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801  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Selling Ripples at Bitmit! on: April 26, 2013, 05:48:40 PM
Joel If I am a new user with a new wallet how do I get my hands on my first XRP?
There will be more giveaways shortly. But you can also post your address somewhere and someone will usually fund it. You can also buy XRP at Bitstamp, bitmit, xrptrader, snowcoin, and a few other places.
802  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Selling Ripples at Bitmit! on: April 26, 2013, 05:40:18 PM
Its my understanding that rippln will run with ripples
Do you have any cite to an official source that says that? If they are planning to do that, having proof would be tremendously helpful to us. I think by "Ripples" they just mean your MLM downline or "team". I believe the names are just an unfortunate coincidence.
803  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Selling Ripples at Bitmit! on: April 26, 2013, 05:37:22 PM
I would Like an invite code if possible, forgive me I really am a newbie, I have set up a wallet and it says get some one to send 300. where do I go from here?

There are no invite codes. People are confusing Ripple with RippLn, some kind of MLM thing.
http://www.glancingweb.com/1894/underneath-the-slimy-ripples-of-rippln

Our lawyers are looking at defending our trademark.
804  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Selling Ripples at Bitmit! on: April 26, 2013, 05:33:18 PM
do you guys really think ripple going to be big? There is a company behind this and thats unlike bitcoin, is it?
There are lots of companies behind Bitcoin. Mt Gox, for example, has a huge incentive to see Bitcoin adoption grow.

Could be, couldn't be who knows.  The way I look at it, is it's free to join and pursue, so why not?  Do you want an invite code? 
What?!
805  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: http://ripplescam.org/ on: April 26, 2013, 05:29:09 PM
Claiming that a venture capitalist is throwing millions at you for the good of the earth isnt the best way to build credibility.
Grossly misstating someone's position isn't the best way to build your own credibility.

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If your organization truly were altruistic, you would first release your source code before releasing one XRP into the wild, and then allow the network to distribute XRP's in the same way BTC does, that is for itself. From the slick marketing campaign and the level of astroturfing going on in these forums its evident that your millions of VC dollars are being put to good use setting yourselves up as the new federal reserve.
We're not altruistic and never said we were. We're just willing to take a greater risk to achieve a greater result. Developing an open source, decentralized payment system is a greater risk than developing a centralized one, but the potential rewards are much greater as well. We're going after the bigger prize. I hope that if we do fail, it will be because someone else did what we did even better.

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If Ripple becomes popular, the price of XRP is fairly stable, and there's little perceived risk of a sudden change in price, people will probably use XRP as a currency.

Exactly.
Surely you don't think a closed source, centralized network would accomplish that objective best? Do you think Bitcoins would be worth more today had Satoshi adopted that approach?
806  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Selling Ripples at Bitmit! on: April 26, 2013, 04:59:44 PM
That's great Grysur! I sell in small quantities, my prices beat current prices for smaller quantities.

why the hell people think often there is a amount rebate in currency exchange trading? there is the same price for small and large quantities!  Grin
There are fixed overheads involved in processing a transaction. A small transaction has almost the same overhead as a large transaction. Thus it often makes sense to give a better rate on larger transactions. This is especially true for traders who themselves buy in bulk to get lower fees up the chain. If you do a big sale, that may be enough for you to do a large purchase and book a profit immediately. If not, you may have to sit on the currency you got paid until you can justify a trade yourself, and that means you take more risk.
807  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ripple: let's test it! on: April 26, 2013, 04:48:36 PM
Thanks! So, once I get my first 100+ XRP, I can create a pathway and then trade BTC for XRP. Good, but what's a pathway???  Grin
A pathway is permission for someone else to hold money for you (or owe you money, which is the same thing). Your account is yours. You get to decide who holds your money. If someone wants to send, say, 1 Bitcoin to your account, someone has to hold that Bitcoin for you and you must approve them. A Bitcoin pathway to Bitstamp allows Bitstamp to hold Bitcoins for you. This will allow people to pay you in Bitcoins by making Bitstamp owe you Bitcoins.

It's somewhat akin to opening a bank account. If I want to give you $50 through the conventional banking system, I transfer $50 from my bank account to your bank account. You consider me to have paid you $50 because I made your bank owe you $50 more. If you want a physical $50 bill, you go to your bank and withdraw it. But I can't just give the $50 to anyone to hold for you, you have to first choose to trust someone. Creating a pathway is somewhat akin to opening a bank account.

Here's a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M16ZatXbmLg
808  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: http://ripplescam.org/ on: April 26, 2013, 04:06:16 PM
thanks for the reply Joel, i really appreciate it. and i want to go on record as stating that i DO NOT consider ripple to be a scam in any way (its very unfortunate that any debate gets this tag). however, i DO believe that XRP was in fact designed to be used as a CURRENCY (regardless of how many times people say otherwise), not simply as a means of spam-prevention.
There's really no substantive difference between these views. It's just a matter of what time horizon you look at and how you predict the future given limited information. Will people use XRP as a currency just because they can? Will people avoid holding XRP because they know OpenCoin can release lots of it and crash the market? Or will they expect that it's unlikely that will happen? It isn't a question of design or intention but more one of predicting what cannot be predicted.

If Ripple becomes popular, the price of XRP is fairly stable, and there's little perceived risk of a sudden change in price, people will probably use XRP as a currency. It can be held in Ripple with no counter-party risk, and under those conditions could be useful as a "bridging" currency -- because there's only one XRP, paths to and from XRP could be the best way to make a gateway's balances liquid. But those are a lot of if's. There are people who think that will never happen and people who think it's inevitable. If you think it's inevitable, then XRP is designed to be a currency. If you think it will never happen, then XRP is not designed to be a currency.

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i am certain there were MANY ideas on how fb & twitter would eventually make money (ads being the most obvious). and those were clearly CENTRALIZED networks (with a single master); ripple claims that it will not be (and its why i have doubts that the source will be released any time soonish...)
That really doesn't make any sense. If we were going to keep it closed, we would have just said so from the beginning. We could have required people to sign a contract to get the server code and used certificates to authenticate connections. We could have saved a lot of the design hassle of eliminating the requirement that no central authorities be needed. We chose not to do this because we honestly believe that's a losing strategy. Satoshi could have done the same thing with Bitcoin and sold "mining contracts" if he wanted to. But would Bitcoin be where it is today if he had chosen that route?

In what world though, in a business that relies on people to trust that the rules won't change on the whim of a single party, would any sane person start out a new system with such a huge change in the fundamental rules on the whim of a single party?
809  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ripple: let's test it! on: April 26, 2013, 03:55:21 PM
Some help please: I just created a wallet and have a few basic questions:
1. Does the wallet HAVE to be on their site? Can't it be a local one like bitcoin-qt?
You can change the storage to local. You can save your wallet in a file and load it from a file.

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2. I posted my address on the forum to get some first coins and I'm waiting (hoping it works!). The other option in their site is to have another user send me 300 or more ripples. Why 300???
3. Is there any other way to get XRP? Any exchanges?
It used to be that 300 XRP was the practical minimum to open an account, create a pathway so your account could hold BTC, and then trade BTC for XRP. So with 300 XRP, you could buy all the XRP you wanted. The reserve levels lowered recently, so 100 XRP will do now.

You can buy XRP from Bitstamp, bitmit, xrptrader, and a few other places.
810  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: http://ripplescam.org/ on: April 26, 2013, 10:26:00 AM
any good vc will require a guaranteed exit to recover their investment.
No, that would be an idiot who would miss out on every opportunity that wasn't safe. Nobody had any idea how Facebook would make any money. Nobody had any idea how Twitter would make any money. I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that you've never talked to an actual VC person. If you have, they were crappy. We're talking about the people who are looking for the next PayPal because they *built* PayPal.

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how can opencoin guarantee roi to their investors AFTER the source is released (and potentially forked into something incompatible w/ XRP).
if they can lay out a business model that allows for sufficient profit as well as an open sourced server, i'd LOVE to hear about it.
We're swinging for the fences. A long shot. A possible home run but also possibly a strike out. We're trying to change the world. Really.

I know you'll find this hard to believe, but I met with a lot of our investors. They're genuinely motivated at least as much by the prospect of disruption for good as they are by the prospect of making money.
811  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ripple: let's test it! on: April 24, 2013, 07:25:45 PM
How do I get a Ripple invite/account?

I signed up on they're website, but that just put me on a mailing list.

Did I miss something?
https://ripple.com/client

There's a "create a wallet" link at the bottom.
812  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ripple: let's test it! on: April 24, 2013, 06:26:08 PM
Weird. Well then I have no explanation for what happened. Wormhole activity perhaps?
813  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ripple: let's test it! on: April 24, 2013, 03:55:31 PM
Wow. So somehow your mobile browser was saving your wallet without you actually doing anything, overwriting your changes.
814  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ripple: let's test it! on: April 23, 2013, 11:29:31 PM
The only way I know of that this can happen is if you save your wallet on one machine while it's open on another. If you do that, the last save wins and previous changes are lost. I haven't heard reports of that happening any other way.
815  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple or Bitcoin on: April 23, 2013, 05:13:04 PM
Basically Ripple has an army of their own investors stalking everything from coinbase to reddit to ensure that their system of currency exchange doesnt fail. They must have huge chunks invested in it already and for that very reason, you should stay far away.
Are you trying to leave more for everyone else or do you just prefer to wait for something more likely to fail?
816  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Building the next generation FAST CRYPTO CURRENCY MINING MACHINE on: April 21, 2013, 07:26:28 PM
How then does the 'average Joe' at home get involved without needing to buy specialized hardware?
They don't. But nothing stops the average Joe from buying specialized hardware.

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doesn't forcing people to buy asics destroy the decentralization in favor of large farms?
No. Small farms can use ASICs too.

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do you not expect these now burned early adopters to migrate to another algorithm and start spreading the word of a better/faster crypto currency?
If there's a better/faster crypto-currency, then Bitcoin deserves to lose to it. However, ASIC-based mining is a strength, not a weakness.

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And is my math right?  we need a billion transistors and $50 million to build a terra hashing sha chip, right?
I haven't done the math, but that seems reasonable.
817  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Building the next generation FAST CRYPTO CURRENCY MINING MACHINE on: April 21, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
I disagree with your for two related reasons:

1) Crypto-currencies that are most efficiently mined with ASICs are actually more secure because general purpose computing equipment can't be re-tasked to attack the currency. Once Bitcoin is mined with ASICs, retasking a botnet to attack Bitcoin will be hopeless.

2) Crypto-currencies that are most efficiently mined with ASICs can only be attacked by people who have a significant investment in equipment whose value is directly determined by the value of the currency. Those who can mine Bitcoins efficiently will be those who have invested heavily in Bitcoin itself and will have the most incentive to preserve its value.

There are a number of possible attacks on Bitcoin based on having lots of mining power, but the fact that it can be heavily accelerated by ASICs actually *increases* the resistance to them.
818  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Ripple: A Distributed Exchange for Bitcoin on: April 20, 2013, 10:38:32 PM
It's kind of irrelevant what 'will be' when in fact it is already pretty much the opposite. So, you admit that ATM opencoin reserves the right to print money for itself for the time being, but supposedly debunk my point by saying that in the future that will be controlled by network consensus.
Don't be ridiculous. If I admit I'm capable of hitting my son in the head with a hammer, does that mean I've "reserved the right" to hit my son in the head with a hammer?
819  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Don't hate me too much, but I think litecoin is superior to bitcoin on: April 19, 2013, 11:09:50 PM
Wasn't QWERTY originally created to slow down typing speed, though? That's what I heard, although it could be wrong.
Of course not. Think about it -- for what possible reason would you want to slow down typing speed? In fact, it was created to speed up typing speed by keeping the hammers on old typewriters from hitting each other when you typed quickly. By pure luck, that also distributed the load over your fingers and avoids having to use the same finger twice in a row to hit different keys.
820  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Don't hate me too much, but I think litecoin is superior to bitcoin on: April 19, 2013, 10:58:54 PM
Dvorak isn't? Citation needed.
The only studies that showed Dvorak was better were done by ... wait for it ... Dvorak himself. (Or done by others but rigged by Dvorak.)

http://www.jaysage.org/QWERTY.htm
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