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361  Economy / Gambling / Re: Please review my provably fair idea for my future casino game on: November 13, 2013, 07:58:37 AM
For single player:

1) Casino commits. (To everything it will use to shuffle the deck but the user's seed.)
2) User reveals his seed.
3) Game is played.
4) Casino reveals.
5) User checks that casino revealed what it committed to, that deck was shuffled correctly, and that cards correspond to shuffled deck.


Thank You very much. do You have any opinion regarding the random.org issue some users think it is not acceptable or needed?
It doesn't help you because you can't prove you got anything from random.org nor can you prove you didn't discard things you got until you got what you wanted. If you do choose to use it, make sure the casino commits to whatever it got from random.org -- otherwise you violate the "everything it will use to shuffle the deck but the user's seed" clause.
362  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: technical questions about a 51% attack on: November 13, 2013, 07:53:25 AM
Thanks, that is encouraging.  However, during the time period while an attacker had control of 51% of the cloud, could they destroy/redirect all records of existing bitcoin ownership - or new ownership going back ___ (please estimate) weeks?
The community would have their choice of ways to respond and I can only guess at what would happen. Presumably, stakeholders would agree on the scheme that does the least damage. I would guess that this would be "rewinding" the block chain to the longest public chain just before the first absurdly large reorganization. Thus, people should be able to defend themselves if they stop trusting Bitcoin as soon as they see an absurdly large reorganization. (I'm not 100% sure about this. Don't go ahead and do it just on my say so.)

Actually, this might be a good rule -- if you ever see a block organization of six blocks or more, you should consider the Bitcoin system broken until you personally confirm that it is still safe. (Have we ever had a reorganization of more than six blocks for a reason other than the system being broken?) With reorganizations smaller than that, you are safe if you wait for six confirmations.

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Could an attacker hide within mining pools or is it certain the offending nodes could be detected and removed?
If you mine with a pool, the pool controls what block you build on. You can't trick a pool into causing a reorganization.

I don't want to sugar coat things, a 51% attack on Bitcoin would be bad. But I don't think it would be the end of Bitcoin. Too many people have too big an incentive to get the system fixed.

The biggest threat would be to miners because one obvious solution would be to change the mining algorithm and force the attacker to start over from scratch. But I don't think it's likely the community would adopt this solution -- for one thing, miners would oppose it.
363  Economy / Gambling / Re: Please review my provably fair idea for my future casino game on: November 13, 2013, 07:49:40 AM
For single player:

1) Casino commits. (To everything it will use to shuffle the deck but the user's seed.)
2) User reveals his seed.
3) Game is played.
4) Casino reveals.
5) User checks that casino revealed what it committed to, that deck was shuffled correctly, and that cards correspond to shuffled deck.
364  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: technical questions about a 51% attack on: November 13, 2013, 06:38:22 AM
As I understand it, if the US Govt chose to entirely eradicate bitcoin worldwide the most likely way would be through a 51% attack (please correct me if some other software-based attack might be more effective).
It wouldn't completely eradicate Bitcoin though. It would just shake people's confidence in it and require some very, very ugly solutions.

Mining pools could sign their blocks and could agree not to build onto a block that wasn't signed. Clients could prefer signed blocks to unsigned blocks in reorganizations. One or more distributed, high-speed checkpointing systems run by trusted individuals could be set up. Path dependency could be added to the "longest chain wins" algorithm. The mining algorithm could be changed, forcing the attacker to start over from scratch.
365  Economy / Gambling / Re: Please review my provably fair idea for my future casino game on: November 13, 2013, 06:06:20 AM
Your algorithm is not provably fair. The user has to reveal before the casino has committed.

The system is not provably fair unless you follow this kind of process:

1) Casino commits.
2) Users commit.
3) Users reveal, each doing so only after it has confirmed that it has received all commitments.
4) Casino confirms each user has revealed what it committed to.
5) Game is played.
6) Casino reveals.
7) Users check that casino revealed what it committed to, that deck was shuffled correctly, and that cards correspond to shuffled deck.

If there is only one player, then steps 2, 3, and 4 can be collapsed into the user revealing. The user does not need to commit.

This ensures no user reveals anything until the deck has been locked in. Otherwise, entities with special knowledge can change things after the user has given up his opportunity to influence the outcome.

You probably should have each user pick a random 128-bit seed. The deck can be shuffled with the XOR of all revealed seeds or with a hash of them (in a pre-arranged order, of course!). Commitment can occur by revealing a hash of the seed.

366  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ripple competition on: November 13, 2013, 05:57:48 AM
The implementation you are talking about is centralized.

No it isn't. It's a peer to peer network, both the client and server are open source, anyone can run a validator, anyone can choose the set of validators they want to synchronise with and anyone can act as a gateway, either professionally or informally between trusted associates.

more like a potential scammer to scammer network no? You trust me to trust them and together we will rip everyone else off.

And difference between trusting BTX exchanges is?
The main difference is that people who have trusted different exchanges can still make payments to each other.

A secondary difference is that the exchanges can't as easily target a single customer. If an exchange decides it won't let you specifically withdraw for some reason, you are pretty much stuck. If a Ripple gateway does the same thing, you can just trade your assets at that exchange for assets issued by a gateway that will let you withdraw. You can move funds into or out of a gateway without needing that gateway to perform each operation or subjecting it to arbitrary and unpredictable rules.

If you hold Bitstamp assets on Ripple and decide that for some reason you don't want to hold them anymore, you can sell them for XRP immediately without having to ask Bitstamp to perform the transfer.
367  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why is bitcoin supply curve as it is? on: November 13, 2013, 05:53:06 AM
If due to this by-design artificial scarcity the dollar price of BTC increases 10,000x, then by definition the value of us dollars has decreased by 1/10,000. If BTC is to be the only decentralized crypto-currency and be used by everyone, then the net worth of the broad population must become devalued by 1/10,000.

After only a small percentage of the broad population has purchased Bitcoin, the price will be several doublings higher than it is now and the net worth of rest of the broad population will be devalued by the reciprocal of several doublings. Five doublings is 32x. Bitcoin has already risen from pennies to $350, which is roughly 15 doublings.
While the value of dollars relative to Bitcoin will drop, the value of the dollars themselves won't change very much. For example, dollars will still buy about the same amount of gold, the same number of apples, the same number of Euros, and so on.

Bitcoin can only capture value it creates. Alternative currencies will have to create value in order to capture it.
368  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why is bitcoin supply curve as it is? on: November 13, 2013, 02:32:53 AM
Sorry, I implied that we cut off the supply at the same time (~2140) with the same eventual amount of bitcoins.
The block reward needs to be a sufficient incentive to provide enough proof of work to keep the Bitcoin system secure until transaction fees have enough value to take over. If the block reward was too high, the price would keep dropping and everyone would be playing "hot potato" with their Bitcoins. If the block reward was too low, the network would be insecure and unreliable.

My guess is that Satoshi underestimated how successful Bitcoin would be and as a result there is much more mining than there needs to be.
369  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: November 12, 2013, 08:26:53 AM
Yes, if even those who already know that Pirate ran a Ponzi scheme now try to argue that he could have been legitimate, then you must be right. Somehow this is funny.
Any suggestions? Is there some other way to say "this is obviously a Ponzi scheme"?
370  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: November 12, 2013, 07:27:15 AM
It seems to me that JoelKatz is perfectly correct. He provided ample proof in the form of traceable citations. I only fear he is wasting his time. It might be more useful to detect the next Ponzi scheme and warn its "investors".
Code red! Someone is wrong on the Internet!

Warning the investors won't work if lessons aren't learned. We warned until we were blue in the face about Pirate, and not enough people listened. For reasons I cannot fathom, there appear to be people actively opposed to learning lessons.
371  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Any way to retrieve bitcoins through a paper wallet? on: November 12, 2013, 06:55:21 AM
After I printed out the piece of paper I went to fund it after about 10 minutes.
I went to bitaddress.org then switched off my wifi connection and generated 3 codes and printed out the 4th one, then about 10 minutes later I went to fund it with 6 BTC using the public address.
But know for some reason blockchain is telling me the private key is invalid?
How long did you wait between these last two steps? Did you confirm that the bitcoins were send to the public address? How many confirmations do they have?
372  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I might start selling bitcoin for Paypal, call me crazy on: November 12, 2013, 06:37:11 AM
The only way I know of preventing a chargeback is to force the person to chargeback and cancel it.

PayPal doesn't allow you to chargeback a second time on the same transaction.
PayPal has no control over chargebacks. They never allow or disallow them. They just happen and PayPal responds to them. Perhaps you're confusing a chargeback with a dispute?

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/security/chargeback-faq
"A chargeback, also known as a reversal, is when a buyer asks their credit card issuer to reverse a transaction after it has been completed. It is available only to users who make a payment funded by their credit or debit card."
373  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Any way to retrieve bitcoins through a paper wallet? on: November 12, 2013, 06:35:02 AM
What is the exact timeline of your actions? What did you do first? And how long did you wait?
374  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Nanaimo Gold -- Trusted or no? on: November 12, 2013, 06:32:56 AM
You failed to follow the instructions. You did not even send me the MTCN until this morning. Now you call me an asshole in public.

Go back to WU and get a refund. I've wasted too much time on you already.
Here's a tip for you -- you really don't want to look like you treat your customers badly in public. Even if a customer is a jerk, bend over backwards in public to make them satisfied. Otherwise, people wonder how many dissatisfied customers are keeping their mouths shut in the hopes that you'll make good and out of fear that you will punish them for complaining in public.
375  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: November 12, 2013, 06:25:14 AM
You can't refer to a dictionary to determine the meaning of a word? Crazy.
No. You can't. You have to look at how native speakers actually use the word. Really.

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Seems unlikely, but I'll take your word for it. After all, I can see the predominance of people using 'loose' when they men 'lose'. Just because it is widespread does not make it correct.
That is correct, widespread use is not quite equivalent to correctness. I'll happily point you towards sources that explain where the truth is between prescriptivism and descriptivism.

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Quote from: JoelKatz
Impossible conveys a much higher level of unlikelihood than "improbable" does.

Yes - impossible conveys a probability of zero - to infinite decimal places. So says the dictionary.
No, it doesn't. "Impossible" is not a measure of probability. It's not a mathematical concept. You can google "* is impossible" and take 50 random samples. The majority of them will *not* be using "impossible" this way.

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Well, no. I was not being deliberately idiotic. Are you now saying that the relative probability of an event occurring depends directly upon whether or not certain parties are claiming you can make a profit off it? Now who's being metaphysical? Actually, I know that is not what you mean to assert - but I cannot devine what it is that you mean to convey in your retort.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Seriously, I just explained it. It's not hard to understand. If the person who claims there's a high chance of a profit is the very same person who claims it's low risk and expects you to trust them with your money with no legal recourse, that increases the probability that it's a scam. Yes. Really. (But the real point was that speculating in the price of Bitcoin is high risk and anyone who says otherwise should be ignored. If it was a sure thing, the price would already be higher.)

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JoeKatz, I respect you in many things. However, If your plan is to argue that the dictionary is employing an incorrect definition, I just don't know how to carry on a meaningful discussion.
If you don't know how to use a dictionary properly, then it really doesn't mean much to me that you respect me. Dictionaries point you at the general concept of a word, actual use by native speakers is authoritative. Native speakers going to a dictionary to tell each other how they "should" use a word is flat out idiotic and flips the way language works on its head. (With the possible exception of words with which they're not familiar.) You are essentially arguing that the majority of uses of the word "impossible" by native speakers is wrong, which is insane.
376  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: November 12, 2013, 01:47:48 AM
impossible |imˈpäsəbəl|
adjective
not able to occur, exist, or be done: a seemingly impossible task | [ with infinitive ] : it was almost impossible to keep up with him.
• very difficult to deal with: she was in an impossible situation.
• informal (of a person) very unreasonable: “Impossible woman!” the doctor complained.
ORIGIN Middle English: from Old French, or from Latin impossibilis, from in- ‘not’ + possibilis (see possible) .

not. able. to. occur.
Definitions don't work that way. You can't parse them like a lawyer to figure out what does or doesn't quality.

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It matters not one whit to me that you have been able to find four articles on the interwebs that misuse the word. We already have a concise and compact term for the improbable - and that is.... 'improabable'. Why on earth would we overload the meaning onto another word (impossible), leaving us no compact and concise word to use to convey the meaning of 'not able to occur'? It defies all reason.
They were randomly selected. Impossible and improbable don't mean the same thing. Impossible conveys a much higher level of unlikelihood than "improbable" does. There is no common English term for actual metaphysical impossibility because it is only useful in metaphysics.

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As an aside, the real performance of bitcoin against a numeraire of USD is not that far off of Pirate's advertised performance of his so-claimed investment against a numeraire of bitcoin. Using the concept of the numeraire to factor out the evident compounding of BTCST against USD, should we not then logically conclude that the performance of bitcoin is so outrageous as to make it an obvious scam by your stated criteria?
I know you're being deliberately idiotic but just in case anybody thinks you're being serious rather than playing a childish game of "gotcha", the difference is that nobody claimed that you should trust them to invest your money in Bitcoins because Bitcoins were certain to appreciate in this way and that such an investment was low in risk.
377  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: November 11, 2013, 06:48:53 PM
I think you may be confusing "impossible" with "improbable". Impossible means that it will never ever happen under any conceivable circumstances. Improbable is just highly unlikely - like guessing a private key is about as unlikely as walking through a wooden door.
No, that's not what "impossible" means. That's a childish word game. In fact, that's a concept that is so rarely useful there is no need to give it is own word. I just picked four completely random uses of the word "impossible" in a Google search:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/09/10/impossible-to-default/
"It Is Impossible For The US To Default"
This clearly means it is impractical under the current circumstances. But this use of the word "impossible" is not wrong. To respond to the writer of this headline that there are conceivable circumstances under which the US would default would be idiotic, and everyone knows it.

http://www.nationalreview.com/david-calling/355981/compromise-impossible-egypt-david-pryce-jones
"Compromise Is Impossible in Egypt"
Really? Compromise will never happen in Egypt under any conceivable circumstances? Really? Is this headline wrong?

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/238710
Okay, this is a poem.

http://news.yahoo.com/blackberry-impossible-value-now-165548321.html
This uses the word "impossible" to refer to something that is merely difficult to do well. Wow, so many people don't understand how to correctly use the word "impossible".

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No wait, sorry it's still amusing - Why would anyone (who hasn't inspected every single car on the earth) ever claim that buying a car that gets 300 mpg is impossible? How do they know that? Amusing.
Because that's how the English language works. That's what the word "impossible" means.

Can we stop the childish word games now? Please.
378  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: November 11, 2013, 09:32:59 AM
Okay sure, I'll sum up by saying:

Logic compels me to believe in the possibility that some suspicious-looking investment scheme is not a scam.

Common sense compels me to not invest in such wacky schemes, despite the possibility of it being legit.
And I have no problem with that position. What I have a *huge* problem with is people who say things like:

"People who say "X is impossible" are amusing to me, regardless of X."

And

"It's not lacking common sense to say that something being a scam is not a complete certainty."

And

"Stuck in a loop: People who say "a legit business MUST X" are amusing to me, regardless of X.
It's like they've completely shut off the possibility that there could ever be people who know things about business that they don't know."

These are all things you said, and they are all foolish and harmful. Invoking notions of metaphysical certainty, in a conversation about anything but metaphysics, is an attempt to reject common sense and has the actual effect of causing people to make bad decisions. It is also, quite simply, wrong.

"Impossible" does *not* mean "beyond logical possibility". Buying a car that goes 300 miles per gallon of gas is not a logical impossibility, but it is also impossible. "Complete certainty" is a metaphysical concept. Its relevance to investing is nil. And "MUST" does not mean complete metaphysical certainty either.

That is all complete and harmful foolishness.
379  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: November 11, 2013, 09:19:46 AM
It's not lacking common sense to say that something being a scam is not a complete certainty. It's just logical.
I totally disagree. In fact, to talk about what can be known with "complete certainty" is the very opposite of common sense. Common sense is about making decisions that will almost always be right given that we never have complete certainty. Common sense is not letting scammers sucker you in with arguments about how you can't know their obvious lies are nonsense with "complete certainty" and how you must always entertain the possibility that might have found some miracle. Common sense is knowing there are no miracles, not keeping your mind perpetually opened to the possibility that there might be so that you can be taken advantage of.

Common sense is knowing when *not* to keep an open mind. Common sense is knowing when you know something. Entertaining miniscule possibilities is the antithesis of common sense.
380  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Going after Trendon Shavers, Pirateat40, BTCST on: November 11, 2013, 08:35:43 AM
Stuck in a loop: People who say "a legit business MUST X" are amusing to me, regardless of X.

It's like they've completely shut off the possibility that there could ever be people who know things about business that they don't know.

Everyone on the internet is automatically an expert at everything though.
Are you opposed to learning a lesson on some sort of principle? People who say things that are phenomenally improbable and where they have an enormous incentive to lie, where they are anonymous and everyone in the past who has made similar claims has been lying, are almost certainly lying. This is an undeniable fact and the effort spent evading it and attacking the people explaining it would be comical if they weren't doing so much real harm to real people.

Nobody has ever found any legitimate, low risk investment that requires taking on more and more high interest debt, yet any number of scams are based on this. The probability that the person asking you for money will be the first is near zero, and absent some plausible explanation of how they could possibly be that person, only a fool would consider any other possibility than that it's a scam. This is simple, basic common sense.

Simply put, anyone who sees an absurdly high interest rate and thinks "what a wonderful opportunity" rather than "what an obvious scam" lacks common sense. And, honestly, anyone who suggests that the community ought not to learn this lesson, in my opinion, is most likely seeking to exploit that lack of common sense. There is no other reason I can think of to preserve it rather than combat it.
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