Mike Hearn joins a banking conglomerate hostile to Bitcoin yet it's Core who has a "totalitarian" problem. Stepping out of the twilight zone for once would surely do some good to your brain.
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I'm not sure what "taking power" has to do with this. Are you talking about someone taking commit control of one of the implementations? (Wlad/Mike)
Well not exactly. Wlad has already commit control of Core so that's not right. What I was talking about is something that Mike seems to like, a 'benevolent dictator' (look up the terms Hearn and benevolent dictator in case you haven't read about it before) of Bitcoin. For example, Wladimir will not implement things that do not have a broad consensus and the developers have a right to veto. Taking power would mean to disregard this, and implement what you "feel" is right. Obviously this is bad on many levels. I've heard Mike mention "benevolent dictator" of his own implementation, but I thought that was in the context of having multiple implementation options for the Bitcoin community to choose from. There already are multiple implementations. Moreover the whole thing is a facade and Mike knows all too well how the whole thing would've unfolded had people decided to move to XT. He clearly intended for all full nodes & miners to adopt the XT code base. So much for "multiple implementations"!.
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Oh he mad
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks Brilliant observation, thank you. Yes it is. That's why I stole it! Subverting Bitcoin's revolutionary potential into yet another consumer payment rail is *EXACTLY* what the BIS shitlords should do, if they seek to preserve their exorbitant money printing privileges. And Mike_Heam@sigint.google.mil is only too happy to help. If you wish to use the phrase in your sig or Personal Text (words under avatar pic) that would be great! I like it too and did just that. In bonus another special one from Hal Finney.
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Why you guys still entertaining VS ? Changing the subject I see, BIP101 is also not exponential, it does have an ending point, and its starting point will not be at the limit of our technology. Who ever said exponential = infinite In other news I guess I got banned from /r/Bitcoin for going too hard at banking shills & Mike Hearn
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And now Mike Hearn joins the bankers at REC3V and their blockchains.
"Conflict of interest" anyone?
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after all some small blockists think that increasing the blocksize whatsoever would lead to centralization to the point of destroying Bitcoin.
Seriously?
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Prolific posting gentlemen Veritas you're as usual invited to fork off and kiss the ring on the way out.
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The stress testing did lead to my old core client crashing multiple times so I replaced it with XT and then 11.1 and then setting parameters and now 11.2 -- life is good.
The 1MB block size is artificially small. Raising it immediately (or rather as soon as is reasonable) to the maximum handled by the API (32MB?) and then getting to work on exceeding that with segmenting blocks is really the only thing to do. Propagating headers fast and data afterward seems a likely to be viable approach to me. If any node can't keep up then cut them loose. Just one man's opinion.
Until Bitcoin is run on Google's datacenters? There is no particular negative with bitcoin nodes run on Google, Microsoft, AWS, Digital Ocean, Mom & Pop Hosting Company XYZ, etc. Already today, those without decent resources are incapable of running a full bitcoin node - at least 50% of the planet does not have a recent computer, reliable electricity or a broadband connection. Even if they do, they can't dedicate their resources to running a node and they'll need to use an SPV wallet or a Coinbase-like entity. Many users will contribute by using hosted services of which there thousands of companies worldwide. While many people seem to think that there's a tremendous difference between hosting a bitcoin node at their residence vs on the cloud, the truth is that there is a minimal difference. All users ultimately rely upon their ISPs, few use Tor or proxies and the greatest decentralization weapon will be mass adoption. Regulators have a much harder time banning something that has taken hold and is widely used. If Google wants to host a node or provide a CDN for the initial seed, bring it on. That was not my point. More like : until Bitcoin can only be run from Google's datacenters and every other individual rely on SPV
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32MB/10min = 447Kb/s.
If only it was all so simple I see you run a node so surely you are aware that nodes typically have more than 1 peer..
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The stress testing did lead to my old core client crashing multiple times so I replaced it with XT and then 11.1 and then setting parameters and now 11.2 -- life is good.
The 1MB block size is artificially small. Raising it immediately (or rather as soon as is reasonable) to the maximum handled by the API (32MB?) and then getting to work on exceeding that with segmenting blocks is really the only thing to do. Propagating headers fast and data afterward seems a likely to be viable approach to me. If any node can't keep up then cut them loose. Just one man's opinion.
Until Bitcoin is run on Google's datacenters?
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Nonsense. Most domestic connections will struggle massively at just 4MB average, and that's in the US. 8MB is the end of home desktop nodes in most of the world short term.
Now. I've got sympathies on both sides here; accommodating the lowest common denominator seems too restrictive, but it just so happens that the practical reality of that could mean 100's of millions across important populations like India or China with no capability to run a node. There's gotta be a way of finding a compromise between the two. Practical reality is that 50% of the hashing power is within an area that could be considered the lowest common denominator in terms of internet bandwidth. Unfortunately we're kind of in the dark about what typical non-mining Chinese users think on that subject.
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I like 8MB and holding.
Why 8? Not a massive jump, not a baby step. Some large miners have agreed they would move to 8MB if needed. Although it's more of kicking the can down the road, it's a solid kick which hopefully gives devs enough time to come up with ways to avoid need all transactions on the blockchain. I am not 100% commited to 8MB, I can change opinions on this matter. 8x more current limit is kind of a massive jump considering some users are already experience trouble supporting their own nodes under current 1MB setting...
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I qualified it But even savings in a bank is actually invested, you're just not the one dong it. Interest is paid to you out of profits from the interest they charge to lend the money that you hold, essentially a partnership. Except in the banking world, they hold all the cards. Money just sitting in a vault, as I said, is not likely doing you any good. A smallish portion, for emergencies and future speculation, sure, but overall the purpose of money is trade, and that's how you increase your stash. Think of the people who sold a large part of their stash during the early 2013 run-up thinking they had made a killing seeing as they bought their coins in low double digit.... I'm guessing some of them would love to have these coins back. I understand where you're coming from but the "purpose of money is trade" notion is simply broken economics. http://blog.oleganza.com/post/43378777734/on-circulation-of-moneyEconomists err if they believe something is wrong when money is not in constant, active “circulation.” Money is only useful for exchange value, true, but it is not only useful at the actual moment of exchange. This truth has been often overlooked. Money is just as useful when lying “idle” in somebody’s cash balance, even in a miser’s “hoard.” (At what point does a man’s cash balance become a faintly disreputable “hoard,” or the prudent man a miser? It is impossible to fix any definite criterion: generally, the charge of “hoarding” means that A is keeping more cash than B thinks is appropriate for A.) For that money is being held now in wait for possible future exchange—it supplies to its owner, right now, the usefulness of permitting exchanges at any time—present or future—the owner might desire.
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I love this thread It never dies. But of more substance, I have to disagree with the "hodl" crowd in most instances. I have gotten to the point where trading BTC is how I make the bulk of my living, and you pretty much have to play that day by day. On the most recent spike, I made really good money, but I make decent money every day. Money sitting in a vault does no good. It's purpose is trade, and that is how you increase your holdings. Longer term, it's definitely a good play to have some BTC, dollars, diamonds, and etc. in storage, but not the bulk of it. Money in play, whatever form it's in, is where the profits are. And the losses, if we're to be honest, but carefully investing your assets will make you "wealthy elite" far quicker than waiting and hoping. Good on you if you are successful trading but that one bolded bit it quite wrong I'm afraid Savings have value and it doesn't make much sense to propose that one starts speculating with all of his available wealth.
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Looks like another one of your masters is supporting Core squad Gavin is right. The time to increase the block size limit is before transaction processing shows congestion problems. Discuss now, do soon That was back in May, when it wasn't all that clear Gavin was a fraud.
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Looks like another one of your masters is supporting Core squad
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btw the recent update is a soft fork yet will still go into effect only with 95% hashpower.
Yet XT will hard fork with only 75%.
Trying to fork without consensus is damaging and irresponsible. Bitcoin was designed to prevent a majority forcing their will on a minority (if it comes to that).
I hope the contentious hard fork will not be successful.
It won't. In fact it's dead already. In fact it was stillborn child right from the beginning Miners tend to be highly risk adverse, what I suspect is happening is that they are giving Core the chance to increase the blocksize before January. If this does not happen before then we might see an exodus of the hashing power towards BIP101. Since the fork can not be activated before January anyway, therefore it does make sense that the miners are holding back in order to see what will happen till then, time will tell. One thing that I am sure of however is that Core will not be able to keep the blocksize at one megabyte forever without causing a split in Bitcoin. 25% of the mining power are strongly against BIP101 and will never implement it so spare us your nonsense. Thank you. Now fork off More then 75% of the mining power supports an increase in the blocksize today. Possibly, but they're waiting for Core's due diligence process and not buying the expedited, half-baked, XT "solution". Core will likely prevail and ain't a god damn thing you can do about it. (Remains to be seen whether MP and his half-million BTC will buy their fork)
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btw the recent update is a soft fork yet will still go into effect only with 95% hashpower.
Yet XT will hard fork with only 75%.
Trying to fork without consensus is damaging and irresponsible. Bitcoin was designed to prevent a majority forcing their will on a minority (if it comes to that).
I hope the contentious hard fork will not be successful.
It won't. In fact it's dead already. In fact it was stillborn child right from the beginning Miners tend to be highly risk adverse, what I suspect is happening is that they are giving Core the chance to increase the blocksize before January. If this does not happen before then we might see an exodus of the hashing power towards BIP101. Since the fork can not be activated before January anyway, therefore it does make sense that the miners are holding back in order to see what will happen till then, time will tell. One thing that I am sure of however is that Core will not be able to keep the blocksize at one megabyte forever without causing a split in Bitcoin. 25% of the mining power are strongly against BIP101 and will never implement it so spare us your nonsense. Thank you. Now fork off
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