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221  Economy / Economics / Re: [CHART] Bitcoin Inflation vs. Time on: November 16, 2013, 08:40:13 PM
So we are in a half way. If btc price raised so much since the begining. What will be it's value if 21mln coins will be mined?Cheesy

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222  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: November 12, 2013, 08:59:37 AM
I think for some people the mathematics of Ponzi are just too counterintuitive so that they are not immediately obvious, even if they are able to understand the maths. They let their feelings of confidence and trust override their rational capabilities.

Greed? Or, to put it more politely, the intense wish to get rich quick.

It might be that if it seems hard to understand why some people think that something is definitely, without a doubt a ponzi, you need to think it through from a hypothetical scammer's perspective. It's actually very easy to run a ponzi scam (the hard thing is determining when to run with the money). The only thing that is needed is the tendency to let feelings override rationality. Many people who OUGHT TO HAVE KNOWN BETTER have been scammed. Being (susceptible for being) scammed is not the same as being stupid. No amount of intellect can save you if you let your feelings override it.

Very true. But the intensity of the rationalizations kept surprising me. (I don't tend to get emotional when dealing with money.)

Look at this discussion here. Even now, when we know for sure that the pirate ran a Ponzi scheme, somebody is arguing in the direction that it might not have been a Ponzi scheme. Seems rather ridiculous to me, but that is how our buggy brains sometimes work.
223  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: November 12, 2013, 07:34:24 AM
It seems to me that JoelKatz is perfectly correct. He provided ample proof in the form of traceable citations. I only fear he is wasting his time. It might be more useful to detect the next Ponzi scheme and warn its "investors".
Code red! Someone is wrong on the Internet!

Warning the investors won't work if lessons aren't learned. We warned until we were blue in the face about Pirate, and not enough people listened. For reasons I cannot fathom, there appear to be people actively opposed to learning lessons.

Yes, if even those who already know that Pirate ran a Ponzi scheme now try to argue that he could have been legitimate, then you must be right. Somehow this is funny.
224  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: November 12, 2013, 07:21:33 AM
This idiotic thread keeps popping up to "New post..." list because you 2, armchair linguist, (still practicing armchair law?) are thread crapping as usual. 
LOL, you 2 really need to get a life outside of this forum. Get out, go have a pint in your local and talk to someone, face to face.

It seems that the recent discussion is about whether the pirate, of whom we know that he ran a Ponzi scheme, might have run something else. Isn't that rather pointless?

It seems to me that JoelKatz is perfectly correct. He provided ample proof in the form of traceable citations. I only fear he is wasting his time. It might be more useful to detect the next Ponzi scheme and warn its "investors".
225  Economy / Economics / Re: [CHART] Bitcoin Inflation vs. Time on: November 07, 2013, 07:15:13 AM
When a country's currency suddenly goes from inflation to deflation, that can cause a devastating economic slowdown, because people just stop buying most products. To be precise, they defer buying all non-essential goods and services.

Moderate long-term deflation or a very slow turn from inflation into deflation would be a different and much less dangerous animal. That may be the future of bitcoin, if it has any.
226  Economy / Economics / Re: [CHART] Bitcoin Inflation vs. Time on: November 06, 2013, 12:06:58 PM
I still think that the deflationary tendency of bitcoin is damaging, for example because it creates speculative price bubbles.

What creates price bubbles is not the deflationary nature of Bitcoin (which we aren't even observing yet); it's the fact that the supply is perfectly inelastic. With most commodities, when a speculative price bubble begins to form, profit motive drives production to increase, and the increasing supply counteracts the growth in price. But Bitcoin is different: no matter what the price does, the production is always at an approximately constant rate. Thus, there is no moderating effect on an increasing price, and we get speculative price bubbles. I personally believe we will continue seeing this "plateau-ramp-crash" cycle throughout Bitcoin's adoption. However, I do think it will moderate in amplitude as the market grows.

If it ever does. The actual bitcoin market, in which bitcoins are used to pay for goods and services, is tiny and would currently only warrant a bitcoin price below $10. All the rest is people who buy bitcoins because their price goes up, and the price goes up because they buy bitcoins—the perfect vicious circle, producing a huge price bubble. When this bursts, i.e. when they begin to sell bitcoins because their price goes down, and the price goes down because they sell bitcoins, it will not be a pretty sight.

Unfortunately I am pretty much unable to predict when a price bubble will burst, so at this time I can only sit on the fence and wonder. But I'd be grateful for any ideas on predicting price bubbles.
227  Economy / Economics / Re: [CHART] Bitcoin Inflation vs. Time on: November 06, 2013, 11:44:24 AM
No, deflation is flat out damaging for the economy (Great Depression as an obvious example). The same is not true for inflation

This is certainly true for hyper-deflation. It is not true for moderate deflation.

One example is the deflation we currently have on computer-based products. The argument that people do not spend their money in a deflation, because the money will be worth more in the future, is simply not true. If people thought that way, they would never buy a computer or a mobile phone, but they do.

Add to that the fact that human life is of limited length, so humans have to spend their money before they die. You cannot always wait for tomorrow.

I still think that the deflationary tendency of bitcoin is damaging, for example because it creates speculative price bubbles. I wish that Satoshi Nakamoto had thought of that and dropped the idea of halving production every four years. I believe bitcoin would have worked better without any halving.
228  Economy / Speculation / Re: The bubble is bursting—what a relief! on: October 07, 2013, 03:07:04 PM
Seriously, this old-post fishing is getting, erm; old.

The prediction is for a time span of 6 to 12 months, so far the typical time for the price to settle down after a burst bitcoin price bubble.

So until that time has passed, this thread should still be considered relevant.
229  Economy / Economics / Re: [CHART] Bitcoin Inflation vs. Time on: October 02, 2013, 07:27:42 AM
… And like some one else has already stated "lost coins" aren't truly lost, we just don't care or have the technology yet to recover them.

As things are, there is no possible way of detecting "lost coins", short of asking every person and every computer in the whole world whether any apparently "lost coins" are his or hers or its.

We would need new and very different rules to determine what a lost coin is, for example, that all bitcoins have to be moved from one account to another at least once every year. Then we could state that a bitcoin that has not been moved in a year is a "lost coin".
230  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-07-01 Bitcoin Wallet in Africa - www.kipochi.com on: September 30, 2013, 11:09:02 AM
I suspected that.

Bitcoin is a competitor to M-Pesa. Why should they cooperate?

Because they want to make more money.
Paypal should start using bitcoins and take some fees for it... If they are smart.

Yes, and the banks should welcome bitcoins too.

But, strangely, they do just the opposite. They are currently trying to strangle Mt.Gox (or at least it looks like it to me, but perhaps Mt.Gox ist strangling itself).

I think all optimism of cooperation by any of the old-style financial institutions is misguided. Perhaps there will be minor, temporary successes on that front, but ultimately they will try to kill bitcoin.
231  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-07-01 Bitcoin Wallet in Africa - www.kipochi.com on: September 30, 2013, 10:57:04 AM
I suspected that.

Bitcoin is a competitor to M-Pesa. Why should they cooperate?
232  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-07-01 Bitcoin Wallet in Africa - www.kipochi.com on: September 28, 2013, 06:10:46 PM
A few guys set up an account and sent some bitcoins only to find out that you cant transfer BTC out to another address.
Just another Nigerian Kenyan scam, forget about it and move on.

Can you still find where they wrote about it? I would be interested in the details.
233  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-07-08 Memeburn - Kipochi brings Bitcoin to Africa through M-Pesa on: September 28, 2013, 05:38:16 PM
I saw a couple of follow-up items recently, looks like only a few people have tried the service. I suspect that competing with KSh is the wrong track. Bitcoin's killer function in Africa is international transfers from Western countries direct to the local people, fast and cheap. Once this area has taken off then it should do better for general local usage.

I don't understand your reply. Did you try Kipochi or didn't you? Have you heard of anybody who did? Who? If not, why did you even bother to reply?

Should your African friends eat bitcoins?
234  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-07-01 Mkshft.org - Thin Wire (Hawala networks) on: September 28, 2013, 12:42:28 PM
Convert bitcoins to M-PESA. Convert M-PESA to bitcoins.

Has anybody here ever seen anybody who did any of that? I believe it when I see it.

Too many startups go bankrupt and disappear with the bitcoins.
235  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-07-01 Bitcoin Wallet in Africa - www.kipochi.com on: September 28, 2013, 11:53:54 AM
Months have passed; so what now? Has anybody ever used Kipochi? Apparently not.
236  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-07-08 Memeburn - Kipochi brings Bitcoin to Africa through M-Pesa on: September 28, 2013, 11:48:33 AM
Has anybody tried it? Please report.

A successful trial would be to send bitcoins to a Kipochi wallet, then change them into KSh through M-Pesa.

Alternatively, buy bitcoins from M-Pesa money.

I find it suspicious that nobody is reporting any success here.
237  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Bitcoin Wallet for Android on: September 26, 2013, 12:48:45 PM
I still like to be able to run my bitcoin wallet for android, on demand. It keeps running even though I disconnect it on purpose or I force-fully close it.

Dunno, but that's just me.

I don't want the OS deciding some things, such as when to kill it. When I kill it, I don't want it resurrecting unless I run it again.

Yes, I read and understand the earlier points, but some of us Android users are a little picky about apps and stuff, not to mention rooting it and related stuff. (I also understand one major reason to root your device, and that is to take full control of it.)

Placebo or not, I have my "App Manager" or "Active Applications" on my home screen. I exit and kill off everything when I'm done with them, then clear the RAM.

I don't have to do it, but ... I just do. Some people are wired that way.

They are called control freaks.

Women sometimes have a problem with their partners when they are control freaks. Smiley Seems to be a predominantly male phenomenon.

I am a computer programmer, and so I am some kind of control freak by profession, because my professional desire is to control exactly what the computer does. But when it comes to my Nexus phone, I actually enjoy its well-programmed automatisms, like automatically killing programs when they are no longer needed and when the RAM is needed for something new. I always wish for more automatic goodies, rather than for more control. There are already enough things in life that need to be controlled. Consequently, when I write a computer program, I think twice or even more often, before I leave a decision, a setting to the end user. There is also a saying that, if there is a setting, users will set it wrong.

As somebody who knows Android well, some people come to me when they have problems. One of the most frequent set of problems is that many clueless users apparently have an intense desire to switch everthing in their smartphones off. Then they come to me and ask for help.

* My GPS takes very long to get a fix. – The guy has disabled data and probably Wi-Fi as well.

* I cannot get a network. – The guy has manually selected a particular network and forgotten or never realised that he should switch that back to automatic.

* Google Maps does not show my location. – Sure enough, the location services are off.

* My compass does not work. – They guy has stuffed his smartphone into a cover with a magnetic lock. OK, that's a different matter, but it shows how clueless people often are.
238  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Bitcoin Wallet for Android on: September 21, 2013, 08:33:11 PM
… it's like they're trying to indoctrinate people to expect a narrower range of choices, all for the sake of removing a single menu item. …

Removing a menu item is very valuable, particularly if the menu item is superfluous. Android is for mobile phones, and mobile phones are for everybody, not just for technophiles.

Here are some utterly negative examples from the advanced Wi-Fi settings: "Keep Wi-Fi on during sleep", "Scanning always available", "Avoid poor connections", "Wi-Fi frequency band", and in a sarcastic sense my personal favorite: "Wi-Fi optimization" - "Minimise battery usage when Wi-Fi is on". Next they will probably introduce: "Minimise battery usage when Wi-Fi is off". None of these settings should be there, as the phone can make a much better decision for each of them than any normal phone user. They are outstanding examples of the designed-by-engineers-for-engineers category.

An app should never offer the user any choice that has no significant effect on the result for the ordinary end user.
239  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner / Mycelium on: August 28, 2013, 03:02:43 PM
The average user would need it generated for him and put on paper.

You have convinced me. Sounds altogether like a good idea to me.
240  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: BitcoinSpinner / Mycelium on: August 28, 2013, 10:26:21 AM
Also, passwords have to be strong to have any real effect (unfortunately making them easier to forget).

This is certainly true if you encrypt a JPG image, as a cracking program can easily check whether a brute-force result yields a valid JPG file.

It may be much more difficult with just the text of the key, because that looks like gibberish anyway. Even with a relatively short password, many brute-force attempts may yield some similar gibberish, so the cracking program cannot discern the valid key from other wrong results with wrong passwords.

But anyway, the password should not be too short.

Therefore the best solution for encrypted export I have seen is this:
The wallet exports a JPG image which contains the encrypted private key both as text and a QR-code (also contains bitcoin address, label etc). The encryption key is derived from a passphrase. The passphrase is automatically generated and contains enough entropy to make brute force unfeasible.  The JPG goes to the SD-card, an email, dropbox, or whatever. The passphrase is only displayed on the device once during export.

The user has to write the passphrase down, as it is impossible to remember. This can be on a printout of the JPG or on something else.
We can add a "Verify Export" feature that allows you to verify that your key can be imported, keys that have been verified get tagged.
We can add a feature that nags you as long as you have not verified all your keys.

Yes, sounds very good to me. I am still not sure how useful it would be in the real world, how many users would actually use it, etc.

I would also tend to offer a passphrase entered by the user, because there are some people who can remember it. That would protect against theft of the paper wallet.

(For example, I have a method of constructing passwords by taking a few letters from the name of the object, like from a domain name or from "Mycelium", and encrypting them mentally, before adding some static salt, which I can remember, because it is always the same. Otherwise my poor memory could never cope with the many passwords I have to remember. But that is another matter.)
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