-Amount: 0.03 BTC
-Duration: 10 Days
-Collateral: 3 70 Activity Member account I have
-Address: 1CRBDuT62K3NpoUTUsCzdFTn79rLvBcDyW
-Return: 0,033 10% interest
Signed message,
IF3F3mcJ8H/7VWsTFWTtTs84QXfJeM7CspC8Q1G2AV/SDmfeSi4M7/r6V2b29dHqchdBMzQK/Rrt/thUy52sCas=
I'm copperhorse111, I'm taking a loan from grtthegreat and using this account, cointtoo and NETFix as collateral on 01/07/2015
1CRBDuT62K3NpoUTUsCzdFTn79rLvBcDyW
Accepted. Message verified. Collateral Secured. |
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Amount: .35
Date Of Repayment: 01/08/16 (2 day loan) of .40
Reason: Car payment is about to be past due, trying to keep a good credit history because I am looking to trade my car in for a truck in a few weeks.
Address: 1AWvoWAkqxRobP2ndgLdhEFnURVp1vgoGJ
Collateral: I am willing to give you this account as collateral (My blood sweat and tears) and I do not mind sending it to you upfront because you are trusted member here on the forums.
Accepted. Please send in the collateral details and sign a message with the address. |
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Loan Amount : 0.02 BTC
Collateral : my BCT account
Loan reason : short on funds
BTC Address : 1AD2t852p6tgbB2PS1wwFoo6qwFSVE5uhj
Date of repayment : 14 Days loan+10%
Denied. |
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I asked theymos to check Master-P's IP log dating back to 2014 to see if there is any change to it... I suggest everyone else affected by his scam do so as well. This will prove whether or not he was actually "hacked". Unless he was smart enough to change up his IP address...which I doubt he did...
And here's what theymos posted in the other thread: I think that master-P's account never changed ownership. His password was changed four times: 2016-01-05 11:37:58 2015-12-17 13:55:10 2015-05-25 15:26:43 2014-10-19 04:07:48 No resets. All of the above changes were done by IPs which geolocate to the same general area. Also, his very first post and his very last post geolocate to the same general area. And for the last several months he's been using mainly the same IP. Based on IP evidence, these users are possible ( not certain) alts of master-p: REAL-master-p jeffersonairplane kooke MrBig sifter iflewtoday32 antonioserrano72 newflesh AccTraderALT ShameOnYou berserkerbarrage malaimult protocol332 komodovpn #yolo IronMarvel djshshajtm Use this list as a starting point to see if you can find other links between them. Do not use my list as absolute proof. It is very common for two users to use the same IP at one point or another; 364 users have used the same IP as master-p, and the vast majority of them are not the same person. Changing e-mail addresses on bitcointalk can only be done by verification of old address
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I think that master-P's account never changed ownership. His password was changed four times: 2016-01-05 11:37:58 2015-12-17 13:55:10 2015-05-25 15:26:43 2014-10-19 04:07:48 No resets. All of the above changes were done by IPs which geolocate to the same general area. Also, his very first post and his very last post geolocate to the same general area. And for the last several months he's been using mainly the same IP. Based on IP evidence, these users are possible ( not certain) alts of master-p: REAL-master-p jeffersonairplane kooke MrBig sifter iflewtoday32 antonioserrano72 newflesh AccTraderALT ShameOnYou berserkerbarrage malaimult protocol332 komodovpn #yolo IronMarvel djshshajtm Use this list as a starting point to see if you can find other links between them. Do not use my list as absolute proof. It is very common for two users to use the same IP at one point or another; 364 users have used the same IP as master-p, and the vast majority of them are not the same person. Changing e-mail addresses on bitcointalk can only be done by verification of old address
Not true Thanks theymos, this was the most awaited thing. Holy fuck guys, we were all part of a super good planned scam by master-P. |
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What I am saying is that, if we were to have a 3-of-5 multi-sig escrow address, then you would need the public key of 5 escrows, and set it up so that any 3 of them can spend funds in such address. In order to send funds to such an address, the user will need to know how to combine such public keys and setup the escrow address so that any 3 of the public keys can spend funds. If the user does not know how to calculate such escrow address, then the person who gives the user the multi-sig address to send btc to could lie and give him an incorrect address, and such incorrect address could be one that the person who gives the address could spend funds from alone.
And yes, it is possible that multiple escrow accounts are the same person, in fact I would be surprised if there are not at least two high trust escrows that are the same person.
I agree with you. I created a tutorial on how to create such wallets in electrum above. All the multi sig addresses start with 3, also, the addresses would be confirmed by any of the three people to the seller/buyer so that no scam takes place. And the number of trusted people should be high is also something I already mentioned above. Without them, this whole thing will be a total joke. |
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Well the other thread seems over-ridden by trolls and people feeding them, here I am again:
PSA: escrow.ms might be(as per his sig, and a few PM convs) willing to refund the "victims" by renting out his signature and distributing those funds
Thank you escrow.ms
Yeah, I know him personally and he is too good a person. No surprise, his good nature brings him to help the people. |
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I left negative trust.
Will remove if enough evidence comes to light (or action of Master-P) that proves they are not a scammer.
So you are saying that you would never remove the negative trust. |
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>>>The LuckyBit Silver Wallet Raffle<<<1st prize - 1 BTC pre-loaded
2nd prize - 0.5 BTC pre-loaded
3rd prize - 0.25 BTC pre-loaded
4th prize - 0.1 BTC pre-loaded
5th prize - 0.05 BTC pre-loaded
Booby prize - 0.01 BTC sent to registered addressWrong link buddy, it leads to Holiday Tournament page. |
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A number of things would need to happen for this to be a viable solution.
First and foremost, the people who are using the escrow service need to fully understand how to validate that a multisig address is correct. If the users (aka the people who are trading) don't have a way of ensuring that the address provided is correct, then the person who provided the escrow address might as well have the private keys to all of the n that makeup the escrow address, or at least m number of the private keys (for a m of n setup).
Secondly, when dealing with this many people, a new address should be used for every transaction, which means that the escrow needs to either use a new key for each transaction, or the two parties of a trade should provide their own key for the specific transaction. If it is the later then once the goods are received, both parties can simply sign a transaction sending the BTC to the seller and the escrow is never involved. If it is the former, then there each of the escrows will need to keep track of, and back up a large number of keys, which increases costs and the required amount of time involved. In both cases, there is a lot of room for error on multiple fronts.
There is also the issue of ensuring that all parties involved (eg, all the escrows, and both parties to the trade) full agree to and understand the terms of the trade. If one of the escrows does not understand the terms of the trade, then they are not going to want to sign a transaction releasing the escrow, especially if there is some kind of dispute.
It also needs to be understood that this is not a risk-free setup as a number of things can happen that would result in the loss of funds, among other things, there can be collusion between parties that hold sufficient keys to sign a transaction. Having this many people involved also increases the risk that someone will make a mistake.
There is also the issue of time. Getting this kind of escrow setup is going to increase the amount of time it takes for an escrow address to be provided. This is a problem because people who are trading are often impatient. I cannot even count how many times I was trading with someone who ended up deciding they wanted to send first to me because escrow took "too long" to respond to their request.
There is also the issue of liability that needs to be addressed. Escrows are not going to want to check behind others to make sure they did not make a mistake. It is also possible that multiple escrows make a mistake that might not have been made if they were acting alone, and none of the mistakes individually caused the loss of funds, but the collection of mistakes caused such loss of funds.
See, I really tried to setup a virtual 3 membered escrow network in my PC. Electrum gives n private keys for n people involved for the same public key. So, there's no possibility for a single person to have n keys with him, also, its a multi sig thing, how can one single person spend the funds? Second, yes, this setup is tiresome but only for once. Once setup, it would be good and going. The m-of-n network provides great security too. There are nearly zero flaws. The only flaw I can see is that if 3-of-4 is setup, then at any point of time, 3 of them have to be present anyhow, which can be a problem. Dividing things into 50:50 is always a better idea (atleast in a 4 people network). If its 5 people involved, then 3 signatures are fine. Also, all the addresses will be same on all the n wallets of the n people involved. There's no way to generate a address on your wish in electrum. It only generates new address if you used up all the addresses it generated. And also, it is a deterministic wallet, so all you need is your seed and for a multi sig wallet, you need the master public keys of the n people involved to restore your wallet. This is all you need to take care of and everything's good. But since this being a tiresome thing, the charges will be higher. It can be static or dynamic fee structure depending on the type of trade or it can be decided by the escrow providers. |
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We're called Trusted Escrow Service. Trust's a part of our name.
And that's all you got. Please man, this is not funny alright. A lot of trolls up here. This is not right. Just place yourself in the place of victims, and you realize how painful it is. If you can't help the victims, its not a problem, at least don't troll and dilute the topic. |
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I never staked my own PGP key here. Let me do it now. Here's the second link for my key. https://keybase.io/grtthegreat/key.ascAnd my Public Key is: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
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i did not read everything here, but he is indeed a scammer or simply his account was hacked or whatever?
and why scamming now when he was escrowing a large amount of bitcoin before? no-sense to me
You need to read the thread or at least skim through the contents of this 49-50 paged thread to understand what actually happened. Its really complicated. |
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Auction Closed.The highest bid was from Efelts01 of 0.046 BTC. You have been sent a PM. Please check your inbox.0.046
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No, I'd rather sell it on my own as I know the true value of my inventories. Regardless I won't be able to sell anything from my inventory for now due to the 14 day trade lock from changing my password, but it's something I am planning to do in order to be able to pay a more substantial amount in the 3-4 weeks. I don't think I'm obligated to hand over any of my assets for someone else to liquidate just because the community tells me to do so.
Leave that, what about today's payments? You promised to send some money today 2 days back. |
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Auction ends in 2 hours and 20 minutes.
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