the whole goal and risk the trust in the coin if this was going to change so easily. Cryptos are based on fixed system of coins and growth plan that is not managed by people, how bad does it look to suddenly change the reward and supply to favor a small group of people? Long term growth wins here more than initial profit, as it should. In time, as acceptance and usability grows, the price growth will follow. Right now, the big holders are a few people from mining and trading, there is really no MZC floating around outside of the exchanges. Same thing happened back in Bitcoin days, there was initially people who held 1000's of coins before they were used for anything and the price rebounded just fine so Maza wouldn't be much different in theory if the adaption grows and use grows out of miners and day traders. There is also the issue of the official website, which baffles me as to why a professional (or even a decent amateur) designer wasn't used. As it is now, it'll do more harm than if you simply didn't have a website at all.
Who is calling the shots in Maza land? AP? Payu? Were you? Or was it a situation where too many cooks spoiled the broth?
There was community submitted designs that all were vetoed. We also had people wanting to translate the site in multiple languages, modernize the icon, and a ton of other work. Again, all vetoed. I met in the IRC channel and talked to a lot of users who were looking to help and tried to keep them involved. Everything was vetoed by AP. One of the biggest motivating things about this project was how the people in the community rallied and wanted to help with every aspect. Being unable to help them, I decided to leave and move on learning what I did. Payu handles all the media and tribal dealings. He is the one that runs the acceptance and meeting with tribal leaders to get the name out there and initially secured the 100% support from the tribe to pursue the crypto venture. His impact on this project is amazing and I still am in touch with him daily. He really is a great person and the things he has dealt with on this project is unbelievable from the pressure from states to give up and the tribal politics and corruption he has uncovered. AP is the developer. He has the original code and plan and handles all the development on the website, twitter, clients, etc. I was told to not work on the client updates anymore and there will be no updates this year, even cosmetic, to help usability. The website and exchange was all done by him and wasn't even going to deviate from the original template even after it was cloned to MapleCoin and another coin that wanted our help, then suddenly this abomination of a design showed up. The developers role is questionable there. I provided some of the linux fixes and planned out the changes to address the multipools and follow up on the promoted merged mining support but again, vetoed. The CNN news coverage (there will be people debating this was a scam) from what I have discussed with Payu is legit. There will be some cameras on site this month to film. From what I know about big media, this could make it to the air or not but if it does, the price will go up another 100x for a short term IMO. If it doesn't air, the FUD spewers will have a field day and this price will drop into single digits with no hope of coming back IMO. Either way, do I invest? Yes. I still mine Bitcoin and make buys of MZC to hold. It has the biggest potential to grow the most this years so it is a cheap investment but there is risk that comes with it. Just not a coin you are going to see news updates every day as there is a lot of stuff Payu deals with that isn't published. |
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I don't understand the fork talk. The only fork, as a dev, that I was pushing for was merged mining (which was posted on the original announcement was going to be supported) and difficulty calculation changes to help fight the multipools and the stuck chains. A coin that should confirm every 2 minutes getting stuck for 30min or more is not good.
Block reward changes and block times that required a fork is a very poor move and was never agreed on. The economics of the coin are set and reducing the coin growth through mining and block changes would destroy the integrity of the coin and also profit large holders and miners who are only involved for the price and want profits.
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REASON - AP won't let Boxxa create the fork to allow merge mining
Not the reason I left. Lot of structure issues. Website release was the last nail in the coffin for my involvement. So who will be the one next to maintenance Mazacoin? concept and coordination of this coin development still on road and keep improvement right? AP has an will be the key holder to the website, server, twitter, and all things MazaCoin. It is his project, his initial design, and in his hands to progress. REASON - AP won't let Boxxa create the fork to allow merge mining
Not the reason I left. Lot of structure issues. Website release was the last nail in the coffin for my involvement. I (and I think: we) understand you. I saw your talk with AP on twitter today. AP seems to be wiser than really he's... He said smth like community = shit for him. SAD. Maza with fork will boost price to 4 digits. Do you have contact with Payu Harris? It would be great if Payu would talk with us, community here and improve Mazacoin. PLZ if you can, let him know that community Mazacoin waiting for him in this thread. Cheers I appreciate the community. I have been reading through some things on here and searched for my name for the first time since I got involved with this project. Found some entertaining posts and some great supports of the coin which is really motivating. This project has taught me a lot and learned the power of the community. I have spoken with Payu and notified him that I will be leaving. He is a great person and stands to make a difference. His goals are true and his passion is there. He does know that for this coin to have a value and used, it needs to be accepted for more than just the Lakota nation and adopted by crypto fans and supporters and for that, the PR and public picture for non natives need to be achieved. |
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REASON - AP won't let Boxxa create the fork to allow merge mining
Not the reason I left. Lot of structure issues. Website release was the last nail in the coffin for my involvement. |
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Make sure to idle in our IRC channel on Freenode. Also, dev team is around to help any partnerships and currency exchanges.
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